This product has been discontinued by the manufacturer. It's been replaced by the Garmin Forerunner 645/645 Music, you may want to check out that review instead.
The Garmin FR620 is Garmin’s newest and most advanced running GPS watch. The unit packs in everything from WiFi to ANT+ to Bluetooth Smart, and adds a slew of new metrics and functionality. But are these new metrics a fair trade for some of the older functionality that’s been removed?
And quite simply, is it worth the cash over the FR220 which costs roughly half as much? Especially once you consider needing the new FR620’s HRM-Run strap to take advantage of all the new features.
Because I want to be transparent about my reviews – Garmin provided both beta and final production FR620’s, with this review being written on the basis of the final production hardware + software (some photos were taken during the software beta period of course). As always, in the next little bit I’ll be sending them back to Garmin and then going out and getting my own (to be able to support y’all in the comments section down the road). Simple as that. Sorta like hiking in wilderness trails – leave only footprints. If you find my review useful, you can use any of the Amazon or Clever Training links from this page to help support future reviews.
Lastly, at the end of the day keep in mind I’m just like any other regular athlete out there. I write these reviews because I’m inherently a curious person with a technology background, and thus I try and be as complete as I can. But, if I’ve missed something or if you spot something that doesn’t quite jive – just let me know and I’ll be happy to get it all sorted out. Also, because the technology world constantly changes, I try and go back and update these reviews as new features and functionality are added – or if bugs are fixed.
So – with that intro, let’s get into things.
Unboxing:
Before we can use the thing, we’ve got to get it all unboxed.
There’s an outer shell which protects the inner stuff. Below the watch are all the accessories.
Here would be those accessories, or rather, the contents of the box. On the left we’ve got the power cable, in the middle we have the watch plus the HRM-Run pod, then the manual, and then finally the heart rate strap that connects to the HRM-Run transmitter pod.
With the plastic removed, you’ve got the below situation:
As you’ll see in later sections, the FR620 is much lighter than its predecessor – the FR610. It’s also just a touch bit slimmer than it as well, owing in part because the band goes completely flush with the unit when placed on a flat service – versus the FR610 having a portion of the GPS antenna in that area causing a bit more of a bump.
As you can see, the FR620’s charger is completely different than previous Garmin Forerunner chargers, and isn’t really compatible with any other devices in the lineup either. It’s a bit better than the FR610’s charger, but I find the FR220 charger much more secure in that it clips on and can be swung around without fear of the charger falling off.
Next we’ve got the new HRM-Run strap. This is perhaps one of the most important pieces to being able to take advantage of all the new FR620 functionality.
Inside the HRM-Run transmitter pod (which has the little running man icon) there’s an accelerometer which measures movement, enabling new Running Dynamics metrics which I cover in a later section. This is all in addition to traditional HR metrics such as beats per minute.
Also worth pointing out is that while the pod is new, Garmin has stated that they’ve continued to make minor tweaks to the strap itself – trying to further minimize HR spike/dropout issues. Additionally, more work has been done around that within the pod as well (above and beyond what the HRM3 offers).
Finally, the last item within the box is the Getting Started guide.
With that, let’s dive into some of the comparisons with other units on the market.
Size Comparisons & Weights:
Next up lets compare how the size of the Garmin FR620 is to that of other units in the same general price and functionality range.
First we’ve got the standard rolling pin side view. You’ll notice that for the most part the GPS units these days are all roughly in the same size arena. It’s only the ones to the far left that are a bit bigger – the Adidas Smart Run GPS and the Suunto Ambit 2s. And, at the far right side you’ve got the lightest and smallest of the bunch, the Magellan Echo. Except that doesn’t have GPS in it but rather depends on your phone’s GPS.
(From left to right: Adidas Smart Run GPS, Suunto Ambit 2s, Garmin FR610, Garmin FR620, Polar RC3, TomTom Runner/Multisport, Timex Run Trainer 2.0, Garmin FR220, Magellan Echo)
Next, we can turn them up a bit and see the height of each one. The pattern is pretty similar here. The TomTom is a bit of an optical illusion because while the height looks thin on the display side, the button wraps down around the front and pops up a bit. The thickest units overall are the Adidas, Suunto and then the Timex Run Trainer 2.0 (3rd from right).
If I look at the three other units the Garmin FR620 tends to be compared to the most, you can see this a bit more clearly.
