Got two and a half quick tech tidbits for you today, as I keep my head down focused on a flotilla of trainer posts for the next 48 hours. All trainers…all the time. Until then, some non-trainer news that will definitely make runners happy!
Garmin FR645 gets Spotify:
While everyone was excited about Spotify back on the Fenix 5 Plus series a few weeks back, many more of you are just as excited about getting it on the far less expensive Forerunner 645 Music that came out last January. In the case of the Spotify update, there was really no surprise it was coming.
Garmin themselves in their original Spotify announcement used the plural variant of ‘wearables’ when they said to expect Spotify updates to their other music-enabled devices. Given they only have two other such devices (Vivoactive 3 Music and Forerunner 645 Music), process of elimination made this knowledge leap relatively easy.
In any event, as of this morning, you can now download the Spotify app for your Forerunner 645 Music via the Connect IQ App Store:
Once you’ve done that, it’ll look like this:
In case you’re wondering how it all works, you can hit up my existing Garmin + Spotify video below. Sure, that featured the Fenix 5 Plus…though, eagle-eyed folks may have noticed a FR645 Music floating around in there. In fact, the apps are identical between the two watches. As is the updated interface. And the menus. It’s all same-same.
I’ve been using both for a long-ass time now, and both work great. No issues when it comes to Spotify for me on either.
Now, I can already see the questions coming. So, I’ll use my same magical knowledge leaping powers as before to answer them:
When will it come to the Vivoactive 3 Music?
Yes, but not too soonish. The Vivoactive 3 Music is actually a different menu interface, given the fact it lacks all the buttons of the Fenix 5 and Forerunner series, and is also a touch interface. So I wouldn’t expect it this or next week, but I don’t think you’ll have to wait a crazy long time either. Again, Garmin has stated in their PR materials and to a big group of mainstream press in an event in NYC it’s coming to all current music wearables. So eventually it will.
What about my [fill in the blank] Garmin watch?
No, unfortunately not. The challenge is that unless you have a Fenix 5 Plus, a Forerunner 645 Music, or a Vivoactive 3 Music, your Garmin watch simply wasn’t designed for music. It doesn’t have the storage capacity on it for music (most other Garmin devices would only have enough memory for a couple of songs), and likely doesn’t have the right Bluetooth components either. It’s a sad, but true story. On the bright side, I think it’s pretty clear that all mid-range and higher Garmin wearables going forward will have music.
What about my Asia-Pacific (APAC) device?
Not yet. Like all other firmware updates, Garmin basically doesn’t love you. In general, if you live in those regions and don’t absolutely need those languages, I’ve long encouraged folks not to get the APAC variants of Garmin devices. Garmin takes forever to update them with new features/firmware updates. Sucks it does.
COROS SafeSound Smart Helmets
Today COROS announced two new helmets, following in their annual fall release of helmets. I currently use their two-year-old COROX LINX helmet I purchased way back when. But last year they announced their COROS OMNI helmets as well.
These new SafeSound helmets though come in road, mountain, and urban versions and essentially builds on the previous helmets in terms of audio quality (in particular, increasing volume a crapton and adding in secondary speakers). Like before though, these helmets have:
– Music via small pods, so it doesn’t block the sound of cars, etc…
– Rear tail-light built into back of helmet
– Microphone in front of helmet, can act as a Bluetooth headset
– Smart handlebar remote included, as everyone likes pressing buttons
– Shaved 30g off of the previous helmets weight (total is now 300g to 340g depending on model/size)
I’ve reviewed the past helmets, and will likely do that as well at some point for the SafeSound units once I’ve had a bit more time on them. I’ve got both the road and urban variants, though, neither are in my favored orange color (they also have red and white). Shame.
For those not familiar with the helmets, the audio comes out via these small pods on the side of the helmets that rest against your jawbone. [Updated] Previously this was with jawbone induction, but it’s actually not here (despite looking almost identical to the prior one). Instead, it’s purely a small speaker coming out the pipe-like portion, as well as a bit of sound leaking through the pod piece. In fact, initially when I tested I assumed it was the same as before because if I press the pods to my jawbone it makes the sound much clearer. But in this case that was pure chance.
However, you’ll notice with the SafeSound models, it has what appears to be a small secondary output that pipes upwards towards your ear. It doesn’t go into your ears (or at least, not mine or The Girl’s), but rather sits on the edge like a speaker pipe of sorts.
This clearly increased volume a crap-ton compared to my LINX helmet. It makes sense though, it’s basically two speakers in one now. Also, the speaker pods are definitely smaller too.
Like before, you’ve got the COROS app to control pairings and other settings, including getting the remote all connected up (and even updating firmware).
