I still fail to understand how it’s mid-November already?!? The rain and ugly weather is mostly non-stop here, but at least that means (yet) more trainer time indoors. With my parents in town this week, here’s what we were up to!
1) DCR Gadget T-Shirt Came In!
Last year we designed a DCR sports-tech themed ugly sweater t-shirt, which was pretty awesome. We decided against a sweater itself, since for most people that has semi-limited appeal (especially if you’re in a warm locale). This year we tweaked the design and went with a red background. While DCR Open House folks will be able to order (and then pick up at the open house) the t-shirts, you can still get one here. All without the need to travel to Amsterdam.
And here’s a close-up:
Plus, there’s socks too (select drop-down)! Though, the socks haven’t arrived yet (below at right is showing the back-side with the heel).
Maybe they’re in Dutch customs jail. Who knows. Welcome to my shipping life. But hey, you can order them. So woot! And thanks to The Girl who once again did all the work organizing this.
2) 4iiii Fliiiight Smart Trainer Unboxing
First off, please 4iiii, I’m begging you – no more four iiiii’s per product names after this. My ‘I’ key on my keyboard is dying at a much faster rate than the others. With that public service announcement out of the way, the trainer itself (here’s my preview post), which comes in the skinniest box of all trainers:
It uses magnets to produce resistance against metal rims, but unlike the past STAC trainers (remember, 4iiii bought STAC) – this one doesn’t need any additional wheel weights on it. It’s just unfold the unit, clamp your bike and go.
Unfortunately, while boxing and setup went incredibly smooth – on the same silly-easy level as the also-new Elite Suito trainer….the actual first ride experience on Sunday hit a few hiccups. I’ve sent off an e-mail to figure out why I was having the issues I was, but after a few apps and devices, I gave up for the day and went for a run. Given the particular area that failed (FTMS control from apps) is something that STAC has previously had without issue, I’ve gotta believe it’s a software bug. In any case, hopefully it’s a quick and simple fix or idea and I’ll be back in business.
(Mind you, 4iiii simply joins *every other* trainer company this year with new 2019 early-season trainer issues. Not a single company has managed to avoid that list this year.)
3) Recording the Podcast
GPLAMA and I chatted for a couple of hours, though, only ended up recording about 60 minutes of it. The remainder would probably get us in trouble if we recorded it. We’ve joked it would be a great ‘after-hours’ podcast. Just once…maybe twice. And then nobody in the industry would ever talk to us again. It’s our equivalence of going to the bar on Friday after a long work week.
But, the recorded part is pretty good this week. And, it’ll be up shortly. I’m waiting on a comment on one itty-bitty item from a company before I concurrently publish my post (they’re getting back to me today). I think it’s a pretty big item. Actually, it’s industry-changing. So stay tuned and watch on Twitter – because a lot of people will be saying ‘holy @#$#@’ – and you won’t even have to listen to the after show.
4) Off to the pool
Saturday we braved the endless rain and pedaled about 30 minutes across town to the big swimming pool place. It’s like an indoor water park (and in the summer, also an outdoor spot too). It’s awesome.
Though my parents (who are in town) thought the driving sideways rain was less than awesome. Win some, lose some.
Unfortunately, you can’t take pictures at the pool. So here’s a picture on the way to the pool:
And here’s a picture on the way home – with both kiddos hard asleep in the bike:
At least someone was dry during the ride.
5) Five Watches, 5 HR Sensors, One Peanut
Sunday late afternoon as the sun began to wane, I headed out with The Peanut for a run. P2 was asleep (with the grandparents), and P3 was also asleep out walking with The Girl. Also, I took a few watches:
For those counting at home, I had:
1) Apple Watch Series 5 (right wrist)
2) Garmin Venu (left wrist)
3) COROS Vertix (on stroller collecting data)
4) Garmin FR935 (on stroller collecting data)
5) Garmin FR945 (on stroller collecting data)
In general, when units are on the stroller they’re collecting heart rate data, GPS data, or whatever else. Speaking of HR data, in total here was the lineup:
1) Apple Watch Optical HR Sensor (right wrist)
2) Garmin Venu Optical HR Sensor (left wrist)
3) Polar OH-1 Optical HR Sensor (upper left arm)
4) MIO Pod Optical HR Sensor (upper right arm)
5) Garmin HRM-DUAL (chest strap)
The Peanut forgot her watch, a Vivofit Jr., sheesh, what a slacker! How can she expect to contribute to this data pool when she forgets the one device she needed to remember?
