To the surprise of many, Garmin has just announced the Vivoactive 5 – which is essentially a mini-Venu 3 (both in price and features). Garmin has killed off the MIP-based display of the previous Vivoactive series, instead adopting a more modern AMOLED display. With it, the device got a massive overhaul – both inside and out, making it look almost nothing like the previous Vivoactive series.
Garmin’s added literally more features than I can keep track of, but at the same time, they took some away too. While the new device boasts a number of new sport profiles (including openwater swimming), as well as virtually all of Garmin’s newer 24×7 health and sleep tracking metrics – it loses the barometric altimeter of the past. And without that, we see a few other cuts as well. Whether or not you appreciate the gains (or cuts) will depend mostly on how much you want to pay for the features.
Both my wife and I have been testing the new watch, across our workouts. This includes everything from more normal daily workouts, to 4-hour long rides, long runs, swims, and plenty more – all compared to numerous other devices on the market.
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With that, let’s get into it.
What’s New:
The Garmin Vivoactive 5 is probably best looked at through the lens of a slightly cut-down Garmin Venu 3. And frankly, if I had my way, I’d just call it the Venu 3 Lite or something. Gone is the differentiation of display type that used to separate Vivoactive (MIP) vs Venu (AMOLED), and instead the differentiation is mostly features, with a touch of hardware differences. Still, when comparing it against the previous Vivoactive 4, the differences are massive – and frankly, it’s near impossible as so much has changed in 4 years, especially compared to that watch, as it rarely received meaningful updates.
So instead, here’s all of the big-ticket new items:
– Changed display type from MIP to a 1.2” AMOLED
– Switched back to a single size, 42mm
– Added Sleep Coach feature, including sleep recommendation factors
– Added Nap detection support (new to Garmin, finally!)
– Added HRV tracking support (at night)
– Added Morning Report feature
– Added Daily Summary report feature (new to Garmin)
– Added Recovery Time (for sports)
– Added Workout Benefit feature (tells you what the benefit of a given workout was)
– Added on-watch interval workout creation (plus existing downloadable structured workout support)
– Added eBike sensor support (ANT+)
– Added support for tracking Wheelchair pushes, as well as wheelchair sport-specific workouts
– Added ‘Recents’ quick switching between widgets
– Added more new live watch faces
– Added a number of new sport profiles (openwater swim, handcycle, etc – listed below)
– Added new guided Meditation Activity
– Added muscle map feature in strength workouts
– Expanded ‘Shortcuts’ feature
– Added ability to switch between small fonts and larger fonts for text
– Added quick-access Flashlight feature (using screen, not dedicated LED flashlight)
– Added photos in text messages (Android only)
– Revamped user interface in a massive number of different ways
– Upgraded from Garmin ELEVATE V3 HR sensor to ELEVATE V4 HR sensor (but V5 is latest)
– Switched GPS sensor to multi-GNSS (but not multi-band)
– Battery life is 11 days in smartwatch mode
– GPS battery life up to 21 hours, depending on mode.
– Price at $299
– Removed barometric altimeter
– Removed floors counted (stairs) metric
– Reduced functionality in skiing/snowboarding modes (no longer automatically counts runs)
– Removed workout animations in strength/yoga/etc (but added muscle maps, per above)
Here’s the battery chart:
Smartwatch mode: Up to 11 days (5 days display always-on)
Battery Saver Smartwatch mode: Up to 21 days
GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 21 hours
All-Systems GNSS mode: Up to 17 hours
All-Systems GNSS mode with music: Up to 8 hours
Now, what about compared to the Venu 3 series? Well, that’s where things get a bit more messy. Here’s the core differences:
– Venu 3 has newer Garmin ELEVATE V5 optical HR sensor, Vivoactive 5 has V4 sensor
– Venu 3’s new V5 HR sensor is hardware-capable of ECG (if Garmin turns it on), the Vivoactive 5 is not
– Venu 3 has a microphone and normal speaker for voice calls, Vivoactive 5 has beeper only
– Venu 3 has a barometric altimeter for stair tracking and outside altitude/elevation, Vivoactive 5 does not
– Venu 3 has three buttons, Vivoactive 5 has two
– Venu 3 has a larger 1.2”/1.4” display vs the Vivoactive 5 at only one size of 1.2”
– Venu 3 is offered in two sizes (41mm/45mm), vs Vivoactive 5 in one size (42mm)
– Venu 3 has Jetlag Advisor, the Vivoactive 5 does not
– Venu 3 has on-screen workout animations (e.g., yoga/strength movements), the Vivoactive 5 does not
– Venu 3 has automated downhill ski run tracking, the Vivoactive 5 does not.
– Venu 3 smartwatch battery life of 14 days (10 days for Venu 3S), Vivoactive 5 battery life up to 11 days
– Venu 3 GPS battery life of up to 26 hours (21 hours for Venu 3S), Vivoactive 5 GPS battery life is 21 hour
– Venu 3 has stainless steel bezel, Vivoactive 5 is aluminum
– Venu 3 is priced at $449, Vivoactive 5 at $299
There are undoubtedly numerous other tiny features I haven’t quite been able to surface yet, but those are the big-ticket ones. With that, let’s start diving into using it.
The Basics:
This section is all about the day-to-day usage of the watch, focusing mostly on the health/fitness daily tracking aspects, as well as just general tidbits like the touchscreen display, buttons, and hardware components.
To begin, the watch includes two buttons on it (compared with three on the Venu 3 series, and five on most other Garmin watches). This means that on the Vivoactive series you tend to rely more on the touchscreen for your actions. Nonetheless, it mostly works out and is akin to an Apple Watch, which also just has two buttons. Still, there are some functions that are reserved for the buttons – like starting/stopping a workout, and using the lap feature.
Roughly speaking, the buttons perform the following tasks:
Upper right: Quick tap for sports menu, long-hold for quick-access customizable controls menu Lower right: Quick tap acts as ‘back/escape’, long-hold for Settings
You can also swipe right to get to the new ‘Recents’ menu, accessing your most recently used widgets. It’s interesting to see the different ways Garmin implements this new feature on different watches. For the Fenix 7/Epix series, it’s long-hold of the lower right button. For Venu 5 it’s quick tap of the middle right button. For Vivoactive 5, it’s a swipe right. For the Instinct series, it’s merely a dream in your head – it doesn’t exist there.
That said, the entire swipe-right function is actually customizable as a ‘Shortcut’ feature. You can customize it to be anything from the Flashlight, to the Wallet, to a given widget (e.g., steps), timers, and so on. Garmin says that the goal of this shortcut feature is to get quicker access to things in the controls menu. And while that’s good, it has meant that the Controls menu (long-hold upper right) has seemingly lost some of its luster. Take for example, accessing the wallet or flashlight. If it’s not set as my one-and-only Shortcut feature, you actually can’t access it via Controls anymore. Nor customize it that way. Frankly, that makes zero sense. Just like it made zero sense on the Venu 3.
In any case, as for the flashlight, that’s here too. This is a virtual flashlight, and has three levels of white brightness, and one level of red brightness. While it’s not quite as bright/directed as Garmin’s Instinct/Epix/Fenix watches that have actual flashlights built into them, it’s perfectly functional for getting around in a strange hotel room in the middle of the night:
As noted, you can set it as your swipe-right Shortcut, but I found that accidentally activates it too often. I really wish I could just activate this via the Controls menu instead (long-hold upper right).
As for the touchscreen in general, it generally works well in dry scenarios, but like the Venu 3, it can struggle a bit in wet conditions. For example, on yesterday’s ride, it was dumping out. Getting the display to change data pages was a task (though equally, on the Apple Watch it took me nearly a minute to get it to finally accept a swipe to end the darn workout). The good news is that on the Garmin Vivoactive 5, that workout-ending task is done via button, rather than touch.
In general though, I find you can just swipe off the water droplets and usually it’s fine. It’s just trickier when you’re wet and it’s wet, then it’s still basically water on water. Note that during swimming activities the touchscreen is disabled.
From a visibility standpoint, I’ve had no problems seeing the display in either bright sunny periods, or dim-dreary days (like yesterday). While past AMOLED or LED displays (from many companies) have had visibility issues in bright sun, that’s simply not the case for almost all AMOLED displays released in the last year or two. And this includes the Vivoactive 5. Zero issues seeing it in bright sunny conditions. Note that taking photos/video of AMOLED displays with a black watch background in the sun is tricky, because all modern cameras will automatically expose/compensate for the rest of the scene, which tends to be very bright. Point being, don’t overthink photos you see out there. If you see a modern AMOLED display (Vivoactive 5, Apple Watch, Samsung Watch, etc…) in the sun that’s hard to read, then it’s just the photographer didn’t do it right. In real life, it’s perfectly visible.
With that said, there is something to be aware of: On AMOLED displays, such as the Vivoactive 5, there are essentially three modes:
1) On (with varying brightness levels)
2) Dimmed
3) Off
For virtually everything in this review I leave things at the default levels. However, in this case I set my watch for the ‘Always-On’ display configuration, so that the watch face is always-on, but at a dimmed state. When I raise my wrist, the display goes to normal brightness. And then, when I put my wrist down, it returns to a dimmed state. You can still easily read the numbers in that dimmed state, but in bright sunlight it can be trickier (but just slightly twisting your wrist a few millimeters will wake it up, if you don’t want to raise your wrist). For most people, this becomes a subconscious motion pretty quickly. AMOLED displays are *FAR* easier to read in dark/dim/indoor conditions than historical MIP-based displays, as those require backlight in darker conditions to read.
