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These were sad news. I’m riding indoors 5 years now and i have tried almost all platforms (Zwift, TR, Rouvy,, Sufferfest etc). I’ve been riding on VirtuGo since June and i must say i was pretty happy with it. I really liked the training oriented approach, instead of the fancy avatars and graphics. The training sessions were great, well structured and suited well a time-crunched cyclist like me. Any minor bugs on the app were instantly addressed by the team and fixed within a few days.
I was also lucky enough to win one of the summer competition prices, which made VG one of the few apps that had prices for their users (Rouvy is the other one).
Anyway, as Ray said, competition is good for the consumers and it’s always sad to have companies closing down, letting the big ones to monopolize the market.
Many thanks to the VG team and i wish them luck to whatever the choose to do in the future.
Sad news indeed! No matter what you think of the product, competition is good for consumers, and this means less choice. ?
Part of their problem though is I’ve never heard of them and no doubt countless others haven’t either. Having used TR, Zwift and Sufferfest over the last couple of years, somehow they passed me by and I had no idea who they were until today. Obviously that’s too late.
Ray, Are you planning to do a new “Winter Trainer App In–Depth Guide”? The last one was the 2017-2016. It could be interesting to see new alternatives to TrainerRoad and Zwift. Thanks.
Yeah, November.
Once I get some more of these trainer (device) reviews knocked out (as I’ll probably ride some of these extra apps as part of those reviews).
Perfect! I think the most importants are smartphones or tablets compatible apps, because less cyclist use computer when they are training this days.
Thé John Tomac? 28 years later?
Thé John Tomac?? 28 years later?
Same here, had never heard of them or had any idea that Michael Rodgers was the CEO although I’m a massive cycling fan and know his career inside out, something wasn’t done right there…And I won’t even mention the lack of Android/iOS app !
My 2 cents Ray. I agree with basically everything u wrote above…but i think zwift is the platform that offers more options to riders. I think the only thing u cannot do with zwift is to replicate real life courses (i know that there is alpe , innsbruck and so on…but i’m talkin about the possibility to replicate hundreds of real life routes).
Maybe it’s not the best platform for workouts but it has workouts, it has social riding, race and so. With the marketin u can gain a lot of user but if the platform is not good they will not renew their subscriptions. more than one year ago they raises their price to 15$ (from 10) but the user base is continuin to grow.
I try a lot of app during my rides but at the moment zwift is the best choice for me…even if they have to fix or improve a lot of thing in their platform…
Oh definitely – Zwift without question offers a more substantial platform. I’m simply saying they got where they are because of money. Lots and lots of money.
Contrast that with TrainerRoad, which never took on investors, and they go where they are do to not just being first to market (which they were, well before Zwift), but had a solid product that people just enjoyed using – sans-social.
Just to add, pulling away users from an existing platform is also challenging. Those users on Zwift would need a pretty big incentive to move away from an already established platform that works. While the subscription price of Virtugo likely went some distance to closing that gap, Zwift has a lot more to offer in addition to their marketing.
Agree. in my opinion TR (at 15$/month) is too limited at the moment. Great Workouts ok..but only that. sad to say it but these days without a social part i dont think an app can be succesfull (even for the ‘serious’ cyclist ).
Disagree. TR is for the serious cyclist, Zwift’s training plans are by comparison a total joke. TR also builds in most of the features of something like TrainingPeaks so you really have an all in one training platform. The proof is in the pudding and TR is getting a lot of athletes big results.
I believe TR is now $20 per month USD. Quite the ask IMO. That increase pushed me over the edge to Trainingpeaks plan downloads.
What i think is that ‘seriuos’ cyclist have a coach or have the culture to train themself without using a web platform (such as TR or zwift). I’m a coach, i ve had a coach and i create my (or coach) workouts with zwift. The proof is that the best results are made with coach and not with a pc.
There is not a plan that fit all and there is not an App that listen to your thought about a session or a sequenze of session…is where u need a coach, someone to talk with.
This does not mean that with TR u cannot obatin great results…but not as great as the results obtained with a coach.
TR has over a thousand workouts, plus a workout creator, and a ton of pretty well thought out training plans covering a broad spectrum from full on racers to hobbyists and triathletes. They have a career calendar that’s completely update-able along with fitness and year over year tracking. Not to mention outside workouts now on Garmin and Wahoo. They’re really becoming a pretty good catchall for many cyclists needs. Not limited so much anymore (and their new $20/month pricing reflects that too).
Pulling workouts from the TrainingPeaks calendar into Zwift is also surprisingly easy.