Turns out, it’s via taking photos. She had the GoPro Max, taking selfies and pictures of ducks:
(In case you’re wondering why I took Max over Hero 8, mainly because she can more or less shoot in any direction and it still magically works. :)
In any case – off we went. Just out along the river and then the lake. Nothing special route-wise. We had hoped to see some fuzzy cows in the woods, but only ended up seeing a few bunnies and horses. No worries, we had a good time:
And here’s that HR data, for fun. Ironically – it was exactly as you expect for a cool fall day: The chest strap struggled at the beginning (I had moistened it before the run, but by the time I got everything all set, it got dried out). The Garmin Venu struggled a little bit here and there (I was pushing the stroller with my right hand, the one with Apple Watch on it).
GPS data was mostly blah from everyone. Nobody got it spot-on, with many of the units skewing off into the woods.
Oh, and Strava…because you always have to include Strava.
BONUS Item: Sales Begin This Week:
I’ll have a much more detailed post later this week when the Clever Training VIP Sale kicks off (that’s the semi-annual one that gets you 20% off an item, straight discount, no points stuffs). But until then, there’s these deals below that are listed as part of the pre-Black Friday ramp up. It’s a thing this year more than previous years. Who knows if there will actually be any deals by the time we get to Black Friday. All these companies are pushing deals earlier and earlier.
Update: If you’re not a CT/DCR VIP member, you can enroll as a VIP member right now using code FREEVIPDCR and my link here. This will get you enrolled for free, versus the standard $20 fee (or $5 for DCR readers)
In general, most times you won’t see companies increase a deal on a specific product at Black Friday. Manufacturers and retailers go to great lengths to avoid that, because customers will simply demand the difference in cash back or say they’ll return and re-buy (which is at high expense to the retailer and manufacturer). So it’s pretty rare for something to get cheaper later in the holiday cycle (sales sometimes re-appear). In any case, here ya go:
| Product | Sale Price | Amazon | Other site | Sale Notes |
 | Apple Watch Series 10 - $50 off
$399/$499 (cellular) | $349 | Amazon | | |
 | Apple Watch Ultra 2 Black Titanium - $75 off | $725 | Amazon | | This is a nice little deal for this unit which just came out. |
 | Fitbit Ace LTE Kids Activity Smartwatch - 22% off | $179 | Amazon | | This was just announced this summer, and is their first full smartwatch focused on kids activity tracking and gamification. |
 | Fitbit Charge 6 - 38% off!
$159 | $99 | Amazon | | This is the go-to sale price for the Fitbit Charge 6. It happens often, but it still doesn't take away from the fast that it's argueably the best bang for your buck fitness tracker out there. |
 | Fitbit Inspire 3 - $30 off | $69 | Amazon | | |
 | Fitbit Sense 2 - $70 off | $179 | Amazon | | |
 | Fitbit Versa 4 - $40 off | $119 | Amazon | | |
 | Garmin Edge 1040 Cycling GPS - $100 off! | $499 | Amazon | | This is a good deal, especially since it's gotten virtually all of the Edge 1050 updates, and then a boatload more. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see this drop further to $449, as it did this past summer. |
 | Garmin Edge 540 - $100 off | $249 | Amazon | REI | ⚡⚡This is the lowest price we've seen on the Garmin Edge 540 to date, which has gained virtually all of the new Garmin Edge 1050 features as well. This is kinda an insane deal for this unit. |
 | Garmin Edge 540 Solar - $100 off | $349 | Amazon | REI | This is the lowest price we've seen on the Garmin Edge 540 Solar to date, which has gained virtually all of the new Garmin Edge 1050 features as well. |
 | Garmin Edge 840 - $100 off | $349 | Amazon | REI | ⚡⚡This is the lowest price we've seen on the Garmin Edge 840 to date, which has gained virtually all of the new Garmin Edge 1050 features as well. This is one of my main units I use daily. |
 | Garmin Edge 840 Solar - $100 off | $449 | Amazon | REI | This is the lowest price we've seen on the Garmin Edge 840 Solar to date, which has gained virtually all of the new Garmin Edge 1050 features as well. |
 | Garmin Edge Explore 2 - $40 off
$299 | $269 | Amazon | Competitive Cyclist | This is a great little unit, though, with the sales on the Edge 540 and 840 series, you might want to look at those instead. |
 | Garmin Epix Pro Series - 20% off!