The Vivoactive 5 claims 11 days of battery life in the default mode, but only 5 days in always-on mode. I’d say those battery estimates are on par with what I’m getting when accounting for the roughly 60-90 minutes of workouts (mostly GPS ones) per day, I was closer to about 4 days. So I’m perhaps burning a touch bit higher than that, because GPS time impacts battery life considerably. It’s worth noting the Vivoactive 5 also has a battery saver option as well, in case things get dicey and you need to squeeze a tiny bit more battery to get back to a charger:
From a watch face standpoint, the Vivoactive 5 has most (if not all) of the same watch faces as the Venu 3, including both static watch faces as well as ‘live’ watch faces. Further, you can grab boatloads more from the Garmin Connect IQ app store.
As I said in the Venu 3 review, Garmin seems to artificially limit which data fields you can stick on these watch faces, especially compared to their higher-end units. For example, you have the HRV data widgets/fields available on the watch, but on the Vivoactive 3 you can’t put it as one of the watch face data fields (whereas you can on a Forerunner or Fenix). Same goes for Recovery Time (whereas I can add a quick-access option to turning on ANT+ Bike Lights, something I just can’t imagine has a huge overlap with the audience for this watch).
In any case, swiping down from the watch face, you’ve got the widgets. These widgets have most of your health/fitness data, and are divided into two portions. The first is the so-called ‘Widget Glance’, which is basically the more key bit of that information. Whereas once you tap on it, you’ll get more detailed information and further data pages. All of these widgets are customizable in terms of which ones you see or don’t see. Here’s the initial widget glances:
And then I can, for example, tap on the steps one, to see more steps data:
All of this information (be it steps, sleep, or otherwise) is also available on Garmin Connect as well, via the smartphone app or website. Here’s an example of the same info on the steps page:
Now many of those widgets depend either directly or indirectly on the optical heart rate sensor on the back. For example, not just 24×7 heart rate tracking, but metrics like breathing rate, stress, blood oxygen level, and sleep. There are further metrics that use portions of it – like recovery time. Here’s that optical heart rate sensor, which is Garmin’s slightly older generation Elevate V4. It’s somewhat weird to me that Garmin is introducing a new watch with a couple-year old sensor, when the Venu 3 and other new watches this summer got the new Elevate V5 sensor. As with most optical HR sensors, the green light will illuminate 24×7 when tracking, and will actually be stronger/brighter in workout modes to enable better accuracy.
Note that this watch hardware/sensor combination is not capable of ECG, not now, and not in the future. While as of this writing Garmin has only enabled ECG on the Venu 2 Plus, though it’s expected that you’ll see ECG enabled on Garmin ELEVATE V5 watches once Garmin finishes the regulatory process for that. Of course, Garmin can’t officially confirm or deny that piece, however, I can confirm the Vivoactive 5 definitely doesn’t have ECG hardware in it.
In any event, for regular heart rate tracking, you’ll see that both on the watch, as well as later on afterwards in the app. The watch shows you your heart rate over the last little while (and you can scroll with your finger along that chart), while it also shows you your resting HR values too:
Now, one of the big components that leverages the heart rate sensor is sleep tracking. And with that comes a bunch of new sleep-related features that launched a few weeks ago on the Venu 3, notably Sleep Coach and Nap tracking. To begin though, let’s start with the normal/existing sleep tracking. For that piece it’ll automatically track your sleep times, as well as estimated sleep phases/stages:
In testing the Vivoactive 5 against both an Apple Watch as well as the Whoop 4.0 and Oura V3 ring sensors, I noticed the Vivoactive 5 seemed to show my ‘Fall Asleep’ time as earlier, almost as if listed as an ‘in bed’ time. Here’s an example from last night, showing how these devices handled:
Here’s another night where I pulled all the data from the different devices:
Note that I don’t do accuracy validation of the sleep phase/stage detection. The reason is simple: The technology to validate it simply isn’t all that accurate. Using prosumer devices like the Dreem headband will only have about an 80% accuracy rating, in a best-case scenario. And even so-called gold-standard clinical grade tracking isn’t much higher when accounting for scoring differences between the humans that score it. Thus, as a general rule of thumb, I presume all of this is incorrect, even if it’s sometimes correct.
The challenge, of course, is that Garmin (and other companies) lean heavily on the deep/REM sleep portions when calculating various readiness or sleep scores. Thus, it’s sorta a double-edged sword.
In any event, the first new piece here is the nap tracking. This will automatically track naps for you, though you can also somewhat manually force it by using the controls menu to enable sleep mode. But that’s not required. I did the hard work one day of ‘properly testing’ this feature by taking a nap. It got my falling asleep time within a minute or two, as well as my wakeup time.
You’ll see this nap data in a few places. The first is in the Body Battery section, shown on your timeline as a little sleep icon. Then, as you swipe down, you’ll see it listed in a bunch of components/factors of your day (along with other pieces like workouts and restful time periods):
However, the second place you’ll see the nap data is within the new Sleep Coach feature. This feature aims to suggest how much you should try to sleep each night. It starts with a “personal baseline”, and then adjusts accordingly from there. However, it’ll never adjust to recommending more than 9 hours, nor less than 7 hours. Adding to that, your “personal baseline” is merely an age-graded scale. In my case, a 35-49 year old, the starting point is 7 hours and 50 minutes. And then each night it’ll adjust accordingly. You can see the widget details here:
It’ll also say a bit more if you tap into it:
And then you can swipe down and see the “factors” that contribute to this, including that nap time:
If you tap on the nap, it’ll list details about it here too:
I guess to me this seems pretty limited. Since my not-so-personal range is 7hrs 50 mins, and the min/max it’ll ever show is 7hrs to 9hrs, we’re basically talking about a feature that’ll fluctuate a mere 1-hour. It’s essentially going to tell me the same thing every day. It doesn’t really seem like there’s anything personal about it. It’s not looking at my years of past sleep data, or sleep HRV data, or sleep phase data, or really anything to figure out what might be best for me. It’s just telling me to sleep 7-9 hours.
In any event, going to something that is cooler, is the HRV tracking. This is the same feature that’s been on Garmin’s higher-end devices over the past 16 months or so. Within the Garmin world, this will automatically track your heart rate variability levels each night while you sleep, but it does require 19 nights before it starts giving you the ‘Balanced’ type message below (it will immediately show you the exact values each night however).
Next, once you’ve woken up from all this sleep tracking, you’ll get your Morning Report. This too was introduced on various other Garmin devices over the past year, and it’s now finally arrived on the Vivoactive series. The Morning Report has quickly become the favored feature of many Garmin users, and is the first thing you’ll see when you wake up. It can show a customized list of different widgets, including your sleep, HRV status, calendar items, weather, and more. You can also shut it off if you don’t want it.
Note that you don’t quite get as much customization as you would on a Forerunner or Fenix watch, mainly because those added features don’t exist. For example, you can’t see Daily Workout suggestions, as that doesn’t exist on the Vivoactive 5.
Now, in addition to the morning summaries, there’s also the evening summary, officially known as “Daily Summary”, which shows 2 hours before your configured bedtime. This is basically a short recap of the day, albeit all it’s ever told me is that today was a ‘Workout Day’. Eventually I’ll have a non-workout day. Albeit, it never once showed for me, which is kinda odd. Note that, like Morning Report, these are optional features you can turn off if you want to. It’s located under Settings > Notifications & Alerts > Health & Wellness > Daily Summary.
Finally, the Vivoactive 5 displays smartphone notifications, as well as calendar notifications. Here’s an example of a smartphone notification:
Even more notable is that if on Android, you can both respond with text replies as well as see photos/images sent to your phone. Unfortunately, on iOS, Apple disallows responding to text messages from non-Apple watches, as well as disallows 3rd party devices from seeing photo data from text messages. Thus, Garmin’s hands are tied there.
With that, let’s dig a bit deeper in the watch.
Sports Usage:
For most Garmin watches, the main appeal tends to be a blend of battery life and the advanced sports tracking capabilities. Now, while the Vivoactive 5 doesn’t have quite the same level of fancy sports bits as a Fenix or Forerunner watch, it does have far more than most of its competitors, both in terms of depth of those features as well as breadth of them. Where you’ll see differences though within Garmin’s lineup is that the Vivoactive/Venu series doesn’t tend to have the more advanced ‘Training Load’ and ‘Recovery’ type features. Sure, the Vivoactive 5 has Recovery Time metrics, but it lacks much of the more advanced recovery components or training load pieces like Acute Load, Training Status, Training Readiness, and more, found on the Forerunner/etc series.
In any case, that high-level difference aside, let’s dive into it. To start a workout you’ll tap the upper right button, which accesses the newly redesigned Sports/Apps menu. This splits out non-sports apps (like the Timer or Wallet) into a new section called ‘Apps’, which is a welcome addition and makes tons of sense. Previously you had a bunch of random non-sports stuff in the sports menu. Now it’s got clear separation. I like it.