Meanwhile, on the back is a new taillight, which is positioned a bit better/higher than previous ones. Though, it’s only a flasher (always flashing, or off), so it can’t be set to the always-on position unfortunately.
I haven’t had time to put together a whole video on the audio quality yet of the SafeSound, including the speaker side. Though, I was blown away with how good microphone quality sounded while riding with my LINX helmet (note: I don’t recommend taking corporate conference calls mid-ride). You can watch my older video on that below:
Note that neither includes MIPS technology, which is something that’s certainly become more and more popular in recent years in helmets. Certainly the big (and solidly independent) study from Virginia Tech this past spring found that all its top performers were MIPS enabled. COROS was not included in that study, so we don’t know one way or another on it. Though, I think it’s fair to say that COROS probably needs to consider adding MIPS to their helmets if they want to stay in the performance end of the game. I know many riders (and cycling journalists/media) that flatly won’t ride a non-MIPS helmet.
The Un-Tidbit: Apple Watch ECG:
This tidbit was actually supposed to be part of today’s tech tidbits, but ultimately something changed and there’s no roll-out yet of the much anticipated ECG functionality to the Apple Watch Series 4.
Yesterday, as part of Apple’s announcements, numerous press outlets indicated that the latest firmware of WatchOS would enable ECG for those approved countries (which, is just the US). But despite that information, said firmware didn’t actually include it, and media outlets everywhere had to issue ‘updates’ to the end of their pieces. This isn’t super surprising since ECG wasn’t actually included in any recent WatchOS 5.1 betas.
Thus, I’ve got nuttin’ to show you. More to come I suppose.
I’m actually slightly curious how specifically the feature is region-locked. Meaning, my Apple Watch I purchased in the Netherlands (which is not on the ECG feature availability list). However, the specified region for my watch is United States. So, will it be a hardware lock (based on purchase place), or a software lock (based on region)?
Either way – if there happens to be a DCR Reader that’s in Amsterdam and is a medical professional that has a legit ECG machine (and is a sports geek), might make for an interesting comparison between the two side by side. Assuming my watch gets it.
Anyways – stay tuned!
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Great news regarding Spotify and the Forerunner 645!
Ray do you think there is a chance that the F645 or Fenix 5+ will go on sale during Black Friday or Christmas season?
Yeah, I went to update my AW3 after I parked it on the charger for the night and when I checked on my iPhone there was no update. Looks like they pulled it. I just checked and 5.0.1 is still listed as the latest.
I hear you on the orange color for the Coros helmet – but it did not go well with your new DCR kit… black will look much better. Just my 2 cents on this technical component ;)
As my old friend used to say (and it does not apply to you), if you cant be fast, at least look good
+1 on day glow orange helmets. Or a proper EN1150 certified (high viz) vest in that colour that doesn’t triple your CdA.
Anyone know if this is road legal in France? As I believe “regular” headphones are not legal while cycling in that country and riding four days without music would make Paris-Brest-Paris more daunting than just the distance.
Thanks for pointing out the APAC devices being slow to get this updates, I plan on buying a Vivoactive 3 Music but I’m currently living in Turkey and not sure whether they get the APAC devices or not. To that end, do you know what the model codes correspond to? I can purchase a Vivoactive 3 Music with code 010-01985-04 here in Turkey as opposed to the 010-01985-02 over in the UK. I can’t seem to find out whether those codes differentiate between UK/Europe and APAC. Do you know, or can you point me in the direction of a Garmin source that does?
I don’t know if there’s specific SKU’s (I mean, of course there is, but I don’t know the numbers). However, I believe anytime you plug-in an APAC unit, it actually says ‘APAC’ after it. I’ve never handled one myself, but I think that’s the easiest way to tell.
Looks like software region lock on Apple Watch ECG…
Guilherme Rambo, from 9to5 Mac, has been spelunking through the firmware:
“This limitation is not enforced by hardware, and if you buy an Apple Watch Series 4 in any country, it includes the new sensors. Looking at code within iOS related to the ECG feature, we’ve been able to confirm that its limitation to the US will be based on the software region of the user’s devices (iPhone and Apple Watch).” link to 9to5mac.com
Within the ‘Watch’ iOS app (default Apple Watch control/config/settings app), there’s a region setting there that you can adjust. In my case, I just pretend to be US everything.
Historically, region related features on apple products have been locked to the “region” you set your phone to. E.g. the “news” app used to be available to UK/US, and with my phone set to the Netherlands, I couldn’t get it to work. However changing the region made the app appear. Likewise for ApplePay.
I’m wondering whether ECG will be the same, or a little more nuanced due to the actual approval required.