$899/$999 | $649 | Amazon | REI | ⚡ This is the lowest price to date for the Garmin Epix Pro series, likely due to the Fenix 8 coming out a few months back (Epix as a brand was merged into the Fenix 8 branding). Still, if you don't care about diving or voice bits, this is an incredible deal. |
 | Garmin Epix Sapphire/Titanium (Gen 2) - $400+ off! | $449 | Amazon | | ⚡⚡⚡ This is a crazy super strong deal. Note the Epix received all of the software updates of the Epix Pro. While we saw a slightly better deal at $399 for a day back in October, this is otherwise the lowest price we've seen it sustained at. |
 | Garmin Fenix 7 Pro - 31% off (All Variants)
$799+ | $549+ | Amazon | REI | ⚡ This is the lowest price to date for the Garmin Fenix 7 Pro series, likely due to the Fenix 8 coming out a few months back. Still, if you don't care about diving or voice bits, this is an incredible deal. |
 | Garmin Forerunner 165 Music - $50 off! | $249 | Amazon | | This is the first time we've head a meaningful sale on the Forerunner 165, released earlier this year, down to $249 for the Music edition, and $199 for the non-music edition. |
 | Garmin Forerunner 255/255S - $100 off | $249 | Amazon | | This is Garmin's mid-tier running watch, and is a very polished option with good multi-band GPS, and of course, a boatload of running metrics. |
 | Garmin Forerunner 255/255S Music - $100 off!
$349/$399 | $299 | Amazon | | This is Garmin's mid-tier running watch, and is a very polished option with good multi-band GPS, and of course, a boatload of running metrics. This model also includes offline music such as Spotify and Amazon Music. |
 | Garmin Forerunner 265 - $100 off | $349 | Amazon | REI | This is the first time we've seen the Forerunner 265 on sale, and it's solidly priced right now at $349 |
 | Garmin Forerunner 265s - $100 off | $349 | Amazon | REI | This is the first time we've seen the Forerunner 265 on sale, and it's solidly priced right now at $349 |
 | Garmin Forerunner 955 - $100ish off! | $399 | Amazon | | This is one of Garmin's most popular running watches, and it's down to a very strong price. I often use this in my accuracy testing comparisons when validating other watches, due to it's very strong GPS performance. Note this is the base edition without solar. It'd be hard to find any better deal in sports watches today, from any company (given this has full mapping, tons of new features even this week, etc...). I say '$100ish', because it's usually been on forever sale at $499, so $399 is a strong price, though, it dipped to $319 for Amazon Prime Day. |
 | Garmin Forerunner 965 - $50 off! | $499 | Amazon | REI | This is the lowest price we've seen ever on the Forerunner 965, since it's launch. It's still Garmin's top-end Forerunner watch, and I expect it to stay that way for a while. It's one I often use in comparative testing as a reference device. |
 | Garmin Instinct 2X - $100 off! | $349 | Amazon | REI | This is a solid deal. Garmin Instinct 2X - $100 off!It's best thought of as an Instinct 2.5, as it has almost enough features to really be more of an Instinct 3 (which doesn't exist at this point). |
 | Garmin Tactix 7 Pro - 20% off | $1,049 | Amazon | | This is the largest discount we've seen to date on the Tactix 7 Pro unit. Note the other Tactix 7 Pro units/variants are also on sale for 20% off too (this link takes you to all of them). |
 | GoPro Hero 12 Black - $100 off! | $299 | Amazon | | The new Hero 13 just came out, which mostly just adds a bunch of new accessory options. If you don't plan to purchase those accessories, then this is a solid deal. |
 | GoPro Hero 13 Black - $60 OFF! | $399 | Amazon | REI | This is the first time we have seen the newly announced GoPro Hero 13 Black on sale. Solid deal, this is my daily use action cam! |
 | Google Pixel Watch 3 (41mm) - $70 OFF | $279 | Amazon | | Click to add $70 coupon into the cart. Bringing price down to $279! |