The FR620 is of course the successor to the FR610. Below, we can see the two side by side. Display-size wise they’re virtually indistinguishable. The touch button placement has been swapped around a bit, and there’s now one additional button.
The most noticeable aspect (aside from weight) though is really thickness. In particular though towards the base of the unit. You can see how the first bit of the FR610 (silver) watch band as it leaves the display is still a portion of the unit and added bulk, whereas the FR620 doesn’t have any of that extra bulk.
Looking at wearing it, here’s what it looks like on my wrist, my wrist size is 17cm (or about 6.5 inches):
And, for all the smaller ladies in the house, here’s what it looks like on The Girl’s wrist, her wrist size is 14cm (or 5.5 inches) – and she’s tiny – 5’2” tall:
The Girl wishes to convey that she plans to steal my FR620 upon pressing publish on this review. Thus far, she’s been using it pretty much every time I’m not using it (she’s also been using the FR220 as well).
Last but not least, here’s the weight situation. The FR620 weighed in at 44g:
Whereas the older FR610 (metal backing) came in at 75g, and the updated plastic backing at 62g:
Running Functionality and Features:
After you’re ready to start running you’ll head outside and get GPS reception. Unlike past Garmin Fitness watches, the Garmin FR620 automatically caches the satellite locations for the next week, which means that it can find satellites much faster than before. This caching is updated via WiFi and Bluetooth Smart each time you connect the FR620.
To illustrate this in a short video, I’ve started with the FR620 turned off (entirely – which is sorta unusual) and then recorded the process to turn it on and until satellite reception. The red bar on the left side indicates the satellite reception, which turns green once nearing completion.
Typically the unit is already on, so it’s just a 2-second matter to switch into running mode and then enable GPS. So that first portion to turn on from being off took 18 seconds. Then, the satellite lock while sitting next to a tall stone wall/ground took 14 seconds. I’ve seen it even faster when not sitting next to a massive wall.
One pretty cool new feature on the FR620 (and the FR220) is the ability to change how long until the unit falls asleep. Previously it would fall asleep after 5 minutes if you weren’t actively recording an activity, or hadn’t touched the screen. This meant for folks waiting at the start line of a big race, the unit could fall asleep on you. Now though you can change to ‘Extended’ mode, which will in turn shut the unit off after 25 minutes.
So, with the unit on, we’re ready to start running. To do so you’ll press the upper right button, which starts the activity. You can press the same button again to resume it. The lower right button is the lap button. The upper left turns on the backlight. On the front bezel you’ll see a little ‘Back’ arrow and on the opposite side ‘Three lines’, which allow you to navigate through the menus.
Once we’ve started running the unit will display a multitude of metrics, based on what you’ve configured. By default this will be things like pace, distance, time and heart rate. Each page can have different metrics on them, and you can have different pages.
For example, below I’ve configured a four-metric lap page, which shows my current lap distance, lap time, lap pace, and heart rate.
In this case, below, I’ve setup a two-metric screen that just shows heart rate and the HR zone:
In total you can configure four data screens (+ a Virtual Partner and Running Dynamics screen). Each screen (page) can contain up to four pieces of data (or as little as one piece of data). You’ll change all of these within the Activity Settings area, and then Data Screens:
Here’s the full listing of data fields you can configure:
While running in order to change screens you simply tap the screen. The touchscreen can be navigated by swiping up and down, just like most phones. This is similar to the FR610 (but very different from the FR405/FR410 touch bezel). This touch screen has no problems with water droplets (rain), nor with gloves. For fun, here’s a quick little video I shot wandering through the menu with a few different gloves:
As you can see, even with the biggest mitten you can navigate it.
Many people ask about pace stability while using GPS. Below is a short video I took while running with the unit. I’m not wearing any footpod, this is pure GPS pace. I ran for a short distance and then abruptly stopped, so you could see the short delay until the unit shows zero (stopped). The pace number is shown in minutes/mile
The unit can be configured for both metric and statute displays (i.e. miles or kilometers), and in fact, there’s actually settings to change any of the different fields (such as elevation, pace, distance) individually and independently of each other. So you could have elevation in meters and distance in miles.
While running you can configure the unit to automatically create laps, called Auto Laps. These can be setup based on a preset time, such as 1 Mile. I tend to use this for longer runs, rather than shorter ones.
Additionally you can also configure Auto Pause, which will automatically pause the unit when you go slower than a certain threshold – such as stopping at a light for a crosswalk. You can customize the thresholds if they’re too high/low for you.