From here you can pick which sports you want, sort them, customize them, and generally make it your own – such as defining your favorites.
Here’s the full list of sport modes available on the Vivoactive 5 at the moment. Garmin sport modes generally have very specific data metrics recorded with each profile, whereas most other companies tend to use it mostly just for slightly different calorie burn. For example, in SUP you’ll get stroke rate metrics. In Handcycling you’ll get push metrics. In Pool Swimming, you’ll get stroke rate and related, and so on. The full list:
Walk, Run, Bike, Strength, Cardio, Meditation, Bike Indoor, Breathwork, Disc Golf, Elliptical, eBike, Gaming, Golf, Handcycling, Handcycling Indoor, HIIT, Indoor Track, Open water, Padel, Pickleball, Pilates, Pool Swim, Row, Row Indoor, Ski, Snowboard, Snowshoe, Stair Stepper, SUP, Tennis, Treadmill, Walk Indoor, XC Classic Ski, Yoga
For comparison, here’s the additive sports not on the Vivoactive 5, but available on the higher-end Venu 3:
Bouldering, Climb Indoor, Floor Climb, and the Ski/Snowboard ones do proper automated run/descent calculation
Over time we sometimes see Garmin add new sports profiles in firmware updates (especially to the Forerunner/Fenix/Epix watches). However, the Venu/Vivoactive series has a pretty slim history of that happening, which is fairly disappointing. The most recent update for the Fenix 7/Epix saw 30+ new sport profiles added, and the also-$449 Forerunner 265 saw a dozen+ new sport profiles added.
When it comes to sensors, the Vivoactive 5 supports both ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart sensors, but doesn’t get the new cycling power meter sensors or trainers that the Venu 3 just got. Instead, here’s the list of connected sensors that are supported:
This is kinda an interesting/quirky point for Garmin. Just two days ago, Apple released WatchOS 10, which includes support for cycling power meters on basically all Apple Watches made in the last 5 years. Additionally, last year Apple released running power support (and running efficiency metrics) for that same set of watches – including the Apple Watch SE series, priced at $249. Yet here, Garmin – the king of sport watches, offers neither on the $299 Vivoactive 5, nor even running power/efficiency metrics on the $449 Venu 3. But hey, we get Disc Golf.
In any case, you can save sensors and rename them, as well as save multiple of the same sensor type. For example, if you had multiple bikes, or perhaps different heart rate straps.
Additionally, it’s worth noting that the Vivoactive 5 does broadcasting of your heart rate over ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart to 3rd party apps/devices, such as Peloton or Zwift. Apple doesn’t do that natively, though some platforms (including Peloton) have apps that make it relatively seamless. Still, it’s a much appreciated feature on Garmin, and something I suspect we’re going to see others continue to adopt this fall.
Now, back to starting a sport/workout, you’ll choose the sport mode you want, and then you’ll be on a waiting screen. This screen shows the GPS and HR status, as well as any sensors you may have connected:
You can swipe down to load up a structured workout, create a one-off interval workout, or change any settings. It’s actually notable that Garmin has added one-off custom interval workouts to the watch. Previously you had to create the structured workout ahead of time on the app and then push it to the watch.
Now you can additionally just configure an interval workout on-watch:
In addition, in the Garmin Connect App, they’ve got plenty more training plans and workouts. There’s triathlon, running, and cycling plans, as well as nearly 100 different structured workouts for the gym.
Back on the watch, down in those same pre-run settings, you can modify the data field configuration on the Vivoactive 5. This is true for any sport profile, and the Vivoactive 5 allows for three fully custom pages (each with up to four data fields each), as well as a heart rate zone gauge page (same as the Venu 3). This means you can configure your running pages differently than your cycling or yoga pages.
Further, you can also configure alerts for heart rate, run/walk, pace, time, distance, cadence, and calories. Which is different than auto-lap, which can be configured for a distance of your choosing, all the way down to 0.10 miles and up to 99.99 miles. Most of us probably just leave it on 1mi/1km. Or, simply turn it off altogether and manual lap instead (or do both). There’s also auto-pause and auto-scroll (which automatically iterates through your data pages).
You can do all of these settings on the phone as well. Also, you can enable LiveTrack to automatically notify a predefined list of recipients every time you start a workout, which sends them an e-mailed link with your exact position and historical data for that workout (including heart rate/pace/speed/etc.). Note that the Vivoactive/Venu series doesn’t support preplanned routes/courses, so it doesn’t send them that.
With all that set, you’ll finally run somewhere, ride somewhere, or whatever it is that you’re doing. In the process of that, you’ll see your workout stats on the screen in real-time. You can pause the workout by pressing the stop button (which will then give you a choice to resume or save). Fun tidbit: On one ride I put this on the handlebars, and the display stayed on the entire time. Occasionally it dimmed briefly, but usually some road bumps brought it back to full brightness.
And again, if doing a water-based workout, like a pool or openwater swim, the touch screen will be locked to prevent wonkiness.
After you’ve finished suffering, you can end the workout and get a set of summary data pages. This includes the track outline, a bunch of stats on a per-metric basis, as well as summary stats. This is all much better than what Apple shows on-watch, and more in line with what Samsung shows on their watches. These have come a long way since the Vivoactive 4, and really start to leverage the AMOLED display.
There’s two new metrics here on the Vivoactive 5; first is the new ‘Training Benefit’ item, which shows you the value of that workout from a training standpoint time, as well as the new ‘Recovery Time’ metric. Recovery time has been on many other Garmin wearables for some time, but it’s nice to see it now on the Vivoactive series as well.
In addition, as always, you can see even more information on Garmin Connect afterwards. And, of course, it’ll also push all this data to 3rd party apps as well automatically, such as Strava or TrainingPeaks, assuming you’ve configured that.
Lastly, it’s worthwhile noting there are other sport types that have more advanced functionality. This is especially notable in the strength training and yoga realm. These will show which exact muscle groups are being used. To see this, you can either create your own structured workout from Garmin Connect (the app), or use one of the ones built-in. Here’s an example of one of the ones on the watch:
Note that the Vivoactive 5 no longer shows you the actual animations for each workout component, whereas the Vivoactive 4 did (and the Venu 3 does). In fact, it was the Vivoactive 4 back in 2019 that originally introduced it to the Garmin lineup, thus it’s kinda strange it gets removed here to upsell the higher-end Venu series.
Accuracy:
In this section we’ll evaluate the accuracy of both the GPS/GNSS tracks, as well as the optical heart rate sensor. Of course, this optical heart rate sensor (Garmin ELEVATE V4) has been around the block a number of years, so it’s pretty well understood (both good and bad). But equally, each watch can be different in terms of how it’s implemented. Meanwhile, the GNSS/GPS isn’t unique either, though as noted earlier on, it lacks multiband found in some of Garmin’s other watches at the same price point. Typically multiband (aka dual-frequency GNSS) delivers better results. Whereas Garmin has “multi-GNSS”, which is yet another GPS term to keep track of, but not at all the same as multi-band/dual-band/dual-frequency (all the same thing).
However, as I’ve said many times since dual-frequency GPS started appearing in watches: I don’t care how a company gets accurate results, as long as they do. As we’ve seen with both Polar and COROS’s dual-frequency/multiband implementations, those actually perform worse than Garmin’s recent not-multiband implementations. Likely because Garmin is seemingly using the exact same chipset on both, but only seemingly has the required dual-frequency antenna pieces on some of the units. In fact, we’ll see that again here too – comparing them head to head.
For all these tests, I’ve got multiple other recording devices and sensors. As always, no two watches are on the same wrist, so as to not interfere with each other from a heart rate standpoint. Extra watches are either worn elsewhere on the body (like the hand if for GPS, but not HR), or on a bike (handlebars). Those watches not on the wrist are collecting heart rate data from connected HR sensors/straps.
First up, we’ve got a relatively stable 15-mile run my wife did, here you can see it against the multi-band Fenix 7S Pro. She didn’t have a 3rd or 4th GPS on this run to settle any differences, though frankly you don’t need it. The two tracks are virtually identical the entire time, with nothing throwing them.
You can see this easily when zoomed in, very solid performance.
Next, we’re gonna increase difficulty substantially on the GPS front, by going into the city for testing. This downtown business district is where I punish all GPS watches. For the moment I’ll leave this map as just two GPS tracks, but a bit later today I’ll update it with the results from more GPS units, including some multi-band units.
Still, you can see the differences here a bit between the multi-band Epix Pro and the Vivoactive 5, yet, the Vivoactive 5 does reasonably well for this section. Especially in light of the other GPS units that give it a go later today. It’s these sorts of really tough 20-30 story building scenarios that multiband tends to shine.
Next, we’ve got an outdoor ride. This is from a 4-hour ride my wife did. At first glance everything looks pretty normal:
Except what was abnormal is she decided to burn about 3 hours of that at a small 2KM cycling-only looped track (that meanders through the woods). We’re talking insane numbers of loops here on the same chunk of pavement:
In counting them up, it looks like about 40-45 loops she did here before she meandered elsewhere. Yet, the GPS tracks are virtually identical, all on the pavement. Usually with numerous loops like this you see a couple of odd ducks, but this is spot on (from all units):
Then we’ve got an openwater swim. In this case it’s up against the Fenix 7S Pro on one wrist (in multiband configuration), and then of course the swim buoy reference. We can see here it sails through this – even despite the relatively choppy waters on this day:
Switching over to heart rate, let’s look at a few different things. First, we’ve got my wife’s 2.5-hour long run, again against just her Fenix 7S Pro. While this is a relatively stable run, we see virtually no differences between the two. Normally I’d have a HR strap in my data sets, but I figured folks would find this interesting nonetheless.