 | Insta360 Ace Pro Action Cam - $50 off | $299 | Amazon | | This is the previous edition, as the Ace Pro 2 just came out a few weeks back, but this is still a very solid camera from a year ago. |
 | Insta360 GO 3S Tiny 4K Action Camera - $60 off! | $239 | Amazon | | This is a great deal for this tiny little thing, which should really be named the Go 4, given how many new features it has (including 4K). It also has all the Insta360 sport integration features with Garmin & Apple, to overlay your Garmin/Apple data automatically on your footage. |
 | Jackery Portable Power Station - $60 off! | $199 | Amazon | | This is something I use frequently when shooting out and about and I need to re-charge a crapton of drone batteries, action cameras, or just cameras and such. I also use it on trips to Eurobike and elsewhere to keep equipment charged. I've even bought a solar panel to hook up to it (surprisingly effective). Heck, I've even powered a KICKR trainer ride from it! |
 | Tacx Flux 2 Smart Trainer - $200ish off
$899 | $499 | N/A | REI | I mean, I guess. Really, I don't see why anyone would buy this trainer at any price above $299. With the JetBlack Victory at $399 being more accurate, quiter, including WiFi, including Zwift Cog support (or mechanical cassette), including dual-Bluetooth, including Race Mode, and...one could go on and on. |
 | Tacx NEO 2T Smart Trainer - $200-$300 off
$1,399 | $899 | Amazon | | This is the go-to sales price for the NEO 2T, though has become more frequent over the past year. It's still an incredible trainer, and is the top-end non-moving trainer from Garmin/Tacx. |
 | Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One (COG V2) + Play Controllers
$499 | $499 | N/A | Zwift.com | This package includes the KICKR CORE with the Zwift V2 Cog, but notably now also includes the Zwift Play controllers. Basically, this saves you about $100 or so, and is the first time we've seen them bundle it. |
 | Wahoo KICKR MOVE - $300 off!
$1,599 | $999 | N/A | REI | ⚡⚡ This is actually a very solid deal, and the first time we've seen this discounted. In fact, frankly, this is the first time in years it feels like Wahoo is actually doing a legit sale on something. Kudos. |
 | Wahoo KICKR ROLLR - $100 off
$599 | $499 | N/A | REI | |
 | Wahoo KICKR SNAP - Lowest Price Ever
$499 | $199 | Amazon | REI | This is lowest we've ever seen the KICKR SNAP priced. While the trend has moved towards wheel-off/direct drive trainers, this is still really solid deal if your budget it tight. That said, if you're in Europe, Decathlon has the D100 on sale for $199 also, and in my testing, I'd go with that almost every time. |
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The heel just looks like 2 dudes with a surfboard. It works pretty well.
Tandem surfboarding!!!
I thought they were naked and Ray was keepin it PG.
Whoa. Quite the tease there in #3. #dcrbomb
Maybe a TR announcement with new features. I can only hope.
My very same thought exactly!! ?
Oops, was meant as a reply to the surfboard comment
I see another significant change in the Fliiiight vs Halcyon. Foot levelers.
I slide a shim onto one leg of my Halycon to level it. Perhaps I should call it a Shiiiim and post it on Shapeways. ;-)
Foot levelers solve the issue and provide a much larger contact area than the Halcyon.
Those girls sacked out in the stroller is about the cutest thing I’ve ever seen!
Not actually a stroller but inside the UA. The movement and I think ‘feel’ of the road just puts kids to sleep. My little guy was almost 2 before he stopped falling asleep during the ride to/from Nursery in a bike trailer. It was like clockwork every journey – within 300ft of travel he’d be out like a light!
Any chance of a review on the mioPOD coming up? I hadn’t heard of that one before and I’d love an upper-arm based OHR sensor I don’t have to charge every 4-5 days.My OH1+ is pretty great, but the battery life on it is so short that it won’t last through the week to my LR. It would be perfect if they had just doubled the size and used the extra capacity for a larger battery.
