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I’ve had footpath on my phone for a long time. I really like it, but I’ve neglected as it was (used to be…) too much work to really get it somewhere I could actually use it. That new trick of being able to load the route into Garmin Connect directly is a major game changer. Thanks for the heads up!!
I actually don’t mind too much the new Garmin option. I agree that it’s a bit cumbersome to add waypoints but after you’re done. No exporting, importing, etc. You send it over to your device and done.
Hi,
I use the (in my opinion) quite similar service from https://dynamic.watch since long time. It is not that of a hassle to create routes on the smartphone (or PC). I use it on business trips and vacations to create roundtrips for running or cycling. The automatic routing options are amazing. Back then I decided to give them a one time payment for the lifetime access and did not since.
It theoretically also gives you maps on the Fenix 5 but this did not work to well in my test. This app might be one of view reasons why I am thinking of upgrading my Fenix 5 to a Plus with Maps.
Anybody some benefits of footprint in comparison to dynamic?
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I also use dynamic.watch with a lifetime license of $30. I mean that dynamic.watch is by far the best routing service/app in the market. It uses OpenStreetMap and routing from Graphhopper (foot, touring bike, racer, mtb) and the map is more detailed than that in Strava. The way you draw your route is so easy and changes during drawing, adding way points and so on are the best. Press save and start your Garmin Edge and the route shows up. No cables/exporting needed. There is a feature coming up allowing you to overlay your own map. I will show a layer with paved roads. Try it!
It’s strange that some I expect some things to be subscription based and some just shouldn’t be. I think when I’m paying for access to a platform (Training Peaks, Strava, Zwift) it makes sense. When I’m paying for an app, like this, I just don’t want to pay a subscription. If I was convinced that they will continue to offer me more and new features that’s when I’ll subscribe and when they stop adding or supporting features I’m interested in I’ll cancel. When I just want it to keep doing the one thing it already does I expect to only pay for it once. I don’t want my route creating app to add more features I just want it to keep creating routes. Maybe getting a bit faster, friendly, or flexible overtime but nothing more.
I thought this app looks really cool and I’d glad pay $10-$15 for it one time. Maybe even $25 one time but not $25/year.
I’m in the same boat. Subscription model for that kind of app and with with pricing level sounds ridiculous to me.
Subscription model is the almost inevitable outcome of “lifelong” free updates. Remember when software came in a box? You’d likely buy the same more than once, with different major version numbers, creating recurrent revenue. Successful pay once apps cause a big, short cash influx while the market saturation curve is steep, then nothing. During this period the company usually overexpands, then is forced to either pursue other projects and abandon the app to pay the bills or do things like adding a subscription on top of the full price you already paid, or even supershady things like including malware for money.
Also, you *are* accessing a platform for routing. All the map and routing “data supply chain” is an ongoing process, access to maps, particularly to fancy bonus maps is an ongoing per-user cost (or per use cost) and most likely the routing is done server-side anyways.
The only issue that remains is price, there’s no way I’d pay “half a Netflix” for a slightly different routing experience. I do have some annual sub-five annually subscriptions and I’m perfectly fine with that. I also happily paid the one week option for ridewithgps on multiple occasions when planning a vacation, but no way I’d go “half a Netflix” continuously. (The single route option for footpath is too limiting imho, there needs to be a time window for applying fixes, retrying on connectivity issues etc)
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In the case of Garmin it’s newly rolled out smartphone route creation app functionality is incredibly clunky.
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Can someone tell me what this app is?
thanks.
It’s in the Garmin Connect app: Menu, Training, Courses, Create Course.
I could not get it to do anything worthwhile, but give it a shot and see if it works for you.
Thank you
I’ve used the Garmin routing for running, both the in—app round trip runs and the web based waypoint versions. I find they generally work well though the round trip I may have to try several lengths and directions before I get something usefull. But I use it a lot.
How is it compared to Komoot?
I’d like a comparison with Komoot too. Invested in Komoot worldwide maps a few months back and am generally impressed with its biking and hiking routing, as well as route planning method/UI.
I’m paying GB 10 pounds per year for Veloviewer, which does about 100 times more things, and I use it at least once a week. So I’m happy supporting it.
