The Week in Review is a collection of both all the goodness I’ve written during the past week around the internet, as well as a small pile of links I found interesting – generally endurance sports related. I’ve often wondered what to do with all of the coolness that people write, and while I share a lot of it on Twitter and Facebook, this is a better forum for sending it on to y’all. Most times these different streams don’t overlap, so be on the lookout at all these places for good stuff!
So with that, let’s get into the action!
DCRainmaker.com posts in the past week:
Here’s all the goodness that ended up on the main page of DCRainmaker.com this past week.
Here’s the low-down on what was covered this past week in the DCR podcast:
– A brief discussion on the new Garmin devices
– How to fix Garmin wonky altimeter issues
– Thoughts on Stages power meter pricing (and the field in general)
– Whether or not BSX is doing the right thing with their Gen2 devices
– Is the extra money worth it for a Fenix3 over a Fenix2?
– Understanding altimeter smoothing
– Who will buy Strava?
– Where will HR optical sensors go with heart rate variability?
– Connect IQ thoughts
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Stuff that I found interesting around the interwebs:
Here’s a not-so-small smattering of all the random things that I stumbled on while doing my civic duty to find the end of the Internet:
1) Death threats, doping and disillusion: The troubling state of cycling in Colombia: Wow. Just wow. Definitely worth a read. Especially the part on what the country’s top official thinks. Unreal.
3) Garmin drops price of Vector by $200 – still too pricey: I’ve decided I’m going to keep beating this drum until someone at Garmin understands: Vector is [still] overpriced (now at $1,299). It’s overpriced because the PowerTap P1 is $100 less and far easier to use and just as accurate. Further, it’s far less fiddly than Vector is. Yet for some reason Garmin believes people will pay $100 more for something that’s more complex to use and more prone to installation errors. Perhaps it’s because they believe people will buy into Cycling Dynamics. And sure, some will fall trap to the marketing. But Garmin really needs to own the story on what on earth to do with all that data. After 2 years you can’t keep claiming “Well, someone else will figure out a cool use for it.” Start by allowing users to opt-in on Garmin Connect to sharing Vector data so researchers/scientists can access it (just remove the GPS track for privacy). Then, try and actually educate people on what to do with the data using informative, long, and well-written posts or documents. Not just 2 minute marketing videos with slick graphics shot in pretty mountain locales. It’s cheaper to produce a written piece than marketing videos anyway. And then finally…drop the price so that it makes sense in the market – I can’t see recommending Vector for any more than $999 right now. $1,299 is just ludicrous.
5) Fitbit Security Hole – Moderate or Massive? There isn’t a question here on whether there’s a security hole – that’s been confirmed, it’s rather the implications of it. Specifically the ability for a compromised device plugged into a computer to infect the computer and potentially associated networks. Fitbit says that risk is low, a security researcher sorta-claims it’s possible (but doesn’t demonstrate that part of the attack). In any case, being in the IT field and having spent a fair bit of time on the security side – it’s interesting given how pervasive these devices are at top levels of government and elsewhere in industry.
6) What is a SwimRun race? Turns out, a lot of getting wet and cold…repeatedly. Interesting little video below on it.
Sports Technology Software/Firmware Updates This Week:
Each week I quickly highlight some of the new firmware, app, software and website service updates that I see go out. If you’re a sports technology company and release an update – shoot me a quick note (just one liners is perfect, or Tweet it at me is even better) and I’ll make mention of it here. If I don’t know about it, I won’t be able to post about it. Sound good?
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Sigh, and Garmin yet again broke Bluetooth sync for my Edge 510. Edge says it is connected to the phone, iOS says the phone is connected to the Edge, but the Connect app is in denial. Garmin software is the worst. Can’t wait to switch to the Wahoo Elemnt…
SRM PC8 also got a firmware update to 1.7.1 which fixed a slew of bugs and has partially enabled bluetooth. BT appears to connect with devices but transferring data is not possible yet.
Release notes
 Device Agent 1.0.169 is needed for this firmware
 Improved battery lifetime in standby
 Added “Sensor battery low” popup message
 Fixed altitude graph y-axis scaling
 Removed automatic switching between ANT and GPS speed
 Speed source has to be selected manually in menu or DA for each bike profile
 Fixed language translations
 Fixed “message box locked” bug
 Improved automatic time adjustment
 Added Bluetooth LE connectivity as client roll
 Fixed Percent in Training Zone Bug
Ray,
The firmware update was announced on facebook and twitter. It also comes through as a notification when the PC8 is connected the SRM device agent or SRMX software.