The biggest knock against Zwift is its lack of serious training plans a-la-trainerroad. Besides being grandfathered in on some great subscription prices for being a long-time user, their plans (especially being the only trainer platform to offer serious triathlon plans) are what keep me a member.
While it is true that TR has innovated, especially over the last year when they reinvented their platform to become a workout log/analysis tool, and began pushing workouts to Garmin, their core is offering plans to make you a faster cyclist… it seems like Zwift could eat their lunch at any minute and for only a tiny cost (to them) of hiring one (or a few) coaches to write similar plans. Like, they don’t even need to hire people permanently; they could literally just outsource this for less than the cost of attending one trade show! It is truly shocking to me that this hasn’t happened yet, and I really can’t figure out why.
I assume that the above will happen one day (probably soon; and they’ll probably even introduce a minimal mode where you only see the workout, not the avatar/virtual world too). Maybe this would even happen with an acquisition of someone like Xert, and would provide an even greater ability to integrate structured training plans with a fairly unique offering. It would be impossibly tough for TR to compete with that bohemoth…especially with TR charging $5 more per month than Zwift.
I started thinking about TR’s viability into the future… and something that was talked about on the most recent episode of the FitFile Podcast (available everywhere you get your podcasts ?)…. Full featured bike computer app. I think this is the future for TrainerRoad. Think about it… You already do your structured workouts indoors with their app. Their app already records rides, takes in sensor data (and they work very hard on ensuring compatability with everything out there), pushes ride files to Strava, GC, and others, acts as a log/journal, and more. Strava recently all but pulled out of the recording game, Garmin and other hardware makers don’t want to forego their hardware revenue to release a competitive cycling app. All of the current apps have at least something lacking/limiting them. TR can become the tool of hardcore cyclists, recording rides inside and out, offering advanced structured workouts and pro-level analysis.
I can already hear the crowd of hardcore cyclist saying they’ll never give up their head-unit, but as other bike cpu makers (hammerhead/Sigma) have shown, it is possible to either make a form factor android or repurpose an older, possibly smaller phone for the job. I don’t see TR getting out of their “lane” and going into hardware, but a quick google search shows some basic android devices can be had for very little money. This offers the flexibility of Android’s extensibility, and having a dedicated cycling computer.
@NatePearson and co, I don’t want your lunch to be eaten. I know you can see how easily Zwift can add most of the functionality you have, but it would basically be impossible (and not within your scope/mission) for you to add theirs. Please keep on innovating, stretch the limits, and keep making cool shit. I don’t want to see you VirtuGo away (see what I did there?).
Zwift is going to introduce official teams. When they ‘ll add them a coach could own his team and share only with his members custom training planes, custom workouts, private team events and so on.
This, imo, will be a game changer for zwift and for coaches that want to add some feature to thei portfolio.
Where zwift really sucks for me is in the post session data analisys…it’ s true that averyone has a garmin or strava or TP account that could be linked to zwift…but zwift should really improve this feature.
Bereda is already on the move with group coaching, with coaches socializing and managing students on Bereda, but handing out Zwift workout file with their weekly plans. The coach on my program is also giving TR as well, but there seem to be more Zwifters.
Obviously, if Zwift offer this then the likes of Bereda will struggle.
For post-session data I use intervals.icu… but again Zwift could easily buy/add this functionality.
It is not only coachin, that is an option. It is also team for races, ride, events. Is always the same thing: everything looks better if u have a user base of 300.000 units.
IMO it’s ErgVideo that is for the serious cyclist. They are more engaging than TR, while offering far superior erg mode sessions than Zwift. And now available in annual subscription. I go for the annual EV sub, and turn Zwift on an off as needed as I do like the group events (not workouts) on Zwift.
“Without it, we’ll end up with strong-arming companies both to consumers and to the rest of the cycling industry.”
..and strong-arming they do which is no fun if your are on the receiving end ..
I’d never heard of them until this post which is the problem I guess for marketing budgets.
As Head Coach of my tri club I got a mail from Bkool this week offering 2 months free for all our members via a discount code as they stated they weren’t well known in Europe. Maybe this direct approach to clubs may work for them to get engagement.
The biggest acquisition hindrance might be potential buyers speculating on a Zwift firesale. Because while the Zwift strategy might work very well in terms of ruining the day for competitors, I’m not getting the impression that is works any good at all in terms of making their own business sustainable. Their sudden 180 from decidedly keeping their distance from the Zwift racing scene to pushing racing like mad just reeks of a panic pivot for getting yet another chance from their investors.
Also, and much less significantly, MaximumTrainer also recently closed down. It was free and a decent GUI for those just wanting to do structured workouts without the fancy graphics and social aspect that Zwift offers. Less choice is rarely good news.
