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Any news on when or if Peleton will be available in the Netherlands?
I’d be tempted to try Peloton if they opened up their app to support third party trainers. Maybe that’s something they should think about in the goal to get to 100 million subscribers?
Looks like Adrian needs some more training — from that single pic his technique looks terrible.
LOL absolutely
Des from DesFit posted a review of Hydrow a while ago
In prep for this, will you check out the Hydrow rower?
I don’t believe Ray is an avid rower. There are some excellent rower reviewers online. Most have covered the Hydrow.
I wonder if this will be the kick up the backside that might make Concept a bit more innovative?
Honest question: What makes it necessary for C2 to be more innovative? For me, the value of the brand is in providing a simple, effective machine with hardware and software that simply lasts. I bought a second-hand model that’s about 20 years old and has over a million miles on it, and is outputting more or less the same information on the PM3 monitor and the PM5, aside from minor points like Bluetooth/ANT+ connectivity, which you can make happen with a few wires. That kind of consistent simplicity and quality over time is what makes the Concept 2 brand worth buying, in my opinion. I don’t feel any need for any touchscreens or bells & whistles on any of my C2 machines.
I have been owning a Concept 2 Rower for 16 month and I am extremely happy….so happy that I bought the bike just recently. Both connect without any problems to Garmin and both measure power. Together both were cheaper than a peloton bike. If the rower is as expensive, I don’t see to many future customers! I am sure that there are more avid bikers than rowers and I don’t see that the hardcore rowers dump their C2s and switch to Peloton. But we’ll see soon enough.
You’re lucky, you missed the 5+ year period of painfully trying to convince Concept to provide any form of syncing with Garmin devices, they just didn’t see any need for it despite so many requests. They just seem so out-of-touch and vulnerable to a market disrupter waltzing in while they’re still asleep and stealing their crown.
I don’t see the Concept 2 & Peleton rower customers having a lot of overlap. There are rowers like the Hydrow that will be more likely to overlap with Peleton. There will be some overlap but the two rowers are too dissimilar to be direct competitors.
The only reason tfor my to get Concept2 was the connectivity with Garmin. If that wouldn’t have been an option….Concept 2 rower and bike wouldn’t sit in my basement. It is amazing why fitness companies wouldn’t open themselves up to other fitness companies when they are not in a competition but can only benefit from each other without spending much money.
But I still hate that Garmin Connect is not opening up to all the activities they support on their watches. So you can choose Indoor Rowing but you activities in GC will be under Gym&Fitness Equipment. Why is that the only option? Garmin needs to catch up with GC…that is just a fudging mess if you do anything but run, cycle or swim..maybe walk.
That market disruptor is not going to be Peloton though, lol.
The only other rower maker of note is Technogym. Whether you think their rower is better or not is largely a matter of taste, but it’s considerably more expensive.
Err, I think you mean Water rower. There are tons more. But Technogym is certainly not renowned for their rower.
That part has been entirely because of their headunits. Every PM4 monitor and forward has technically been able to transmit ANT+ for years. The PM5 unit was much better at it though. (and the pm5 can do BT as well)
Nope. RP3 and WaterRower are absolutely rower makers of note, the former especially.
It looks oddly steep or inclined compared to other rowers.
That, ummmm… didn’t look like good rowing form.
Which is fine for most, but if you’re a trainer and/or when you’re selling it as part of a training subscription package…
Seriously, he looked like most of the gym goers who get on a rowing machine (often to show off) having not been shown (or perhaps listened) how to use it.
And it may make me sound a bit snobbish, but you can almost always tell who has never rowed in an actual boat before. You’d capsize if you did what they did.
You mean the type who the first thing they do is crank the resistance up to 10?
Peloton is in a cash crunch and needed a $745 million loan. They won’t be getting any revenue from this on the books until at least the new fiscal year. How much do you think it will costs to establish the production line and get some inventory?
I am a little worried that we will never see this produced.
I own a Concept 2 and a Peloton bike. I will look for some kind of iPad mount on my rower. Will be able to take the classes, just not the leaderboard or Peloton metrics.
@Mark, there are tons of good tablet mounts. I have the Concept2 one for the rower and Erg Caddy Flip for the Ski Erg.
link to concept2.com
I wonder what’s the point of viewing Peloton content on a plane except for good PR?
There’s probably a good reason, but why can’t you “free bike” and watch youtube, netflix, disney+ etc? seems like a cheap integration that would be good for Peloton and the streaming services. I’d love to do my long ride while watching a sporting event on TV or a movie.
I don’t see a Peloton rower catching on, at least not like their bikes. As a former rower who sold his erg shortly after buying a smart trainer and bike, proper form is extremely critical in rowing and poor form can lead to injury.
Maybe Peloton Inc is trying to take a bite out of rowing studios like Orange Theory Fitness, RowHouse etc but this seems niche. They certainly won’t win over ACTUAL rowers who are solidly in the Concept2 camp. Big “meh” for me.
I largely agree. Albeit, it really depends on the price. As they showed in their earnings call letter, the changes in price they’ve been experimenting with lately have had massive impacts on sales. So perhaps they’ll continue that.
In many ways though, I think sporty people heavily overestimate how much normal people want to row. It’s ultimately the same reason Zwift rowing never came to fruition. Anyone can ride a bike and get reasonably fit doing so. It requires effectively no form-specific aspects – you just pedal harder and work harder, whereas the same can’t be said for rowing in terms of that learning curve.
(Yes, of course, there are elements of pedaling efficiency, but nowhere near the same level as rowing or swimming in terms of impact to output.)
Still, I’m looking forward to giving it a whirl. If for no other reason to mix it up!
PTON will likely go bankrupt soon. That should be something customers consider before purchasing.
Why will they go bankupt soon?
I think he was right. Likely to go bankrupt soon by their own admission.
link to wsj.com
Anybody else think that CEO is trying to look like Tim Cook?
As long as he makes the business a fraction the success that Cook has, I don’t care if he wears moose pajamas.