Next, we’ve got an interval run workout I did on a treadmill. Here compared to the chest strap and Whoop 4.0, we see the Vivoactive 5 nail this. Very solid.
Then we’ve got some shorter every-kilometer sprints I did during the city run test. Here we see a little bit of fumbling on the 3rd interval, but it seems to recover well after that, and didn’t entirely miss it. I’ve seen far worse. It’s these sorta of things you see the newer Garmin ELEVATE V5 often edge out the older V4 sensor.
Then we’ve got my wife’s 4-hour long ride, compared to a chest strap as well as her Fenix 7S Pro. This is actually a surprising result, as it’s incredibly accurate, with only a few seconds where it has a blip or two. Often outside cycling is challenging for optical HR sensors, but this performs very well.
Overall, with these sets, as well as other equally boring sets from both myself and my wife, I’m not seeing anything of concern in the GPS or heart rate departments. In fact, frankly, the GPS here is easily outperforming other brand’s multi-band configurations (more on that later).
Additionally, from a heart rate during workout standpoint, it’s largely matching the HR performance of newer HR sensors. Every once in a while you see a tiny blip for a few seconds on the heart rate side, but there’s no major or prolonged errors to be concerned about.
(Note: All of the charts in these accuracy sections were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. It allows you to compare power meters/trainers, heart rate, cadence, speed/pace, GPS tracks, and plenty more. You can use it as well for your own gadget comparisons, more details here.)
Wrap-Up:
When I look at the Vivoactive 5, I view it through two different lenses. First, there’s the component of whether or not this watch does a good job, relative to the specs it lists, and the price it has. In that case, unquestionably, yes, it’s a very solid little watch for $299. It did virtually everything I asked of it, and did it reasonably well. In other words, ignoring the rest of the Garmin landscape for a second, this watch understood the assignment. Well done.
The challenge is how to view this unit against the rest of the umpteen different Garmin watch brands and models. I’m just not sure the Vivoactive lineup needed to live on, especially after a switch to AMOLED, and even more so, after removing a number of the Vivoactive 4 features (like the barometric altimeter). Of course, Garmin absolutely needs a sub-$300 AMOLED unit to compete with Apple, Samsung, Fitbit, and others. No question. But I’m not sure if they needed to cut all the features they did, especially around the altimeter (which kills off stair tracking too). After all, the Venu 3 for $150 more still would have had the calling features, the newer heart rate sensor that’s hardware capable of ECG (down the road), and a bigger screen. Not to mention cycling power meter support and more.
I got an e-mail just a few hours ago from a reader trying to decode Garmin’s mid-range watch lineup. It’s a labyrinth of options for a consumer that often doesn’t want that many choices. In this price bucket, Garmin has the Venu Sq 2, Venu 3, Venu 3S, Vivoactive 5, Forerunner 265, Forerunner 255, Instinct series, and more. And that even ignores things like golf watches, which have considerable overlap here too. This new Vivoactive 5 will probably be what they want – but since they’re coming from an older Venu watch, they’re going to have to make some sacrifices potentially. And when you compare Garmin’s sprawling lineup to their competitors, the answers become more and more complicated and nuanced.
In any event, I think the Vivoactive 5 is a great little watch at a solid price point, but I think it’s also another example of where a bit of restraint in watch brand lineups might serve Garmin better, or at least minimize complexity for people wanting to choose their watches.
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This is a dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart cycling cadence sensor that you strap to your crank arm, but also does dual Bluetooth Smart, so you can pair it both to Zwift and another Bluetooth Smart app at once if you want.
This is one of the top straps I use daily for accuracy comparisons (the others being the Polar H9/H10). It's dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart, and in fact dual-Bluetooth Smart too, in case you need multiple connectons.
Seriously, this will change your life. $9 for a two-pack of these puck Garmin chargers that stay put and stay connected. One for the office, one for your bedside, another for your bag, and one for your dog's house. Just in case.
This speed sensor is unique in that it can record offline (sans-watch), making it perfect for a commuter bike quietly recording your rides. But it's also a standard ANT+/BLE sensor that pairs to your device. It's become my go-to speed sensor.
This wifi-connected scale will track your weight and related metrics both on the scale display and in Garmin Connect (plus 3rd party apps like TrainingPeaks). It'll also then sync your weight to your watch/bike computer, to ensure accurate calorie data.
The HRM-PRO Plus is Garmin's top-end chest strap. It transmits dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart, but also transmits Running Dynamics & Running Pace/Distance metrics, stores HR data during a swim, and can be used without a watch for other sports. Also, it can transmit XC Skiing Dynamics as well.
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I find so strange that Garmin supports XC Classic Skiing but not XC Skate Skiing on some of their watches. It’s not like skate skiing is an uncommon style of XC skiing.
But I guess it’s some kind of product segmentation for maximizing profit.
What a mistake from Garmin, already they have way too many models and now another. Even as someone with a keen interest in Garmin watches, I can’t even recommend one now to someone who asks – its not that I wouldn’t recommend one (love my 955) – but for the life of me I wouldn’t know which one to say. I just say get an Apple Watch – which is sad.
Totally agree, too many models.
Plus there are still differences in the codebase which they should resolve – why are there dozens of subtle UX differences between e.g. Forerunner 955 and Fenix 7? This makes it unnecessarily complex to develop and QA firmware updates. There should be a fully unified operating system with features switched on and off depending on HW capabilities / tier.
So disappointing that they would take away the automatic run tracking while skiing! It’s one of my favorite features of my Vivoactive 3 and works remarkably well. That alone would prevent me from upgrading to this.
Any news about Jetlag, naps and these new sleep metrics to come to the already released forerunner or fenix watches? Or will these be considered “wellness” features and not come to these watches? This garmin software fragmentation is honestly way too confusing it makes me want an apple watch for simplicity, shame about the battery there.
Great review as always. Removing stair tracking is an idiotic move. That is pretty much considered a basic feature when buying a sports watch. Its like buying an alarm clock that doesn’t have an alarm. Most people buy the basic level sports watches for steps, stairs, HR, and sleep. Those are pretty much core functions of a sport watch for the average Joe.
I think Garmin is lost right now. They need to take a short break and rethink their product strategy. They don’t have long. Garmin needs to figure this out before Samsung or Apple get a long battery life product. Because once they do, they will take a chunk of Garmin’s core consumers like me who is with garmin purely for the long battery life.
I totally agree! Also the move from MIP to AMOLED is a mistake. The display was a clear separation between the Vivoactive and Venue series: if you like a good looking display and don’t care about always-on (and burn-in-effects), you go for the Venue, if you mostly want good readability in sunlight and always-on, you go for the Vivoactive. Not anymore :(
Missing stair tracking and AMOLED is a clear no-go for me.
Basic feature drops and moving away from the MIP screen is odd to me.
I’m definitely planning to move to the Forerunner series when my Vivoactive 4 battery life gets annoyingly short. I hate not being able to keep activities from auto saving when paused, and the loss of basic fitness tracking is what drew me to the Vivoactive series in the first place since my Edge computer tracks my hard bike rides.
I’ll miss the MIP screen for battery life and outdoor readability.
Any chance you could have a look at the recently announced Tactix 7 Amoled?
It looks like an ideal but expensive watch, I currently have the Tactix Delta (non solar)
Also they. Now bundle the Ballistics features, but you then have a payment to unlock it, which I think is new for Garmin and something that may come to other watches (payment to unlock certain features).
Oh boy. Wife’s birthday is Oct 4, and I was more or less set on picking up a Venu 2S for 290 EUR, since I don’t think the 3 offers that much more for the price difference. Now this comes out. And then there are the Forerunner 255 and 265. I think you have to go up to a 955 to get proper maps though, right? Garmin’s product lineup is an absolute mess. Guess I’ll try and figure out whether the Vivoactive 5 offers more than the Venu 2S….
A better comparison might be the Venu 2, with a bigger battery, but less features. The Venu 2 sells for $400. The Venu 2 has the elevate v4 sensor, animated workout instructions, barometric altimeter. No power meter support and no open water, so there are similarities there. Also, the Venu 2 doesn’t have the speaker like this watch. If I had to choose between those two watches, I would get the vivoactive for the better battery life. I don’t use the animated workouts, but I like to track stairs. I have the Venu 2 and I’m a little tired of it’s shortcomings.
the good news is that it uses Garmin elevate V4 (and not the new V5) and it proposes sleep coaches and nap detection. So it should come on the other watch (forerunner 265/965 and Fenix 7 / Epic 2)
Right and of course those features could be brought to Venu 2 too. But Garmin being Garmin, with their pathetic support (at least for anything outside higher end watches), it won’t happen. While Apple brings new features to their older watches every year. Garmin’s so frustrating. :-(
Amazing how Garmin can put out what feels like half a billion different watch models and still fail to identify meaningful market segments. Want a passive display that isn’t quite as oldschool as an Instinct but is visible without gestures or being set up always-emitting? Sorry, nothing cheaper than a Fenix available. Want smartwatch features like payment and the full range of non-workout health monitoring but not interested in wrist-based GPS tracking? Sorry, you’ll get a free GPS with your purchase: we do have watches that only do “connected-GPS”, but those also skip on the HRM and various smartwatch features.