Tis sad to see the platform close, but I’ve been on the beta from the start and only used it a few times. I prefered the graphics and training approach over Zwift, but couldn’t face riding the same course over and over, in a world with no other people, it was eerily quiet. I was hoping the users would grow and social events would start, but sadly it didn’t happen. Zwift has that critical mass of users that allows for regular events with lots of attendees, it’s going to be hard for another platform to catch up….. Let’s watch RGT and their new beta…. however, I’ve heard they’re struggling to get more than a handful of beta-testers which is a worry.
It’s hard for anyone to fit between TR and Zwift. TR has the serious side of things down pat, whereas Zwift has the social side. Personally I use Zwift daily, it has lots of flaws for a serious cyclist, but the little graphical touches (birds in the sky, etc) and social side makes indoor cycling bearable. I choose a lot of group rides, group workouts and races to supplement my training in order to keep me engaged.
I want someone to challenge Zwift, but it’s going to be difficult get that critical mass of users, regardless of the quality of the product…..lets see what Veloton can do when they properly enter the space, they’re trying hard to drive social media interest.
RE: new beta: RGT still doesn’t offer a standalone version for Apple TV? Last time I tried it, it only had this “remote display thing” (which sucks, TBH).
Why doesn’t Zwift change their graphics engine? RGT/Virtu are much more realistic than Zwift’s cartoonish-type visuals. It’s probably a barrier to entry as it works on lower-end systems, but I’d like to see Zwift offer a world or upgrade path to better looking, gaming type visuals.
TBH I think the basic, glitchy graphics are part of Zwift’s charm
I went to VirtuGo’s website at least a half dozen times and I could never determine what their virtual routes are without signing up. I do not care about training plans or coaching. All I want are routes/virtual worlds. When I cannot determine what they are offering within a couple of minutes I move on. I found this in many industries. Fancy, polished websites with no content.
Could they make it open source and let the people on the internet continue to develop it?
I like this idea, as open source it could be integrated with https://ergdb.org, GoldenCheetah, etc and other free resources…. perhaps they could do the same for MaximumTrainer which I think is closed now as well.
Given they are looking to have companies acquire assets, it seems unlikely theyd open source it.
Very sad news. A virtual *training* platform rather than social groups riding far too hard was highly welcomed, and is greatly needed. The level of innovation in VirtuGo had strong potential. I wonder where partnerships could be built to re-start this project. It sounds like the pilot light is still on, it just needs tanks of natural gas in the form of energy, interest, more thought & planning, and, of course, investment.
It’s almost entirely just money. They need money to build partnerships and out-bid competitors for those partnerships.
Why can’t these companies take a leaf out of the gaming industry and have AI riders until user numbers reach critical mass?
Even add some stands with people along the routes. Animals crossing the road. Dynamic weather. Law enforcement officials. Emergency service providers. Etc.
Zwift had that for a long time, and it did make it a bit better. Compared to the ghost town that was VirtuGo anyway.
It’s also why Zwift didn’t allow course selection for a long time, as they didn’t want to quiet worlds, but one busy one.
Thats the reason why i build my VCS TrainerSoftware as a hobby project.
6000€ is a target for a OneManShow per month, it does not feed your family.
Hi Ray,
Please check out the work done by Andreas. This is a brilliant piece of software as a hobby project. He has incorporated some interesting features into the routes.
This is worth your time.
I’ve used nearly all of these platforms, Zwift, VirtuGo, Tacx Desktop, TrainerRoad, Rouvy, RGT, Bkool etc and I have to say that whilst VirtuGo was decent technically, it was just boring! I use an app called BigRingVR for climbs (replacing Tacx Desktop) as it has hundreds of routes.
VirtuGo was just one single loop… round and around, not even the reverse was offered. I realise why, but I think they jumped to paid for too soon. The platform was so quiet, they were never going to generate buzz, and going to paid meant a lot of people stopped using it, so it was even more quiet.
Shame, as I think it had legs as a viable Zwift competitor, especially given the weird app combination that RGT have gone down, meaning I have to use 2 devices, it’s just not as convenient.
I think Ray knocked the nail on the head, convenience is key. The lower the barrier to entry, the more likely people will use it. An iPad or iPhone app makes life easier. That’s why I use Zwift on the Treadmill in the gym, I open my phone, and run. I’m not a runner, but it works and is easy.
Pretty ironic that the Tacx Trainer Software 3 & 4 (TTS 3/4) both featured some pretty immersive virtual worlds that allowed private and LAN multi-player which I only really began to discover after Tacx introduced the Tacx Desktop App and shortly afterwards, announced end of support for TTS 4!