Just what I was about to ask – I’m sure Ray is planning a review considering he’s using it.
Wahoo ‘suggested’ that the features of the TICKR fit would expand. They havent.
Schosche promised their ’24’ would do offline caching etc for Garmin. It doesn’t.
The OH1 is too small and tends to flip over for me – the strap etc is poorly designed.
Could Mio be about to come along and do everything that these others can’t quite manage ? They also seem to be pushing accuracy during ‘challenging’ conditions. Could we be about to see Mio back on the top of the optical pile. ?!
Yup, working my way through, probably up for next week as a review. I’ve got 3 workouts on it now I think. I had some initial app teething issues, but I think I’m past that right now (until I find the next issue I suppose).
Ironically, I haven’t had the OH1 flip over on me in quite a while…and then on my ride just now it did it. Doh.
The sensor is just a Valencell sensor – so in theory it’ll match the Scosche. In practice…ya never know. Track intervals in the morning.
Awesome – I’ll keep an eye out for it. My Wahoo is working just fine, but love a new gadget!
Whats the plan for the track ? It would be great to hear more about your training. Next goal race ??
Reluctantly, I’ve shifted the OH1 from my upper arm to the forearm just below the inside of the elbow. So far, this has helped keep it from flipping over, especially when I wear it with long sleeves. Polar should make it wider (in the across the strap direction) and use the extra space for more battery. That solves both issues with an otherwise great sensor.
I’ve been using the tickr fit for a while. It’s got great battery (like 39 hours) and it’s been really accurate for me. Plus dual ant*+/BT.
I love the Polar OH1 with goggle clip for swimming. They could make the strap & it’s clip bigger. They should leave the size of the device the same.
Ray/Bobbie, would it be possible to get a more holiday neutral shirt, for those of us that don’t celebrate Christmas but the other holidays around this time of year?
Cheers
-marc
Here you go – the red one probably fits the bill?
link to teespring.com
Yup, that’s that one too. We’ve also got some other designs being worked on. We’re trying to get better about it.
Are you using the Urban Arrow Poncho? We got one but the boss doesn’t wear it much
Definitely. If it rains, I wear it. Every time.
The Girl actually didn’t like it at first either, and then she got the hang of it and now always wears it while raining. I think in general the issue is that the height of the UA with the rain cover on is pretty high for shorter riders – and then you compound that concern with having this floppy tent over you.
Curious if you have tried the new ApplePro earbuds and if they are any better about falling out of your ear (or not)?
Adam Rodman
No, I haven’t tried them yet. For me given I already have the PowerBeats Pro and Airpods, I feel like I’m imperfectly covered by two products. This might converge my coverage, but increase my costs. :)
Even without the loops, the AirPods Pro are about as stable as the Powerbeats Pro.
Random reddit review: AirPods Pro vs. Powerbeats Pro vs. WF-1000XM3 (Bonus: vs. WH-1000XM3).
sooo… is the rhythm 24 sale price $89 or $69…(need to replace my dead rhythm+)
ooops sale starts today..i could’ve just looked ?…$89
My guess is that it is something about zwift. My google assistant feed on my phone managed to pick something up before the post was taken down:)
Point 3 is clickbait to keep me coming back! :)
I hear ya I am trying not to just keep refreshing DC’s Twitter feed…OUT WITH IT DC!!!
Soon…I hope. Getting some more comments from the folks involved.
Well, based on when Ray mentioned it in this post, I can’t see how it could be anything other than Ray and Shane buying Strava and adding new features……
You’ve grossly overestimated YouTube creator revenue….. or underestimated the value of Strava. ?
Just wait a few months Shane, Strava are doing their best to devalue the brand!
How about Zwift buying Elite, that would be fun!
I’m going with Zwift release VeryuPro Smartbike.
Keep us posted on the 4iiii Fliiiight (did I include enough i’s?). Anyway I am thinking of replacing my Direto with a Fliiiight or Kickr Core and I want to hear what you have to say.
I don’t know if this is a great replacement for a Direto per se, unless you’re really focused on ERG mode, or on silence/lack of vibrations. If so, then hang tight!