The positive in all of this is that it gives their company that cute “mom and pop shop” flair that I find kind of endearing. Chances are the entire hybrid segment only exists because there is one person in the company stubbornly refusing to wear a watch without hands who is considered too high-profile to be seen wearing off-brand.
There is the 255, but I fear that it maybe the last of kind ie. $299 MIP watch with most of Garmin’s software features.
I also do not feel like Amoled’s always on is a true replacement for MIP. It’s too dim, and when the backlight activates, it’s too eye catching. I only look at my watch on 3 occasions, the watch face for time/datafields, during workouts and during the morning report. The only time Amoled is superior in those 3 scenarios is during the morning report. I rather have a less flashy display for that 1 minute in exchange for better always on experience and battery life.
Fully agree on that. Why would they release yet another AMOLED smartwatch which is basically the same as the rest? They should have kept MIP and add solar. If I wanted to buy a stripped down Venu 3 I would have gone with Venu 2 or Venu Sq 2. Garmin seriously needs to reconsider their development decisions cause it’s getting ridiculous.
Yeah, I wouldn’t expect any more MIP-based Garmin watches except Instinct, Fenix, and Enduro. And I’d question if there’s really a need to have both Enduro and Fenix lineups. Obviously, Fenix is the stronger brand.
As we saw with the Epix Pro, the battery specs are getting insane on how long these AMOLED watches can go in GPS conditions. A trend that only continues to…well…continue.
Some reviewers are blasting Apple for the minor updates in the Apple Watch 9 / Ultra 2, meanwhile, Garmin releases more and more SKUs on a random schedule.
Garmin needs to: consolidate the product lines; combine features into pro, regular, and lite versions, update flagships on an annual schedule; eliminate downgrades.
To be fair, while I agree with everything else you said (really, a lot), the one thing Gamrin is, is regular with their Vivoactive releases. Always been an August/Sept thing. Winds shifted slightly from year to year, usually tied to IFA, except the original version was MWC in Feb.
Why would they nees to do this? Stay creative, stay unpredictable, stay a conversation topic.
I’m super unhappy with where Garmin is steering their watch portfolio (I’d love to see an actual successor to the VA4 that isn’t yet another AMOLED attentiongrabber), but forcing more regularity onto their portfolio would only make things worse. Be the company that does crazy unexpected things like the Lily watch!
Why in the world would you take away the barometric altimeter that the previous vivoactive 3 included. On top of that include the old hr sensor versus the new one just released. What kind of stupidity happens at Garmin?
One feature that nobody mentions is that this watch (and the Venu 3) now allows you to set up to 20 alarms on the watch. This is up from the 8 they previously had. This is an awesome feature for me since I don’t always have my phone around and still need to remember to pick up my kids multiple times a day.
One week, one watch. I’m currently trying to find what my next Garmin could be, and I now feel I need to hurry. Just because it’s getting more and more complicated to chose the best one, or to select which feature I’m ready to leave aside.
But it’s not that expensive for them, in the end. They probably only have very few different hardware platforms, and differenciation is only done thru screen size and cases. Even if the result looks sometimes bad (the Epix is the best exemple to me : a potentially great screen ruined with the Fenix-based rendering made me return mine).
My guess is that the next releases will be the D2/D2 air X10 replacements (I would say the air X10 first).
I’ve been waiting a long time for Garmin to offer adjustable fonts. Their ad says there are 2 font options on this watch. Do you know if the font settings apply to all apps and features? I can’t otherwise use the watch when exercising since I’d need to have reading glasses accessible.
One thing not mentioned, with the removal of the barometric altimeter, how does the Vivoactive 5 do with tracking elevation changes on runs/rides. I really couldn’t care less about stairs, but I want that elevation on activities.
During your run, elevation change will be tracked by GPS, which is inaccurate enough that Garmin has always hidden this value for watches without a barometer.
After your run, elevation corrections will be applied by both Garmin Connect and Strava (if you use it), but it still won’t be as good as the data from a baro. I have a friend who does crazy hill workouts with an baro-less Forerunner and he always complains the elevation gain is wrong.
“During your run, elevation change will be tracked by GPS, which is inaccurate enough that Garmin has always hidden this value for watches without a barometer.”
Sorry, to be clear, I mean that Garmin doesn’t provide elevation-related *data fields* during your run, such as total ascent and total descent, for watches which lack a baro, even though the gps elevation data is there (and available to third party apps).
One more disappointment on the loss of the altimeter. I use it while skiing, and even while biking. Good to know what I have climbed or descended while out for the day. Getting the info later after saving my activity is not sufficient.
My vivoactive 3 music is showing its age and will need to be replaced in the next year or so. But I can’t imagine getting the 5 without the altimeter. Maybe some of the other models will come down in price?
Anyway…. huge miss by garmin on removing the altimeter. I think it will cost them significant sales.
Just get the Fenix 6 or 7 on sale and screw Garmin for their attitude towards loyal customers. They advertise new watches with stupid shit like naps contributing to useless body battery stats and AMOLED which is present on all cheap watches and was the reason I chose Garmin with its MIP displays. Meanwhile they remove crucial things like altimeter. Used to love that company but decisions like this really piss me off.
Garmin will replace your watch for free or a nominal cost if you let them know that the battery life is significantly lower than when it was new. I’m getting a new vivoactive 3 soon.
still having an old vivoactive HR watch of xxxx years ago which has
– a altimeter
– hiking/walking as ‘sport’ app
and being a (amateur) biker and hiker where the altitude is a nice measurement
it’s not so clear for me (except i overlooked the detail in this always great reference review) that i can have still relevant info with going to the vivoactive 5
i have the impression that i need to switch to the new venu or forerunner 265 as ‘natural’ upgrade
venu if i want to have the sleepcoach feature and “call” support and future ECG (4xx euro)
265 if i want to have the sport features (4xx euro)
965 if i want to upload maps also to the watch (for hiking …) (6xx euro)
I tried a Venu 2 at one time. On a run and in the rain or sweat droplets would mess with the screen. I would look down and be on some unintended screen.
Is that going to be the case with all of these touch screen Garmin’s?
I think so. The same stuff you’re complaining about with Venu 2 (a relatively new watch) has seemingly been mentioned for every Garmin touchscreen watch that was ever released.
Anecdotally:
– Every touchscreen watch Garmin has ever released has had user complaints of accidental touches from the rain, long sleeves, etc. This type of complaint seems to span generations. Newer watches have the ability to change data fields via touch, so there’s a similar class of complaints about data fields being changed unintentionally during a run.
– Garmin’s newer 5-button watches with optional touch support all have it disabled for activities by default. (*)
– The same 5-button watches with optional touch also completely disable touch on the pause menu. This is unsurprising, as touchscreen watch users have complained for years about accidentally saving or discarding their activity due to phantom/accidental touches. (*)
I think touch is great, especially for maps (and especially because newer Garmin watches have very poor UX when panning the map with buttons, including the 945 LTE which lacks touch :/), but I would never buy a running watch which *requires* touch. Just my 2 cents.
(*) IMO, if accidental touches weren’t an issue, then Garmin wouldn’t disable touch by default for activities, and they wouldn’t completely disable touch for the pause menu. The latter decision can’t be explained away by saying “maybe 5-button watch users just don’t like touch for some reason.”
Having said all of that, I have a 955 with optional touch and I love touch for the map, the settings, and everything but activities.
At least on the Vìvoactive 4, you can start an activity, and then lock the screen manually by long pressing the upper button and selecting the lock symbol. Whenever you touch the screen, the lock symbol will appear briefly and nothing more happens. You need to long press the upper button, to unlock the watch. That should solve that problem. But of course, I don’t know if that will also work on the Vívoactive 5, given how much they have changed it (to the worse).
It boogles my mind why companies keep on insisting on putting out sports tech with only or mainly touchscreens.
They *know* accidental touches or liquids *will* happen. And they *know* that there are no software bodges that will reliably prevent them. They *know* that’s an inherent limitation of capacitive touchscreen technology.
Actually, I have never had a problem with my Vivoactive 4s – and I have been using it for cycling in heavy rain and even hail. I haven’t even locked the screen – which you totally can do to prevent any potential issues.
Touchscreen for me is a must. I also wear that watch all day, not just for sports. And especially for Garmin Pay, it is so much easier to type in the PIN using a touch screen than using the keys.
The only issue I am having again and again is that the activity is automatically terminated after a too long pause – when I forget to interrupt the pause before that happens. But this has nothing to do with the touchscreen.
“It boogles my mind why companies keep on insisting on putting out sports tech with only or mainly touchscreens.”
Same reason Garmin’s going all-in on AMOLED: touchscreens are cool, physical buttons aren’t. It’s been this way for 10+ years now. There’s also tangible UX benefits for things like panning the map, navigating settings and entering text or a PIN.