When it comes to alerting you’ve got a few options. You can create alerts on a number of metrics such as time, distance, calories, cadence, or pace. In the case of pace or cadence, these are typically defined as high/low alerts, where you set a high value and/or a low value (both or individual) and then the unit alerts based upon crossing that threshold:
You can also setup alerts such as the Run/Walk alert, which is common in a number of marathon training plans these days. In this case you setup a Run Time (i.e. 10 minutes), and then a walk time (i.e. 1 minute) and then the unit will simply repeat this duo forever until you tell it otherwise.
Lastly in alerting you have the Virtual Partner. Once enabled the Virtual Partner is set for a given pace (you can adjust it on the fly), such as 7:25/mile.
The unit will then tell you how far ahead or behind that virtual pacer you are, in both distance and time.
What’s unfortunate here is you can’t set a goal time for an event (i.e. 3:30 marathon), nor can you see the predicted finish time based on your current pace (for a given distance/event). I was really hoping to see this given some other units have implemented it lately (namely, the Magellan Switch/Switch Up).
Further, Garmin removed the ability to race against past results (at least temporarily), so you can’t race against yourself nor against any other runner.
Once your run is done you’ll go ahead and tap the pause button to pause it, which then brings you to this screen where you can save the run (or discard it I suppose):
After which it’ll list off any PR’s that you’ve hit for that run. PR’s (Personal Records) are listed for distances from 1KM upwards to Marathon, as well as for records such as longest run. Here’s a few of them:
The only problem is that while it’s supposed to pull your previous PR’s from Garmin Connect, it doesn’t appear to be doing so. So in reality my PR’s are kinda skewed.
All of this information then ends up in the history section if you’d like to review it later from the watch itself.
And of course it’ll get uploaded as I’ll cover in a bit.
Looking at GPS accuracy, I’ve seen good stuff with the FR620. It’s in line with a bunch of other GPS units I’ve paired it up against, always relatively close to each other. Given the accuracy of GPS technology in the consumer space, you’ll almost never get the same measurement from two units (even two like units), but in these cases you see very similar numbers across the board:
Sorry this last one’s a bit fuzzy, it was at night. 26.87km = 16.69 miles. So in this case we had a bit more variance (from 16.19mi to 16.69 miles with the Echo hanging out in the middle at 16.4 miles. Of course, it’s impossible to know which one is right.
I’ll likely be doing accuracy tests again with the large batch of new running watches on the block, since it now makes sense to do so.
New FR620 Running Dynamics Metrics:
The FR620 has introduced the ability to get new “Running Dynamics” metrics, which focus primarily on running efficiency areas. These metrics are only available if you have the (also new) HRM-Run heart rate strap. This is the strap that has the little runner symbol on the front of it, and contains an accelerometer in it (it otherwise looks like any previous Garmin HR strap).
There are two and a half new metrics that come from the HRM-Run. I say ‘and a half’, because one of them – cadence – was previously available via the footpod (and also available in the FR620 internally).
The other two metrics are Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact Time. First let’s cover what these are:
Vertical Oscillation: This is simply how much you (specifically, your chest) goes up and down during each footstep. Basically defining how much vertical movement you generate, measured in centimeters. The less vertical oscillation the better, as it means you’re in theory spending less energy pushing your body up and down vertically (energy which could be used to move your body forward).
Ground Contact Time: This metric covers how long each footstep spends on the ground, measured in milliseconds. Remember that 1,000ms = 1 second. Typically speaking the less time you spend on the ground the faster your cadence. And most elite runners tend to have a fairly fast cadence. You’ll likely see this number fluctuate directly with that of cadence, which in many people’s situations tends to also correlate with speed.
Cadence: This is not a new metric. It’s just that Garmin has decided it was time to make you aware of it. This measures how many steps per minute you take, or, how many times per minute your feet touch the ground. Traditionally this has always been measured in Garmin products for just a single foot (i.e. 90SPM). However with the switch to the FR620 and FR220, all of these metrics across Garmin sites are now shown as both feet (i.e. 180SPM). You’ll note that any previous runs you did now show double what they did before (the change occurred last week updating all old runs).
As a side note, Garmin produced two YouTube videos which were actually surprisingly good. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever linked to a Garmin video in a review before – but this one on Running Dynamics explains it very well with cute graphics and animations.. And the same on VO2Max & Recovery Adviser (which I’ll cover in my next section).
