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Are on device reviews slated for the EPIX2? It isn’t on the list but the Fenix7 is. And they are both on the other lists.
So are we finally seeing the definitive divergence between the 955 and 945LTE? It’s beginning to look like the 945LTE is not going to get System 6.
Looks like it. I was hoping they’d at least let us adjust data screens from the Connect app, but that never happened.
Hi Ray,
The “Work-Rest Guide Training Analysis” is not new – Polar did have this feature on the old FT60 and FT80 way back in 2007 – I had the FT80 and it would tell me when I was ready for my next set
Thanks,
Munz
IMO Polar has 2 (or more) different timelines realistically in their devices/features history “pre-Vantage” and “post-Vantage”. Polar effectively (with the exception of m430) pretty much took 3 years off releasing anything (while trying to figure out the new chipset integrations on what would become Vantage), then became “Polar 2.0, Vantage timeline” (Kind of like Star Trek reboots, LOL). “Whatever happened before, no longer exists in Polar-verse, LOL”. That’s the feeling I have had for years anyhow, basically they changed the core hardware, had to redevelop the entire OS around the new hardware stacks, seem to have hired a bunch of devs for the new OS dev that had no idea how good, stable, reliable, Polar was known for in past history, and advanced the “spec sheet” while drawing back in the quality, reliability, stability, and “it just works and works wellness” of their products.
Except the m430, that was “Spock” in Star Trek terms, making guest appearances across all timelines and such, LOL.
Just my take on it in general, really there are 3.5 eras:
Era 1 – “independent device” era (pre-internet sync platforms, when you just used a spreadsheet/paper to track your post-workout data) (and I could design custom watch faces for at least one of my models, that was fun, although the audio-sync made that quite challenging, LOL!)
Era 2 – The PPersonT/PProT era (when things really worked great, and you could have manual input, synced input, and modifiable data (and extra data, blood pressure, temperature, and dozens of other “hand-entered” metrics in their local and web platforms… the good-old-days…)
Era 2.5 the Polar Flow with still reliable devices era – pre-Flow devices and their data sync kinda worked still, the still-supported devices were still great, the platform much less so from a data perspective (prettier, but less data metrics actually supported, and can’t edit/crop workouts).
Era 3 – The post Vantage era, when all previous eras were forsaken in favor of “more hardware” specs color, touchscreens, less accurate OHRs and GPS (compared to the least era 2.0/2.5 devices), but less reliable software and muddling/loss of features (which mostly have now found their way back finally) from the last 2.5 device (v800).
Anyhow, current Polar marketing, management, “public facing” entities, seem to REALLY want everyone to forget the 2.0/2.5 era and before, ever existed. I think it’s because they (SOMEONE there at least) know, their “things” today, aren’t as good (in relative terms) to their devices “then” and it’s a spot of contention that they have yet to get back to that “it just works and does it’s job well/perfectly” quality they used to be praised for (their biggest 2 selling points in the old days were “we do what we do, better than anyone” and “our devices just work, period”.
Garmin couldn’t claim either of those as better than Polar through the late 201x years, but now it’s flipped, and Garmin is “just as reliable (both are a bit flakey now, instead of that just being the knock against Garmin”) in my personal usage/experience of both, and has MUCH better GPS and similar OHR accuracy, but has a lot more to offer as well than similar market-level Polar devices.
Not a good place for Polar to be in, but hey, at least their low-midgrade watch has a Ti bezel option now.
(I’m off to go use my v800 with my Polar Balance scale to automatically record my weight, check the current ambient temperature from my wrist, record my current waypoint and altitude, setup some custom intervals, setup a race pace to try for my training run, see and skip a song on spotify from my watch, get my phone notifications (not while working out sadly, that only came post-v800 and yeah, it’s partial, but enough to get the idea most of the time), record running cadence from the wrist, or sync my Stryd and get accurate power, speed, and cadence recorded and displayed on the watch via fully customizable screen/data views, go for a swim with live HR reporting from my chest strap while swimming (and accurate swim stroke tracking and open-water GPS recording that doesn’t fail halfway through a workout, then maybe sync up some Strava segments to my v800 and later start a video recording remotely on my GoPro from across the room so I am ready to start recording, all from my 7-year-old watch…) Polar today, doesn’t want people to remember that a LONG list of their “latest features” the past 5 years or so, was re-releasing things they’d already done in the “before times”.
(And yes, I’m NEVER going to forget, or give-up on, those “before” times, in hopes that SOMEHOW Polar today, can find their way BACK to the “it just works” feel of those days, while progressing the platform forward in meaningful ways, because I don’t know when to give up, LOL).
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Interesting take on this. I’d say it a bit more simply: seems like Polar has always been a health research first company. They’ve gotten distracted chasing high end hardware and losing to Garmin for years. Now maybe trying to switch back to health/”algorithm” focus again maybe? No new “flagship” device in almost 3 years, licensing their algorithms, and I thought they just had some layoffs. Tough sledding for Polar, I hope they can figure it out. Hard to develop new algorithms long term without adding new sensors (aka new devices), curious what they release next. Personally I’d love to see them go to 3 year flagship hardware cycle, but support and develop every product with quarterly or frequent updates. Best of all worlds, if the business model is there.
This is a great article on its own.
Thank you for this comment! Im 100% with you.
Polar really dont know what to do. Theyre not best at gps tracking or ohr. They dont even have best hr underwater (they killed their own tech – 5khz transmission, real time hr underwater!). So what are they the best?
My opinion: selling soft updates for the price of new watch. Shortest update time of existing models (even flagship models). Bringing back functions from previous watches and advertising it as great and new functions.
They cut explore function, clubs, groups from Polar Flow. They cut off “feed” option and comments. They cut off biking computers (still selling m460 but dont support with new updates!).
Worst thing for me is… almost all new functions which work on v800 and vantage v2 is better on v800! Navigation – v800 got POI, automatic change direction (not with menus like on v2).
Strava segments – you have list on v800, during activity info about 2 upcoming segments and when you pause segment it appear next time (on v2 canceling “closes” this segment for this activity), you had hr during racing with strava segment
Race pace – on v800 you had “average time to arrive on time” real time changing with our speed, that was really a handy function but hey! On v2 you have dude running or cycling xD.
And battery time… Coros have weeks of battery time, Garmin and suunto have weeks of battery time. Polar only days.
Big Polar fan here but not fanatic. I see what they did to my beloved brand. I wait till end of this year to make a switch, unfortunately.
Thank you for all of this John. I’m wondering what you might switch to? I might follow suit, as I’ve grown tired of Polar with how they have been “acting”.
Good reviews and news as always!
Thx
There’s a typo in the article. In the polar section near the bottom discussing the interval and hiit training . Interval is spelled internal
Thanks for the nice coverage of the Polar update. A few of us still in the polar camp, I know I appreciate the coverage. 👍
Typo: “what it does is during internal or HIIT workouts” should be interval. :-)
Thanks!
Hi Ray! On a Fenix 6x (and probably many other sportwatches as well), you could easily create a HIIT-session, there the next step in the interval session will not start before your HR drops below a certain value.
How will Polar’s new interval differs from that?