I wouldn’t buy a Forerunner which couldn’t be used without touch, but I also don’t see Apple ever releasing which can be operated only with physical controls.
I was about to purchase this one for my gf who currently has a Garmin 645 Music (that I bought her 3 years ago or so). But just saw that they remove the barometric altimeter on VivoActive 5. Thats a real bummer…
Thanks for the quick and thorough review. I just upgraded from Vivoactive 3 to Vivoactive 4 (at a very good price.) I was assuming if they were going to announce the Vivoactive 5 it would have happened right after labor day. Nonetheless, I have no regrets. A lot of the VivoActive 5 features don’t matter to me and I like the always on MIP display on the Vivoactive 4. I also like to see my stair count!
I have a VA4 and I don’t know if I see much that is compelling for me to upgrade to the VA5. AMOLED displays are beautiful, but the times I have tried them out, I have found that I miss always on.
As I expect a segment of potential VA5 customers are current VA4/3 owners, a separate comparison run/bike of VA5 vs. VA4 in GPS and heart rate tracking would have been interesting to see if/how much things have improved.
“For example, you have the HRV data widgets/fields available on the watch, but on the Vivoactive 3 you can’t put it as one of the watch face data fields (whereas you can on a Forerunner or Fenix).”
I’ve always liked the Vivoactive line (currently in the 4), but I’m to the point now that I hate the touchscreen. As a triathlete that watch does what I need it to, but my wife has the FR 245 and it seems to do everything she needs too. This watch looks nice, but I think I’ll be looking at a different model.
Hi!
Is there any gadget etc. to get around the lack of a barometer? Or do I get more value for my money if I buy the Venu sq 2 which is sold at half the price compared to the Vivoactive 5? I would consider Venu 3 but the price cap is over 200 euros in my country. What about Polar Ignite 3 vs Vivoactive 5 which one is better?
I am mainly a gym-goer who occasionally plays badminton and padel and I am mainly interested in recovery, overall health, and tracking stress, pulse, and sleeping. what watch do you recommend?
You could still get the Vivoactive 4, which is not expensive and has a barometer. It does not support GPS tracking for outdoor swimming, though. If that’s important, you need to get a more expensive model.
Thank you for the answer! The Vivoactive 4 is one of the ones I’ve been thinking about but what do you think of the Venu 2 plus model? Vivoactive 4 is quite old model and Venu 2 plus is only 70 euros more expensive than Vivoactive 5 and it a lot newer model and and has barometer.
Depends on your display preference. If you like an always-on display that’s easy to read in direct sunlight (but less so when it’s darker), the Venue with it’s OLED display is not for you. Otherwise, I don’t see why you should not go with the Venue. My wife has one and never complained about the display. I still prefer the MIP display of the Vivoactive 4. Different preferences and priorities :)
Was ready to buy this and switch to Garmin from Apple Watch, but it doesn’t support the ant+ FE-c (fitness equipment) profile so that’s a deal breaker. Can’t connect this to my rowing machine nor my spin bike. What’s the point of having sport profiles without supporting basic sensors? Lame.
Dear Ray!
Thank’s again for this detailed and impartial review!! I got one question: This watch and the Venu 3 are the first “Smartwatches” from Garmin, who support “Open Water swimming”. Do you think, that they are good choices for a Triathlon?
Thanks in advance, Konrad
I love your site and looking for a watch that meets my needs. I have been in triathlons since 2006 but now I’m 77 yrs. and can’t do as much but want to track HR, download to garmin connect then to TP. I have heart issues so need that tracking and I’m trying to stay mostly in zone to and not obsess so much about statistics. I walk, swim bike and play pickleball, also light weight training. I like this vivoactive watch cause it looks nice. Will it work for me?
Good day DC, I’m literally defeated by the amount of work you put into every single post. It’s so inspiring. I also write about smartwatches and I’m very curious how you create those HR comparisons. I have attached an image. I will really appreciate if you can show me. Regards.
So I heard a lot about Garmins great customer service…had a problem with the V5 which they tried to resolve with a factory reset. That didn’t really work and sent them an example of a session where the v5 recorded that despite me increasing my effort in the last part of a run….my heart rate actually dropped.
Received this reply. ….quite right…the watch is **** for HR…go buy a chest monitor instead.
An amazingly thorough analysis. Exactly what I was looking for as I received this watch as a gift and wanted to make sure it had all the features that I needed and that it’s accuracy was reliable. After reading this article, I feel comfortable that this watch will suit me just fine. Thank you so much for your thorough research
I dislike the artificial limitations (e.g. max of 4 data fields) they make because of the different product lines. It would be much nicer for consumers if Garmin had fewer models with less discrepancies between the features.
Have just received a new watch, Software is up to date — Version 10.20
Trying to set display as suggested – always on dim, brightening after gesture. Has the behaviour changed since your review? The display is always blank until I move my wrist
Settings:
System:
Display:
Large Fonts: Off
Brightness: Low
General Use: Timeout: Short Always On: On Gesture: On Sensitivity: High
I haven’t been able to get my Vivoactive 5 to send HR data to my Garmin 510. Am I missing something or is this a gap in functionality? Thanks in advance for insights here!
My Vivoactive 4s has just given up the ghost after only 3 years following a short sea swim. Garmin Exchange are offering the Vivoactive 5 as a replacement for £142 (GBP) which seems OK, though I would have expected longer than 3 years lifetime from my failed watch. I’ve decided to go with this. I didn’t find the barometric altimeter accurate (compared with OS maps and a very old Edge 800 which is still going strong). I will miss the Stairs widget (even though it wasn’t accurate) but I can’t justify the price of a new Venu 3 for that. I will find the Open Water Swim useful; so swings and roundabouts.
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Nap detection, finally! Do you know if this (and/or sleep coach) will come to other watches? E.g. Forerunner series or Fenix?
Typo in third paragraph:
Both myself and myself
Which should be, I assume, “both my wife and I…” to avoid the all-too-common misuse of the reflexive pronoun (sorry, that’s a pet peeve of mine).
Mine too! There seems to be an ever-increasing use of the word to make myself look more intelligent, which is somewhat ironic :D
Small typo I think
“Both myself and myself have been testing”
Maybe Tyler Durden helped out on this test?
I find so strange that Garmin supports XC Classic Skiing but not XC Skate Skiing on some of their watches. It’s not like skate skiing is an uncommon style of XC skiing.
But I guess it’s some kind of product segmentation for maximizing profit.
What a mistake from Garmin, already they have way too many models and now another. Even as someone with a keen interest in Garmin watches, I can’t even recommend one now to someone who asks – its not that I wouldn’t recommend one (love my 955) – but for the life of me I wouldn’t know which one to say. I just say get an Apple Watch – which is sad.
Totally agree, too many models.
Plus there are still differences in the codebase which they should resolve – why are there dozens of subtle UX differences between e.g. Forerunner 955 and Fenix 7? This makes it unnecessarily complex to develop and QA firmware updates. There should be a fully unified operating system with features switched on and off depending on HW capabilities / tier.
But that would be the completely wrong answer if they don’t have an iPhone.
If you tell people who want to do sport and have a good watch to just get an Apple watch, you are a bad friend 😂 Sorry, but it’s true.
So disappointing that they would take away the automatic run tracking while skiing! It’s one of my favorite features of my Vivoactive 3 and works remarkably well. That alone would prevent me from upgrading to this.
Any news about Jetlag, naps and these new sleep metrics to come to the already released forerunner or fenix watches? Or will these be considered “wellness” features and not come to these watches? This garmin software fragmentation is honestly way too confusing it makes me want an apple watch for simplicity, shame about the battery there.
Great review as always. Removing stair tracking is an idiotic move. That is pretty much considered a basic feature when buying a sports watch. Its like buying an alarm clock that doesn’t have an alarm. Most people buy the basic level sports watches for steps, stairs, HR, and sleep. Those are pretty much core functions of a sport watch for the average Joe.
I think Garmin is lost right now. They need to take a short break and rethink their product strategy. They don’t have long. Garmin needs to figure this out before Samsung or Apple get a long battery life product. Because once they do, they will take a chunk of Garmin’s core consumers like me who is with garmin purely for the long battery life.
I totally agree! Also the move from MIP to AMOLED is a mistake. The display was a clear separation between the Vivoactive and Venue series: if you like a good looking display and don’t care about always-on (and burn-in-effects), you go for the Venue, if you mostly want good readability in sunlight and always-on, you go for the Vivoactive. Not anymore :(
Missing stair tracking and AMOLED is a clear no-go for me.
Basic feature drops and moving away from the MIP screen is odd to me.
I’m definitely planning to move to the Forerunner series when my Vivoactive 4 battery life gets annoyingly short. I hate not being able to keep activities from auto saving when paused, and the loss of basic fitness tracking is what drew me to the Vivoactive series in the first place since my Edge computer tracks my hard bike rides.
I’ll miss the MIP screen for battery life and outdoor readability.
Hi DCR,
Any chance you could have a look at the recently announced Tactix 7 Amoled?
It looks like an ideal but expensive watch, I currently have the Tactix Delta (non solar)
Also they. Now bundle the Ballistics features, but you then have a payment to unlock it, which I think is new for Garmin and something that may come to other watches (payment to unlock certain features).