Garmin includes this handy little chart in the manual to help you figure out whether or not your results are good. Of course, they don’t say good, rather, they just label them with non-descript colors so that everyone feels good about themselves.
So how is this information displayed for you? Well, let’s first start off with running. While running you can choose to enable a new display screen called, obviously, Running Dynamics. This screen looks like a small car dashboard:
The data is updated in real-time just like any other metric on your watch.
You can switch around any of these three metrics in the configuration of your data fields. Further, you can add these metrics to any of your other data pages/screens.
Next, post-run you’ll see a few new (and updated, in the case of cadence) display fields within Garmin Connect:
Looking more closely at the fields you can start to see clear trends between pace, cadence, vertical oscillation and ground contact time. Though, I think it’ll be some months until coaches and others can really start to make sense of what this data looks like en mass (sorta like left/right power data).
I say that because if you look at the charts above (from one run), and then compare it to the charts below (from a different run), you see different trends. For example, below you see an increase in vertical oscillation (more bounce) while there’s actually a decrease (faster) in ground contact time. Which is a bit of a strange correlation to have occur. Again, more over time here.
Here’s a close look at each of the graphs from a recent run.
Ground Contact Time:
Vertical Oscillation:
Cadence:
You’ll notice a few little blips here and there. For example that random spike about 80-90% of the way through my run is when a very old man partially fell off his bike a bit ahead of me. I stopped for a second to make sure he was OK, resulting in that short spike. Beyond that I’ve seen the data be incredibly clean while running on trails/routes uninterrupted. However, with city running and jumping on/off sidewalks and around people I see a fair bit more variance. So be sure you keep your running environment in context when looking at the data.
It should be noted that the HRM-Run continues to also grab standard heart rate data as well – so no changes there:
Note that only the Garmin FR620 today can take advantage of the new Running Dynamics metrics from the HRM-Run. The other units can still connect to the heart rate portion just fine, but not anything beyond that. Garmin does not have plans to add this to the now ‘older’ FR910XT, but I suspect you’ll see it in future higher-end fitness units from Garmin.
It’s probably worthwhile noting that the HRM-Run strap produces without question the ‘cleanest’ HR data I’ve seen to date on any strap, Garmin or otherwise. In fact, nearly all of my runs have been very good. This is notable especially because it’s the fall, which tends to be the worst time of year for HR spikes and dropouts due to the cool weather where people are still wearing t-shirts/shorts and thus you tend to produce less sweat than in either summer (hot), or winter (bundled up).
I’ve only seen a tiny bit of initial latency in the first 1-3 minutes, and only if the strap becomes more dry due to excessive waiting pre-run (you’re to wet the strap in three spots before running).
If you’re struggling with past HR straps, this may be the golden ticket from what I’ve seen. I’ve never seen any issues (spikes/dropouts/whatever) past the first couple of minutes with the HRM-Run and running with it the past 30-40 days.
Lastly, it should be noted that at this time Garmin has selected to make the transmission of the Running Dynamics data ‘private’, rather than open ANT+. This means that other companies can’t leverage this data real-time from the HRM-Run to the FR620. However, they can still read the data once the .FIT file is downloaded after the activity (that portion is open).
It should thus be pointed out that it’s a bit hypocritical for Garmin to keep this private-ANT rather than ANT+, especially since they own ANT+ (Dynastream technically), and the sheer success of ANT+ (and to a large extent, Garmin fitness devices – especially cycling) can be owed to the openness of ANT+ amongst member organizations and the willingness of those organizations to produce devices that are compliant with Garmin units (i.e. power meters).
Ironically, if Garmin were to open this up, it’d actually compliment other metrics that other companies are working on – potentially allowing for even greater metrics across the board. For example, the Scribe running kinematics pod I talked about last week.
The Garmin FR620 introduced four new features: VO2Max (to predict/determine your VO2Max), Recovery Check (to tell you the current state of recovery), and Race Predictor (to tell you how fast you can run your next race).
First we’ll start with VO2Max. Your VO2Max is a number that defines your body’s maximum ability to transport and utilize oxygen during exercise. Many consider it a way to identify elite athletes, though there’s certainly cases where elite marathoners may not have the highest VO2Max numbers and can still do well focusing on other areas (i.e. running efficiency).