Would you say Vector 2 would be good value for £770? (New from a retailer) and worth paying the £200 extra to get them over the Bepro? Powertap are £1000 here so even more to get them.
I would opt for the bePRO; certainly in this case of UK based costumer. I live in The Netherlands and received my pedals two weeks ago. Got some minor issues with setting them up, completely due to my own incompetence :-) and got via the e-mail instant and very polite support.
The pedals are lightweight, use standard cleats, have the opportunity to replace broken parts by yourself with relatively ease (see the post of Rhett Butler in “The Queue” on the subject, especially his October 7 post on the matter).
Furthermore I haven’t encountered any problems with installing them without the special tools; just turn the hex nut till it allows you to tighten the pedal another 1/8 turn with a/the standard Allen key and your done.
Dom’s advice to put a sliced inner tube section around the pod does the job really well.
For me its a no brainer with the current costs of the different units.
I have the Garmin vector 2s left side only, and was hoping the price drop would mean the right side upgrade would get a price reduction, but doesn’t look like it. I would have upgraded the right pedal for 500 but 699 seems out of line. Looks like the Powertap pedals are going to be in my future.
Considering that training peaks didn’t integrate cycling dynamics into wko4, and neither cycling or running dynamics have made it out of garmin connect, it is clear that serious athletes and coaches see no benefit in the data. If they did, then this data would have been incorporated into the major platforms long ago.
If garmin do incorporate smO2 into the .fit file as proposed by the connect I updates, it will be interesting to see if that data used by third parties, as there seems to be a bit more interest in that.
And why don’t you take the opportunity to sign up for Celtman!, a triathlon that is organised by the same team of peoples: link to cxtri.com
(The registration window is about to open ;-) )
Disclaimer: I have volunteered for both races in the past…
Polar should fix its Flow app o0n Android instead of focusing on fw updates. It doesn sync via bluetooth (only works once in a while/few tries) + it (the pairing) doesnt work on android Marshmellow at all.
This issue has been persistants for months now and they still havent fixed it althoug users have been outraging regarding this in the official forums as well as on google play reviews which is a shame since its a core function ;(
I used to be a Garmin Vector fan. But the combination of reliability issues, errorprone installation procedure (well, at least the Garmin 2 Vector include the crow foot adapter) and price make the pedals a difficult recommendation at this time.
Cool product two years ago. But seems the world has changed while Garmin stood still.
Dave pretty much nailed it. I’ve got one I keep on Production and one on Dev. In general I tend to use the production one unless I’m testing something specific. Mostly because if I’m dependent on that device for some sort of test data/comparison, I don’t want to lose it if something craps the bed.
But again, sometimes there will be a specific scenario such as a new feature I want to try out – or more rarely a specific accessory combination that Garmin might be interested in feedback on (for example, I’ve got almost every power meter out there, including some that are harder to get).
I am going to keep with my power tap G3 hub. My last wheel build in the spring got a new one for really low price from the builder. If the price of the P1 keeps dropping I may look at it again next year. Ride on!
Yup, it covers the power spike issues folks saw, minimization of the right-sensor drop error message on Garmin units, and a few other minor items I can’t quite remember. Someone posted them to the PowerTap P1 In-Depth Review in the last 24 hours though (to the comments). But the biggie was the power spikes.
When the Garmin Vector system first came out, I told the bike shop it might be worth $700 to $800 to me. My bike is about $4,000, computer $400, etc. Just seemed about twice as much as it should have been. Getting closer. Waiting for under $1,000. Bet by next spring you can get either the P1 or Vector at that price. Thanks for all the information you provide. Very helpful.
As far as I can tell, the Vector price drop hasn’t been applied in Europe… any idea when (or indeed if) it will be? I’m looking at the Vector 2s, retail price in the US is now $700, whereas in the UK it’s still £750 (around $1150…!).
Failing that, if I purchased in the US, and later needed support in the UK, does anyone have any idea how willing Garmin would be to help me out (would I have to ship the unit back to the US….)?