Hm! Is the Vivoactive 5 the round version of Venu SQ3?
Hi,
I was unable to obtain benchmark result for Venu 3 on the Garmin forum.
Can you provide me the VA5 results ?
Tools
3D Benchmark – link to apps.garmin.com
Connect IQ Benchmark – link to apps.garmin.com
Venu 3 Forum Request
https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/healthandwellness/f/venu-3-series/345675/benchmark—venu-3-series
Thanks
Oh boy. Wife’s birthday is Oct 4, and I was more or less set on picking up a Venu 2S for 290 EUR, since I don’t think the 3 offers that much more for the price difference. Now this comes out. And then there are the Forerunner 255 and 265. I think you have to go up to a 955 to get proper maps though, right? Garmin’s product lineup is an absolute mess. Guess I’ll try and figure out whether the Vivoactive 5 offers more than the Venu 2S….
A better comparison might be the Venu 2, with a bigger battery, but less features. The Venu 2 sells for $400. The Venu 2 has the elevate v4 sensor, animated workout instructions, barometric altimeter. No power meter support and no open water, so there are similarities there. Also, the Venu 2 doesn’t have the speaker like this watch. If I had to choose between those two watches, I would get the vivoactive for the better battery life. I don’t use the animated workouts, but I like to track stairs. I have the Venu 2 and I’m a little tired of it’s shortcomings.
the good news is that it uses Garmin elevate V4 (and not the new V5) and it proposes sleep coaches and nap detection. So it should come on the other watch (forerunner 265/965 and Fenix 7 / Epic 2)
Right and of course those features could be brought to Venu 2 too. But Garmin being Garmin, with their pathetic support (at least for anything outside higher end watches), it won’t happen. While Apple brings new features to their older watches every year. Garmin’s so frustrating. :-(
Amazing how Garmin can put out what feels like half a billion different watch models and still fail to identify meaningful market segments. Want a passive display that isn’t quite as oldschool as an Instinct but is visible without gestures or being set up always-emitting? Sorry, nothing cheaper than a Fenix available. Want smartwatch features like payment and the full range of non-workout health monitoring but not interested in wrist-based GPS tracking? Sorry, you’ll get a free GPS with your purchase: we do have watches that only do “connected-GPS”, but those also skip on the HRM and various smartwatch features.
The positive in all of this is that it gives their company that cute “mom and pop shop” flair that I find kind of endearing. Chances are the entire hybrid segment only exists because there is one person in the company stubbornly refusing to wear a watch without hands who is considered too high-profile to be seen wearing off-brand.
There is the 255, but I fear that it maybe the last of kind ie. $299 MIP watch with most of Garmin’s software features.
I also do not feel like Amoled’s always on is a true replacement for MIP. It’s too dim, and when the backlight activates, it’s too eye catching. I only look at my watch on 3 occasions, the watch face for time/datafields, during workouts and during the morning report. The only time Amoled is superior in those 3 scenarios is during the morning report. I rather have a less flashy display for that 1 minute in exchange for better always on experience and battery life.
Fully agree on that. Why would they release yet another AMOLED smartwatch which is basically the same as the rest? They should have kept MIP and add solar. If I wanted to buy a stripped down Venu 3 I would have gone with Venu 2 or Venu Sq 2. Garmin seriously needs to reconsider their development decisions cause it’s getting ridiculous.
Yeah, I wouldn’t expect any more MIP-based Garmin watches except Instinct, Fenix, and Enduro. And I’d question if there’s really a need to have both Enduro and Fenix lineups. Obviously, Fenix is the stronger brand.
As we saw with the Epix Pro, the battery specs are getting insane on how long these AMOLED watches can go in GPS conditions. A trend that only continues to…well…continue.
Some reviewers are blasting Apple for the minor updates in the Apple Watch 9 / Ultra 2, meanwhile, Garmin releases more and more SKUs on a random schedule.
Garmin needs to: consolidate the product lines; combine features into pro, regular, and lite versions, update flagships on an annual schedule; eliminate downgrades.
“SKUs on a random schedule.”
To be fair, while I agree with everything else you said (really, a lot), the one thing Gamrin is, is regular with their Vivoactive releases. Always been an August/Sept thing. Winds shifted slightly from year to year, usually tied to IFA, except the original version was MWC in Feb.
Why would they nees to do this? Stay creative, stay unpredictable, stay a conversation topic.
I’m super unhappy with where Garmin is steering their watch portfolio (I’d love to see an actual successor to the VA4 that isn’t yet another AMOLED attentiongrabber), but forcing more regularity onto their portfolio would only make things worse. Be the company that does crazy unexpected things like the Lily watch!
Why in the world would you take away the barometric altimeter that the previous vivoactive 3 included. On top of that include the old hr sensor versus the new one just released. What kind of stupidity happens at Garmin?
The VA5 is not yet in the product comparison table? thx!
It’ll get there when I sleep from last night. ;)
One feature that nobody mentions is that this watch (and the Venu 3) now allows you to set up to 20 alarms on the watch. This is up from the 8 they previously had. This is an awesome feature for me since I don’t always have my phone around and still need to remember to pick up my kids multiple times a day.
One week, one watch. I’m currently trying to find what my next Garmin could be, and I now feel I need to hurry. Just because it’s getting more and more complicated to chose the best one, or to select which feature I’m ready to leave aside.
But it’s not that expensive for them, in the end. They probably only have very few different hardware platforms, and differenciation is only done thru screen size and cases. Even if the result looks sometimes bad (the Epix is the best exemple to me : a potentially great screen ruined with the Fenix-based rendering made me return mine).
My guess is that the next releases will be the D2/D2 air X10 replacements (I would say the air X10 first).
I’ve been waiting a long time for Garmin to offer adjustable fonts. Their ad says there are 2 font options on this watch. Do you know if the font settings apply to all apps and features? I can’t otherwise use the watch when exercising since I’d need to have reading glasses accessible.
any hope of Garmin adding Lte to any of these – seems like the last missing piece, especially when you can leave the phone at home and just train….
With Ray I couldn’t decide if it was a typo or his dry sense of humor. He later talks about his wife using the watch so I decided it was a typo.
One thing not mentioned, with the removal of the barometric altimeter, how does the Vivoactive 5 do with tracking elevation changes on runs/rides. I really couldn’t care less about stairs, but I want that elevation on activities.
During your run, elevation change will be tracked by GPS, which is inaccurate enough that Garmin has always hidden this value for watches without a barometer.
After your run, elevation corrections will be applied by both Garmin Connect and Strava (if you use it), but it still won’t be as good as the data from a baro. I have a friend who does crazy hill workouts with an baro-less Forerunner and he always complains the elevation gain is wrong.
This Reddit comment explains it pretty well:
link to reddit.com
“During your run, elevation change will be tracked by GPS, which is inaccurate enough that Garmin has always hidden this value for watches without a barometer.”
Sorry, to be clear, I mean that Garmin doesn’t provide elevation-related *data fields* during your run, such as total ascent and total descent, for watches which lack a baro, even though the gps elevation data is there (and available to third party apps).
For windsurfing I need exact 1.000 second datalogging or faster in gps track exports. Has Garmin finally fixed this in the Vivoactive/Venu series ?
One more disappointment on the loss of the altimeter. I use it while skiing, and even while biking. Good to know what I have climbed or descended while out for the day. Getting the info later after saving my activity is not sufficient.
My vivoactive 3 music is showing its age and will need to be replaced in the next year or so. But I can’t imagine getting the 5 without the altimeter. Maybe some of the other models will come down in price?
Anyway…. huge miss by garmin on removing the altimeter. I think it will cost them significant sales.
Just get the Fenix 6 or 7 on sale and screw Garmin for their attitude towards loyal customers. They advertise new watches with stupid shit like naps contributing to useless body battery stats and AMOLED which is present on all cheap watches and was the reason I chose Garmin with its MIP displays. Meanwhile they remove crucial things like altimeter. Used to love that company but decisions like this really piss me off.
Garmin will replace your watch for free or a nominal cost if you let them know that the battery life is significantly lower than when it was new. I’m getting a new vivoactive 3 soon.
I have no idea which watch to get this or the venu 3…
Does it have maps and music?
still having an old vivoactive HR watch of xxxx years ago which has
– a altimeter
– hiking/walking as ‘sport’ app
and being a (amateur) biker and hiker where the altitude is a nice measurement
it’s not so clear for me (except i overlooked the detail in this always great reference review) that i can have still relevant info with going to the vivoactive 5
i have the impression that i need to switch to the new venu or forerunner 265 as ‘natural’ upgrade
venu if i want to have the sleepcoach feature and “call” support and future ECG (4xx euro)
265 if i want to have the sport features (4xx euro)
965 if i want to upload maps also to the watch (for hiking …) (6xx euro)
The touch screen and rain or sweat.
I tried a Venu 2 at one time. On a run and in the rain or sweat droplets would mess with the screen. I would look down and be on some unintended screen.
Is that going to be the case with all of these touch screen Garmin’s?
I think so. The same stuff you’re complaining about with Venu 2 (a relatively new watch) has seemingly been mentioned for every Garmin touchscreen watch that was ever released.