Tacx and their lunatic “desktop-first-and-only” strategy, like it’s the 1990s.
Unbelievable.
Second that with the legendary John Tomac.
Really sad to see VirtuGO closing. As a non-professional mid 60 yr cyclist, it was a program in which I could train, do free rides, decide to see others riding and enjoy the scenery without feeling like I was the slowest person on the course.
It was nice I could cycle with others and with that feature on, I did improve my performance. The cost was well within reason but as DC Rainmaker correctly stated, VirtuGO just did not have the big bucks to advertise and increase their paid ridership.
I guess I’ll pony up the money and try Zwift for a bit to see how I fare. Farewell VirtuGO!
Interesting take on mobile vs PC. I would only run Zwift on mobile/tablet if I was absolutely desperate. The graphics and screen size, just doesn’t cut it. Shame it has closed down. I hadn’t used it quite from downloading and looking. I hope RGT stays, as it is my preferred platform at present.
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Sad news for this Team indeed and for competition and alternative ideas.
I tried a lot of virtual platforms before settling for one. Amongst them was VirtuGo. The platform was really good, nice graphics, well thought out environment, brilliant feel (gradient transitions were super smooth and natural on my Elite Drivo, they are very mechanical and harsh on Zwift) and the price was excellent.
I didn’t subscribe to it for one reason only, not enough terrain. Whizzing around the same small loop for two weeks got old very, very quickly. The lack of users was a concern but one I could live with as given time; that would change. I subscribed to Zwift simply because of the variety of courses and terrain and the number of group rides available. However, that was only until VirtuGo built out some more terrain. As soon as they expanded their world, I was planning to subscribe. Very sad to hear that they haven’t raised the finance required to keep the platform going.
These things take huge sums of money to grow but the cash is out there. if you know how and want to play that game. Two months camped in silicon valley doing the rounds of venture capitalists on a funding round might have raised what was required to build out the virtual world and fund the marketing to attract more users. A friend raised €10m (over various funding rounds) from VCs and his product sucked and he’s a drunken unknown idiot (with a degree from MIT). Hopefully they’ll find a buyer or investor to save us from the monopoly that Zwift with all of it’s flaws and shortcomings is rapidly becoming.
We need competition and choices… if only to keep Zwift honest.
Interesting that the challenge for Virtugo, RGT etc is the lack of users…. however, recently I’ve found there to be too many people on Zwift, with up to 9,000+ users on Zwift at the same time, and NYC the primary scheduled worlds, it’s more like a colony of ants. The other day I actually restarted Zwift to change worlds to Watopia because it was painfully busy, I now make a point of always selecting Watopia just to avoid the crowds.
It’s a shame, but I’m not surprised – in my opinion they needed to create more content, especially on youtube.
I started using VG last year and the training allowed me to do a mountain climb in Feb, it was simple, just get on the bike and follow practical instructions. Recently I tried TR and found the programs were just too much for me, looking to go back to VG only to find out they are closing.
Sad to seem them go, a shame they did not take to social media.
Edit: Sad to see them go, a shame they did not take to social media.
Further notes, they have TDF and pro-cyclist insights which they put into their programs and could have easily made podcasts/short videos to post on YouTube and Facebook.
Oh, and initial investment would have been a few hundred euros/dollars/pounds for the audio and video kit.
The number of contributors here not knowing VirtuGO existed highlights a failing in VGO’s marketing – and that kind of marketing is not expensive.
Social media can be powerful, but not overnight. Consistency is everything, VG should have been shouting from the roof-tops ‘we are here’ from day one. There is no expense to this strategy, just a single person with knowledge of social media, pushing out posts, video’s – anything – daily, on all platforms, consistently and not stopping when interest is starting to increase.
The possible promotion from the DC interview and preview should have been exploited – to the max – consistently.
If it’s not working – Change Direction – Do not quit.
It also indicates not many contributors here are long time followers. Or reading back when joining. The prog was in Rays software article last year! So……..
We all (I guess) don’t understand things get more expensive when they get more popular and partly that is because they have to win back initial investments but it also shows the companies have to spend on promoting. Look at sponsoring budgets for example Millions are ‘thrown away’….
Just wrong, outdated software development model. It’s time to opensource and grow exponently.
Put it on Gitlab with free (GPL, MIT, BSD or other) license, CEO and Founder Michael Rogers, please!
Generally speaking the open source model doesn’t tend to compete well in marketplaces for consumer oriented ‘products’ where said consumers need product support, and said product needs a specific marketing plans to gain attention.
Open source ‘things’ (as in, an entire product, not just a singular component of it), tends to do far better in IT and tech oriented landscapes. Of which there are countless examples.