Yes, I was noticing the same thing about Vector 2 from European sellers – same price as last week. The only place where I see the new price is at Clever Training in the US. I wonder if Europeans have to sell off their current stock before they can start selling at the new price. And I haven’t found any European prices for the Powertap P1 that are lower than the Vector 2. But that’s okay, I can wait, a trainer is probably next on my list of purchases.
Garmin pulled the 2.50 firmware for the Forerunner 225. A boatload of problems relating to BT, battery life, system hangs. If anyone wants to revert to 2.40 until Garmin get a working firmware out, there are instructions on the Garmin forums to revert using the webupdater. Worked perfectly for me.
Hi Ray,
Repaired my altimeter of my Garmin 800 using your tip in the podcast of putting it in a bowl. Not sure if it worked because it is now full of water. When I find the right tool to open it and get it working again I will let you know if it fixed the altimeter.
If not I have a good excuse of buying new equipment :)
Anyone know if he Fenix 3 will connect to and record power data from an SRM? The Garmin website appears to have several “holes” in what they show as “features” of the Fenix 3…for example it says it doesn’t do auto lap or let you customize screens, but the manual says it does…The manual is unclear if it will pair with anything other than Vector for ANT Power meter…I’m trying to decide between the 920XT (which appears to be able to pair with SRM)and Fenix 3…I only ride and run…no swimming.
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Glad you are taking Garmin to task on the Vector pricing. Kudos!
nr. 8 – actually you wanted to say: not yet :-)
That mountain biking clip…that is just completely and utterly bonkers.
They are total nutters – but amazing to watch at the same time!
Garmin Connect iOS app had a major update this week
link to buy.garmin.com
Sigh, and Garmin yet again broke Bluetooth sync for my Edge 510. Edge says it is connected to the phone, iOS says the phone is connected to the Edge, but the Connect app is in denial. Garmin software is the worst. Can’t wait to switch to the Wahoo Elemnt…
SRM PC8 also got a firmware update to 1.7.1 which fixed a slew of bugs and has partially enabled bluetooth. BT appears to connect with devices but transferring data is not possible yet.
Release notes
 Device Agent 1.0.169 is needed for this firmware
 Improved battery lifetime in standby
 Added “Sensor battery low” popup message
 Fixed altitude graph y-axis scaling
 Removed automatic switching between ANT and GPS speed
 Speed source has to be selected manually in menu or DA for each bike profile
 Fixed language translations
 Fixed “message box locked” bug
 Improved automatic time adjustment
 Added Bluetooth LE connectivity as client roll
 Fixed Percent in Training Zone Bug
Interesting – is there an RSS feed or central place for their updates to monitor?
Ray,
The firmware update was announced on facebook and twitter. It also comes through as a notification when the PC8 is connected the SRM device agent or SRMX software.
Would you say Vector 2 would be good value for £770? (New from a retailer) and worth paying the £200 extra to get them over the Bepro? Powertap are £1000 here so even more to get them.
I would opt for the bePRO; certainly in this case of UK based costumer. I live in The Netherlands and received my pedals two weeks ago. Got some minor issues with setting them up, completely due to my own incompetence :-) and got via the e-mail instant and very polite support.
The pedals are lightweight, use standard cleats, have the opportunity to replace broken parts by yourself with relatively ease (see the post of Rhett Butler in “The Queue” on the subject, especially his October 7 post on the matter).
Furthermore I haven’t encountered any problems with installing them without the special tools; just turn the hex nut till it allows you to tighten the pedal another 1/8 turn with a/the standard Allen key and your done.
Dom’s advice to put a sliced inner tube section around the pod does the job really well.
For me its a no brainer with the current costs of the different units.
I have the Garmin vector 2s left side only, and was hoping the price drop would mean the right side upgrade would get a price reduction, but doesn’t look like it. I would have upgraded the right pedal for 500 but 699 seems out of line. Looks like the Powertap pedals are going to be in my future.
Considering that training peaks didn’t integrate cycling dynamics into wko4, and neither cycling or running dynamics have made it out of garmin connect, it is clear that serious athletes and coaches see no benefit in the data. If they did, then this data would have been incorporated into the major platforms long ago.
If garmin do incorporate smO2 into the .fit file as proposed by the connect I updates, it will be interesting to see if that data used by third parties, as there seems to be a bit more interest in that.
WOW that swimrun is brutal!!! I have cycled that hill passing those lakes during our Round Scotland bike trip.