I think the ratings for the helmets will be a great thing to have. It is so hard to go out and buy a helmet without any time of way to really look at the ratings. Like they said, price was not an indicator or performance. Will be nice to see them continue the test with kids helmets as well. Having three boys that are fearless on their bikes and need to keep their heads as safe as possible.
I am very sceptical about the ECG on the apple watch. It will probably work fine technically but the problem is you only have a 1 lead ECG ( aVL or aVR). A one lead ECG is only really useful for detecting rhythm problems ( altough you’d rather have V2 or lead II for that). I just don’t see the benefit over detecting an irregular heart rate through the optical heart rate monitor. If there is something wrong you’d probably end up having a 12 lead ECG or a 24 hour ECG. I’m also wondering what the sensitivity and specificity of this device would be when the device is available( always tricky with a new medical device…) I bet this feature will probably end up with a lot of anxious people and no real benefit… ( and the gimmick factor…)
Wow, wish these helmets were around in 1945….
SafeSound will detect an impact and the LED tail light will begin flashing S.O.S in Morse code for anyone nearby to identify
Do you know whether Galileo will be available for FR920XT, pls?
My girlfriend has the FR645 and all 3 options (GPS, GPS+Glonass, GPS+Galileo) are available on her device.
… and we do not care much about Spotify… ;-)
For the Coros helmets – can you use Garmin bike computers/watch controls to control the various features/volume, instead of the remote?
Can the Coros connect via bluetooth to Garmin device, which is then connected to your phone?
Not possible with the original COROS, and I doubt it’s possible with the newer ones. You need to use the remote. You can volume control from your phone (I used my Apple Watch to control volume before the left speaker fell out of my COROS and stopped working).
When you have the opportunity to do further testing on the new Coros helmet- I’d like to see how well it works in windy conditions. Wind noise is always my enemy!
Hey Ray, which has better sound quality/volume for podcasts and audiobooks – the Coros Safesound or one of their bone conduction helmets like the Omni? Also, have you tried the MFI helmets? If so, how do they compare?
Thanks
I can’t speak for the Safesound, but I have an original Coros. The speaker quality is only good for background music. You don’t want to have anything you want to listen to playing like a podcast or audiobook because wind noise often drowns out the speakers, even at the highest volume. I had hoped to listen to podcasts, but was quickly disabused. The Safesound looks like it’s trying to remedy that problem, but I’ve no idea if it works or not.
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Apple watch is amazing
Great news regarding Spotify and the Forerunner 645!
Ray do you think there is a chance that the F645 or Fenix 5+ will go on sale during Black Friday or Christmas season?
Last year Garmin put the Fenix 5 on sale for the holidays, and that went well for them. I’d be surprised if we don’t see the same happen this year.
Good to know, I’ll wait out a bit longer to upgrade from my F235 then. Thanks Ray!
Well the Apple update bricked my Series 4 watch, and it seems to have been a pretty wide spread problem.
Yeah, I went to update my AW3 after I parked it on the charger for the night and when I checked on my iPhone there was no update. Looks like they pulled it. I just checked and 5.0.1 is still listed as the latest.
I hear you on the orange color for the Coros helmet – but it did not go well with your new DCR kit… black will look much better. Just my 2 cents on this technical component ;)
As my old friend used to say (and it does not apply to you), if you cant be fast, at least look good
That’s what The Girl says too…
Next version of DCR Kit to match orange helmets?
As a mountain biker who rides where hunting is definitely permitted, I always want my kit to be as close to blaze orange as possible.
Yeah, I’d love an orange kit. Just not sure how many takers there would be for one. :-/
+1 on day glow orange helmets. Or a proper EN1150 certified (high viz) vest in that colour that doesn’t triple your CdA.
Anyone know if this is road legal in France? As I believe “regular” headphones are not legal while cycling in that country and riding four days without music would make Paris-Brest-Paris more daunting than just the distance.
Garmin also announced Garmin Pay in the Netherlands.
They work with maestro cards.
link to rabobank.nl
Nice! Though, sad panda for me, no ING: link to garmin.com
Hey Ray,
Thanks for pointing out the APAC devices being slow to get this updates, I plan on buying a Vivoactive 3 Music but I’m currently living in Turkey and not sure whether they get the APAC devices or not. To that end, do you know what the model codes correspond to? I can purchase a Vivoactive 3 Music with code 010-01985-04 here in Turkey as opposed to the 010-01985-02 over in the UK. I can’t seem to find out whether those codes differentiate between UK/Europe and APAC. Do you know, or can you point me in the direction of a Garmin source that does?