The challenge for Footpath planner is really “how often would I use it” divided by the annual cost. This makes their one-time fee seem fair, but being asked to pay a one-time fee while sitting on my bike with no wallet seems like a stretch.
I only pay $14.99 per year. I must have been grandfathered in? Bought a yearly subscription last October. Anyway… Love it! I travel so much internationally to new cities and always plan my morning runs with it. I use it all the time.
I have to agree on the pricing model. I think there is a heavy moment to simplify your life. People are dumping cable and such because of the fees, etc. They will pay fees for what they deem fee worthy (cell phones etc), but most things aren’t. I think the app market started out as pay and done. Trying to revert that to a pay as you go model, I think won’t work. That horse has left the barn.
I know myself, I am against paying monthly fees for just about everything.
My problem with the Garmin Connect route creator is that the format requires a larger screen, and of course Garmin can’t be arsed to build an iPad version of their app.
(The same thing applies to the Strava app.)
Thats too rich for my blood. The subscription model on this provides no long term value to me. Looks like a great app that will price itself out of market share.
Just want to thank you for introducing me to Easy Route some time ago. It made things so much easier for me. Works great to transfer to Garmin Connect app, then off to the Edge in no time, with no fuss of file transfers on the computer.
When exporting a route to the wahoo elemnt, will this app insert in the turn-by-turn instructions like Komoot and Easy route? Or on the elemnt will I just get a breadcrumb?
Not sure why I would want to pay $25/year for this when Komoot is a $30 one-time payment for life.
Ps thanks Ray for these app reviews… even if they are relatively short, I enjoy them, please consider doing more :)
Tested it, but I’m not overly positive. Routing is sometimes a bit awkward Pricing is not competitive to say the least.
When I’m on holiday without a laptop, I tend to use Gpsies from the browser (desktop version). Works quite well.
Has anybody managed to use the Garmin course creator to create a route which doubles back on itself? I just can’t get it to add a waypoint on the same road/path that I’ve gone out on.
Create a new waypoint/endpoint somewhere else, then drag it on top of the existing route. Press, wait, drag, lift.
When doubling back, (or going on the road a second time) I click just off the route (just a few pixels), this is with the Popularity Routing, or Follow Roads, and it’ll put the waypoint on the route. Also this is doing it on a computer, not on a phone.
In the app you can just use Personalized tracks option to create a course point by point. I found it pretty good.
An app like this has to be really good to cost anything. If it costs a lot (like this) it should be superior.
Komoot improved a lot during last year. Now it has lots of recommended routes and I actually found many new and really good routes during last trip to Mallorca.
For basic planning ridewithgps does the job well and same price as komoot (free)
“Subscription model”.
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That’s gonna be a hard pass from me dawg.
I agree that the subscription model doesn’t apply here. I already own Footpath (paid $6 a few years ago) and must be grandfathered in, b/c I don’t pay anything and I can export files. i think paying $10-15 for 2-3 years of use seems reasonable.
What about the Garmin Explore App? I have it and it is difficult to use. Plus my Garmin F5X doesn’t even like the files sent to it, which is weird.
Scosche R24 review? It would be great if that thing could off load HRM data post swim!
I haven’t played much with the Garmin Explore app. Sorta on my to-do list. Kinda like the R24 review. Though, I don’t think they’ve added the swim offload yet…still.
I use MapOut since many years. It has nearly the same features and you only pay once when you buy it on the Appstore.
I use footpath in combination with maps.me. Great! I spend the month of september in Norway on my motorbike and drew routes up to 350 km in footpath on my ipad, also offroad, exported it as a KML file and imported it in an old 5S Iphone that i fixed on my handlebar with a waterproof cover (that was very usefull in Noraway!) and it works perfect. Planning a 4×4 offroad trip in Namibia and Botswana in 2020 and will do exactly the same. No need for internet, just make sure you have all maps downloaded, prepare already some waypoints and off you go!
Footpath is not free to use the turn by turn navigation, so when walking it is pretty useless as you have to keep refering to the map.
You can upgrade but it is not a fixed price to purchase but a monthly charge.
I’ll find something else thanks.