About Loch Gu Loch, lookup O till O for the event that inspired it:
link to otilloswimrun.se
And why don’t you take the opportunity to sign up for Celtman!, a triathlon that is organised by the same team of peoples:
link to cxtri.com
(The registration window is about to open ;-) )
Disclaimer: I have volunteered for both races in the past…
Polar should fix its Flow app o0n Android instead of focusing on fw updates. It doesn sync via bluetooth (only works once in a while/few tries) + it (the pairing) doesnt work on android Marshmellow at all.
This issue has been persistants for months now and they still havent fixed it althoug users have been outraging regarding this in the official forums as well as on google play reviews which is a shame since its a core function ;(
Totally agree on the Garmin Vector thing.
I used to be a Garmin Vector fan. But the combination of reliability issues, errorprone installation procedure (well, at least the Garmin 2 Vector include the crow foot adapter) and price make the pedals a difficult recommendation at this time.
Cool product two years ago. But seems the world has changed while Garmin stood still.
Ray,
What do you think of the Fenix 3 production vs beta firmware? What do you use on your watch?
Cheers!
LOL you wrote that like you think Ray only has one F3…
Haha. I should ask him which he prefers but he probably wears both at the same time.
Dave pretty much nailed it. I’ve got one I keep on Production and one on Dev. In general I tend to use the production one unless I’m testing something specific. Mostly because if I’m dependent on that device for some sort of test data/comparison, I don’t want to lose it if something craps the bed.
But again, sometimes there will be a specific scenario such as a new feature I want to try out – or more rarely a specific accessory combination that Garmin might be interested in feedback on (for example, I’ve got almost every power meter out there, including some that are harder to get).
Thanks Ray! I guess I’ll stick with production.
I am going to keep with my power tap G3 hub. My last wheel build in the spring got a new one for really low price from the builder. If the price of the P1 keeps dropping I may look at it again next year. Ride on!
I saw that PowerTap has put out a firmware update for the P1 pedals. Any insights into what this covers?
Yup, it covers the power spike issues folks saw, minimization of the right-sensor drop error message on Garmin units, and a few other minor items I can’t quite remember. Someone posted them to the PowerTap P1 In-Depth Review in the last 24 hours though (to the comments). But the biggie was the power spikes.
When the Garmin Vector system first came out, I told the bike shop it might be worth $700 to $800 to me. My bike is about $4,000, computer $400, etc. Just seemed about twice as much as it should have been. Getting closer. Waiting for under $1,000. Bet by next spring you can get either the P1 or Vector at that price. Thanks for all the information you provide. Very helpful.
As far as I can tell, the Vector price drop hasn’t been applied in Europe… any idea when (or indeed if) it will be? I’m looking at the Vector 2s, retail price in the US is now $700, whereas in the UK it’s still £750 (around $1150…!).
Failing that, if I purchased in the US, and later needed support in the UK, does anyone have any idea how willing Garmin would be to help me out (would I have to ship the unit back to the US….)?
Yes, I was noticing the same thing about Vector 2 from European sellers – same price as last week. The only place where I see the new price is at Clever Training in the US. I wonder if Europeans have to sell off their current stock before they can start selling at the new price. And I haven’t found any European prices for the Powertap P1 that are lower than the Vector 2. But that’s okay, I can wait, a trainer is probably next on my list of purchases.
Garmin pulled the 2.50 firmware for the Forerunner 225. A boatload of problems relating to BT, battery life, system hangs. If anyone wants to revert to 2.40 until Garmin get a working firmware out, there are instructions on the Garmin forums to revert using the webupdater. Worked perfectly for me.
Hi Ray,
Repaired my altimeter of my Garmin 800 using your tip in the podcast of putting it in a bowl. Not sure if it worked because it is now full of water. When I find the right tool to open it and get it working again I will let you know if it fixed the altimeter.
If not I have a good excuse of buying new equipment :)
Anyone know if he Fenix 3 will connect to and record power data from an SRM? The Garmin website appears to have several “holes” in what they show as “features” of the Fenix 3…for example it says it doesn’t do auto lap or let you customize screens, but the manual says it does…The manual is unclear if it will pair with anything other than Vector for ANT Power meter…I’m trying to decide between the 920XT (which appears to be able to pair with SRM)and Fenix 3…I only ride and run…no swimming.