Many Thanks,
Lee
I don’t know if there’s specific SKU’s (I mean, of course there is, but I don’t know the numbers). However, I believe anytime you plug-in an APAC unit, it actually says ‘APAC’ after it. I’ve never handled one myself, but I think that’s the easiest way to tell.
Looks like software region lock on Apple Watch ECG…
Guilherme Rambo, from 9to5 Mac, has been spelunking through the firmware:
“This limitation is not enforced by hardware, and if you buy an Apple Watch Series 4 in any country, it includes the new sensors. Looking at code within iOS related to the ECG feature, we’ve been able to confirm that its limitation to the US will be based on the software region of the user’s devices (iPhone and Apple Watch).”
link to 9to5mac.com
What does “software region of the user’s devices” mean?
I had imagined it was keyed upon what country your Apple ID is linked to….
Within the ‘Watch’ iOS app (default Apple Watch control/config/settings app), there’s a region setting there that you can adjust. In my case, I just pretend to be US everything.
Indeed there is, thanks!
Ray, do you see music/Garmin pay coming to the FR935 in the near future? Or would a new FR935 stay away from the ‘smart watch’ features?
Not to the FR935 directly, it doesn’t have the hardware to do it.
But I think any future FR935 successor would certainly have it (or at least be an option, ala the FR645 & FR645 Music).
Historically, region related features on apple products have been locked to the “region” you set your phone to. E.g. the “news” app used to be available to UK/US, and with my phone set to the Netherlands, I couldn’t get it to work. However changing the region made the app appear. Likewise for ApplePay.
I’m wondering whether ECG will be the same, or a little more nuanced due to the actual approval required.
I think the ratings for the helmets will be a great thing to have. It is so hard to go out and buy a helmet without any time of way to really look at the ratings. Like they said, price was not an indicator or performance. Will be nice to see them continue the test with kids helmets as well. Having three boys that are fearless on their bikes and need to keep their heads as safe as possible.
I am very sceptical about the ECG on the apple watch. It will probably work fine technically but the problem is you only have a 1 lead ECG ( aVL or aVR). A one lead ECG is only really useful for detecting rhythm problems ( altough you’d rather have V2 or lead II for that). I just don’t see the benefit over detecting an irregular heart rate through the optical heart rate monitor. If there is something wrong you’d probably end up having a 12 lead ECG or a 24 hour ECG. I’m also wondering what the sensitivity and specificity of this device would be when the device is available( always tricky with a new medical device…) I bet this feature will probably end up with a lot of anxious people and no real benefit… ( and the gimmick factor…)
Wow, wish these helmets were around in 1945….
SafeSound will detect an impact and the LED tail light will begin flashing S.O.S in Morse code for anyone nearby to identify
At least the Fenix 5 plus APAC has been updated with Spotify already.
Let’s hope it comes to the FR645 APAC with roughly the same lag period.
Hi Ray,
Do you know whether Galileo will be available for FR920XT, pls?
My girlfriend has the FR645 and all 3 options (GPS, GPS+Glonass, GPS+Galileo) are available on her device.
… and we do not care much about Spotify… ;-)
My understand is that’s well prior to the 2017+ chipsets that are getting the upgrades. :(
Great news, Ray! But since yesterday I am checking the Connect IQ market and spotify is still not compatible with my forerunner 645 music.
Do you know why?
Assuming you don’t have an APAC version, it means your FR645 isn’t up to date.
For the Coros helmets – can you use Garmin bike computers/watch controls to control the various features/volume, instead of the remote?
Can the Coros connect via bluetooth to Garmin device, which is then connected to your phone?
Not possible with the original COROS, and I doubt it’s possible with the newer ones. You need to use the remote. You can volume control from your phone (I used my Apple Watch to control volume before the left speaker fell out of my COROS and stopped working).
When you have the opportunity to do further testing on the new Coros helmet- I’d like to see how well it works in windy conditions. Wind noise is always my enemy!
Does the 935 now have Spotify too? I’ve noticed in the last week or so my phone is trying to connect to Spotify when it’s connected to my watch.
Nope, no music capabilities on the FR935.
However, it’s possible that the watch is showing Spotify music via the generic music control option.
Hey Ray, which has better sound quality/volume for podcasts and audiobooks – the Coros Safesound or one of their bone conduction helmets like the Omni? Also, have you tried the MFI helmets? If so, how do they compare?
Thanks
I can’t speak for the Safesound, but I have an original Coros. The speaker quality is only good for background music. You don’t want to have anything you want to listen to playing like a podcast or audiobook because wind noise often drowns out the speakers, even at the highest volume. I had hoped to listen to podcasts, but was quickly disabused. The Safesound looks like it’s trying to remedy that problem, but I’ve no idea if it works or not.