Anecdotally:
– Every touchscreen watch Garmin has ever released has had user complaints of accidental touches from the rain, long sleeves, etc. This type of complaint seems to span generations. Newer watches have the ability to change data fields via touch, so there’s a similar class of complaints about data fields being changed unintentionally during a run.
– Garmin’s newer 5-button watches with optional touch support all have it disabled for activities by default. (*)
– The same 5-button watches with optional touch also completely disable touch on the pause menu. This is unsurprising, as touchscreen watch users have complained for years about accidentally saving or discarding their activity due to phantom/accidental touches. (*)
I think touch is great, especially for maps (and especially because newer Garmin watches have very poor UX when panning the map with buttons, including the 945 LTE which lacks touch :/), but I would never buy a running watch which *requires* touch. Just my 2 cents.
(*) IMO, if accidental touches weren’t an issue, then Garmin wouldn’t disable touch by default for activities, and they wouldn’t completely disable touch for the pause menu. The latter decision can’t be explained away by saying “maybe 5-button watch users just don’t like touch for some reason.”
Having said all of that, I have a 955 with optional touch and I love touch for the map, the settings, and everything but activities.
At least on the Vìvoactive 4, you can start an activity, and then lock the screen manually by long pressing the upper button and selecting the lock symbol. Whenever you touch the screen, the lock symbol will appear briefly and nothing more happens. You need to long press the upper button, to unlock the watch. That should solve that problem. But of course, I don’t know if that will also work on the Vívoactive 5, given how much they have changed it (to the worse).
It boogles my mind why companies keep on insisting on putting out sports tech with only or mainly touchscreens.
They *know* accidental touches or liquids *will* happen. And they *know* that there are no software bodges that will reliably prevent them. They *know* that’s an inherent limitation of capacitive touchscreen technology.
And yet they *still* do it.
Lunacy!
Actually, I have never had a problem with my Vivoactive 4s – and I have been using it for cycling in heavy rain and even hail. I haven’t even locked the screen – which you totally can do to prevent any potential issues.
Touchscreen for me is a must. I also wear that watch all day, not just for sports. And especially for Garmin Pay, it is so much easier to type in the PIN using a touch screen than using the keys.
The only issue I am having again and again is that the activity is automatically terminated after a too long pause – when I forget to interrupt the pause before that happens. But this has nothing to do with the touchscreen.
“It boogles my mind why companies keep on insisting on putting out sports tech with only or mainly touchscreens.”
Same reason Garmin’s going all-in on AMOLED: touchscreens are cool, physical buttons aren’t. It’s been this way for 10+ years now. There’s also tangible UX benefits for things like panning the map, navigating settings and entering text or a PIN.
I wouldn’t buy a Forerunner which couldn’t be used without touch, but I also don’t see Apple ever releasing which can be operated only with physical controls.
I was about to purchase this one for my gf who currently has a Garmin 645 Music (that I bought her 3 years ago or so). But just saw that they remove the barometric altimeter on VivoActive 5. Thats a real bummer…
I’d say FR 255 or 265 may be a good watch for her.
Thanks for the quick and thorough review. I just upgraded from Vivoactive 3 to Vivoactive 4 (at a very good price.) I was assuming if they were going to announce the Vivoactive 5 it would have happened right after labor day. Nonetheless, I have no regrets. A lot of the VivoActive 5 features don’t matter to me and I like the always on MIP display on the Vivoactive 4. I also like to see my stair count!
I have a VA4 and I don’t know if I see much that is compelling for me to upgrade to the VA5. AMOLED displays are beautiful, but the times I have tried them out, I have found that I miss always on.
As I expect a segment of potential VA5 customers are current VA4/3 owners, a separate comparison run/bike of VA5 vs. VA4 in GPS and heart rate tracking would have been interesting to see if/how much things have improved.
Totally disappointing, New? looks like a old Venu 2 Same Heart O2 sensor.
I’ll keep my VA4 or Buy another brand..
They took from VA4:
Transflective Screen
-Always ON screen
Altimeter – Baro
Floors
New hardware:
Sound Alarm.
What a bad joke
“For example, you have the HRV data widgets/fields available on the watch, but on the Vivoactive 3 you can’t put it as one of the watch face data fields (whereas you can on a Forerunner or Fenix).”
I’m sure that’s meant to read Vivoactive 5
I’ve always liked the Vivoactive line (currently in the 4), but I’m to the point now that I hate the touchscreen. As a triathlete that watch does what I need it to, but my wife has the FR 245 and it seems to do everything she needs too. This watch looks nice, but I think I’ll be looking at a different model.
Hi!
Is there any gadget etc. to get around the lack of a barometer? Or do I get more value for my money if I buy the Venu sq 2 which is sold at half the price compared to the Vivoactive 5? I would consider Venu 3 but the price cap is over 200 euros in my country. What about Polar Ignite 3 vs Vivoactive 5 which one is better?
I am mainly a gym-goer who occasionally plays badminton and padel and I am mainly interested in recovery, overall health, and tracking stress, pulse, and sleeping. what watch do you recommend?
You could still get the Vivoactive 4, which is not expensive and has a barometer. It does not support GPS tracking for outdoor swimming, though. If that’s important, you need to get a more expensive model.
Thank you for the answer! The Vivoactive 4 is one of the ones I’ve been thinking about but what do you think of the Venu 2 plus model? Vivoactive 4 is quite old model and Venu 2 plus is only 70 euros more expensive than Vivoactive 5 and it a lot newer model and and has barometer.
Depends on your display preference. If you like an always-on display that’s easy to read in direct sunlight (but less so when it’s darker), the Venue with it’s OLED display is not for you. Otherwise, I don’t see why you should not go with the Venue. My wife has one and never complained about the display. I still prefer the MIP display of the Vivoactive 4. Different preferences and priorities :)
Was ready to buy this and switch to Garmin from Apple Watch, but it doesn’t support the ant+ FE-c (fitness equipment) profile so that’s a deal breaker. Can’t connect this to my rowing machine nor my spin bike. What’s the point of having sport profiles without supporting basic sensors? Lame.
Please review the Garmin MARQ® Athlete (Gen 2) – Performance Edition, only $2900, I am not sure if I need to buy one or two.
Dear Ray!
Thank’s again for this detailed and impartial review!! I got one question: This watch and the Venu 3 are the first “Smartwatches” from Garmin, who support “Open Water swimming”. Do you think, that they are good choices for a Triathlon?
Thanks in advance, Konrad
I am a tennis player,Please suggest perfect watch for me.
Is Apple watch series 9 is good or not for me
I love your site and looking for a watch that meets my needs. I have been in triathlons since 2006 but now I’m 77 yrs. and can’t do as much but want to track HR, download to garmin connect then to TP. I have heart issues so need that tracking and I’m trying to stay mostly in zone to and not obsess so much about statistics. I walk, swim bike and play pickleball, also light weight training. I like this vivoactive watch cause it looks nice. Will it work for me?
Good day DC, I’m literally defeated by the amount of work you put into every single post. It’s so inspiring. I also write about smartwatches and I’m very curious how you create those HR comparisons. I have attached an image. I will really appreciate if you can show me. Regards.
Hello, thanks! No problem, here ya go: link to dcrainmaker.com
Is there a way to enable the GPS on the VA5 without having to start an activity ?
So for someone thats lookiing to track walking, cycling, along with heart rate stress this is a good contender with out spending allot of money?
So I heard a lot about Garmins great customer service…had a problem with the V5 which they tried to resolve with a factory reset. That didn’t really work and sent them an example of a session where the v5 recorded that despite me increasing my effort in the last part of a run….my heart rate actually dropped.
Received this reply. ….quite right…the watch is **** for HR…go buy a chest monitor instead.
An amazingly thorough analysis. Exactly what I was looking for as I received this watch as a gift and wanted to make sure it had all the features that I needed and that it’s accuracy was reliable. After reading this article, I feel comfortable that this watch will suit me just fine. Thank you so much for your thorough research
I dislike the artificial limitations (e.g. max of 4 data fields) they make because of the different product lines. It would be much nicer for consumers if Garmin had fewer models with less discrepancies between the features.
Hi Ray
Have just received a new watch, Software is up to date — Version 10.20
Trying to set display as suggested – always on dim, brightening after gesture. Has the behaviour changed since your review? The display is always blank until I move my wrist
Settings:
System:
Display:
Large Fonts: Off
Brightness: Low
General Use: Timeout: Short Always On: On Gesture: On Sensitivity: High
Is there something I am missing?
It’s the XLarge watchface, it doesn’t understand brightness, so dim is blank unfortunately
I’ve switched to a Garmin watchface which is OK, but I would rather have larger and simpler digits
I haven’t been able to get my Vivoactive 5 to send HR data to my Garmin 510. Am I missing something or is this a gap in functionality? Thanks in advance for insights here!
My Vivoactive 4s has just given up the ghost after only 3 years following a short sea swim. Garmin Exchange are offering the Vivoactive 5 as a replacement for £142 (GBP) which seems OK, though I would have expected longer than 3 years lifetime from my failed watch. I’ve decided to go with this. I didn’t find the barometric altimeter accurate (compared with OS maps and a very old Edge 800 which is still going strong). I will miss the Stairs widget (even though it wasn’t accurate) but I can’t justify the price of a new Venu 3 for that. I will find the Open Water Swim useful; so swings and roundabouts.