More teasing! Lol, It’ll be fire and pitch forks soon I’m afraid.
Any plans on reviewing the Mavic Mini? I just don’t feel like I can ask Santa for it without hearing about the good, bad, and ugly from you.
Yup, it’s coming (and sitting on my desk as we speak). The only challenge it it doesn’t have Active Track, so it’s more of a static shot sort of thing.
What happened to the rumoured Wahoo smart watch?
That’s what happens when people dig too much into *rumors*. ;)
I attended a KICKR product demo at my local bike shop almost exactly one year ago. At that point the Wahoo sales rep was still previewing the watch. “We don’t have a multi sport watch… yet…”. Have got to expect that program has been deep sixed. The FTC photos were what, 2+ years ago now?
4IIII FLIIIIGHT Smart Trainer questions,
do the magnets spread far enough apart for fat / mtn bikes?
Do any trainers handle mtn bike peddle surging realistically (lowest gearing on steep, lose hills) where you can’t just grind on a big front ring.
If ya needed excuse to add a fat bike to the fleet.
Thx
Mike
I wonder, When we can read your review of DJI Marvic Mini?
Probably next week. Headed out Thursday to do a bunch of tests with it (can’t do them nearby the cave/home due to drone restrictions).
That would be great, I was thinking, DJI must be sent you test spl far before Marvic Mini announce. Anyway, I will wait for your review
Yeah, they sent me one slightly ahead of launch, but it got all tangled up in shipping/customs unfortunately.
it would be great if the Xmas t-shirt were available in smaller (toddler) sizes so that the whole family can wear them
We’re poking to see if we can add that or not. Hang tight!
Hi Ray,
instead of typing “iiii” everytime why don’t you create a snippet/preference rule? In MacOS you can go to preferences→keyboard→text and create a simple rule to replece i.e. “4i” with “iiii” everytime you type it no matter the application used. Don’t have a windows machine around but probably there’s a similar utility available.
Yeah, probably a good idea. I know it can be done in the Microsoft Office suite, but not sure on Windows Live Writer than I use for writing posts.
Hi Ray, nice ugly shirt! Is the shirt clean: bio fabric and fair trade or is it really ugly?
The cotton shirt for the open house folks made here in Amsterdam are certified as “STANDARD 100 by OEKO-TEX”, which has a slew of certification criteria for both materials as well manufacturing sustainability that you can read up on.
The ones from Teespring I don’t have in front of me at this exact second (in the wash at home, at the office), to check the tags.
Thanks for the reply! Standard is a first step: not harmful for our body. But unfortunately says nothing about ecologically / bio or labor circumstances. Difficult industry like also all the nice hardware we like so much.
From a labor standpoint, the underlying shirts are made in Germany (and the printing here in Amsterdam). Given it’s in the EU, I don’t believe there’s any real concern about labor circumstances.
Hmm.. Garmin Vector Air —
link to bicycling.com
That article came up in my Apple News feed, so maybe I won’t give up on that app just yet. Most of the new device rumors & news have been from bloggers over the years. I imagine when the NDA is lifted we’ll see more details here.
There is at least one other new Garmin device rumor floating around, so this may be an interesting holiday buying season.
Have you ever done a review of running strollers? Which one do you use?
I’m in the market for one but haven’t been able to decide which one yet.
No, I’ve been meaning too. We use this Bob model: link to amzn.to
I love it, and I’ve actually used 2-3 other random strollers which claim to support running, and the main difference is the rolling resistance. The BOB just floats along. Also, I’ve seen the whole front tire recall thing a year ago, and frankly, it’s silly. It’s just people not knowing how to use a quick release skewer. It’s literally the exact same design as your bike wheels. Don’t get me wrong – I think the changes are grand, but I also think it’s typical Americana lawsuit overblown-ness for people not reading the manual.
That would be good. I’ve struggled to find any good comparisons.
That’s thrown a spanner in the works, the BOB wasn’t the one is was looking at. I was considering the Out n About. Main downside seems to be fixed front wheel.
Black Friday might make my mind up.
Cheers for the reply. Keep up the good work.
Any one need a bike. I have a Fuji 2000 fs men’s mountain bike. Great shape. Best offer