Still, this number is nonetheless ‘interesting’. Though unfortunately, there’s very little you can do to change it beyond initial fitness. It’s more genetic than trained, and beyond a standard baseline level of fitness you won’t see dramatic (or even major) shifts in your individual VO2Max number. Most people get this number by performing a standard VO2Max test that lasts about 10-15 minutes on a treadmill. You can read about one of my past tests here.
The FR620 attempts to predict this number when using a heart rate strap by leveraging algorithms from FirstBeat Technologies. These algorithms can get you in the ballpark of your VO2Max, and do so in a way that’s much less painful than a VO2Max test (which hurts a lot).
After 10 minutes of running, the unit will calculate a VO2Max value, however, the entire run is considered for the final VO2Max number presented at the end of the run. Upon completion of the run the watch will display it to you:
You can go back and check your current value on the watch at any time from the menu:
This data is then tracked on a chart within Garmin Connect:
You’ll likely see slight variations in this day to day because of a lot of factors that the FR620 doesn’t know about (such as fatigue or sleep). Further, the type of workout you do may impact this number. For example, I have a rather difficult workout coming up on Tuesday and I’m interested to see if it shifts the number a bit (as my other recent workouts were more focused on length rather than aerobic pain).
In my case, the highest number the device has reported is 57, which is a bit below my actual measured VO2Max of 63.6 Though, that measurement was a few years ago – and things certainly may have changed.
So what good is the VO2Max data? Well, that data is directly turned around to give you predicted race times. These times are based on a simple lookup table against your VO2Max and age/gender. Meaning that it doesn’t take into account whether or not you’ve actually run 18-20mi before that 26.2 mile marathon – it just looks at your aerobic capacity. It also doesn’t take into account the realities of race day (i.e. hydration, nutrition, brain-farting, etc…).
Still, it’s somewhat interesting. In my case, it gives me the following estimations:
Which, is actually pretty much in-line for my current marathon PR at 2:54. And for that matter, the rest of my times are within 30s of my actual PR’s. However, that’s merely speaking to potential. In my case, I know I could have run faster that day (marathon). By the same token, I’m sure I was in better marathon shape that day than today.
Still, it gives you a ballpark, and in my case the greater ballpark is still somewhat accurate.
Next we look at two inter-related features: Recovery Check and Recovery Advisor.
Recovery Check is designed to assess your recovery level after the first 6 minutes of the run, and it’ll display a message to you shortly thereafter:
Whereas Recovery Advisor is a post-run message that tells you how long you should wait before attempting another hard run workout.
Further, the watch then counts this down and you can always access the current ‘clock’ to see where you stand:
The goal here with Recovery Advisor being to reduce injuries. Many runners (both new and not-so-new) tend to incorrectly schedule workouts to not give enough rest between hard running workouts. This in turn leads to injury – especially following long runs and the like.
Treadmill Running & Internal Accelerometer:
The Garmin FR620 includes an internal accelerometer (in the watch) which enables the unit to measure both pace and cadence without the need for an external footpod (as most watches previously required).
This internal accelerometer is automatically configured while running outdoors with the GPS enabled (there’s no additional manual configuration). My ability to test this particular feature has been somewhat limited, as only the final firmware enabled my unit the ability to record this data (as opposed to just viewing it). That said, one of the easiest ways to test this is by simply running it through a straight forward pyramid test on a treadmill after a run outdoors (to get the unit calibrated via GPS).
For this test I did a very straight forward treadmill test after completing a short warm-up. The recorded test includes the following:
1 Minute @ 12KPH (it took about 15-20s for the treadmill to get to full speed)
4 Minutes @ 13KPH (7:26/mi, 4:37/km)
1 Minute @ 14KPH (6:45/mi, 4:17/km)
1 Minute @ 15KPH (6:26/mi, 4:03/km)
1 Minute @ 16KPH (6:02/mi, 3:45/km)
1 Minute @ 17KPH (5:41/mi, 3:32/km)
1 Minute @ 18KPH (5:22/mi, 3:20/km)
1 Minute @ 15KPH (6:26/mi, 4:03/km)
2 Minutes @ 10KPH with letting treadmill stop last 10 seconds. (9:30/mi, 6:00/km)
After that first minute, the following 4-minutes at 13KPH provided a nice steady chunk of graph to look at. Further, that pace is just a nice average running speed for me – similar to a long-run pace. And, looking at the graph and paces in that section, it did exactly that. The paces there were within 3-5s/mile – perfectly suitable.
Then, I would increase the pace by 1KPH (metric treadmill) each minute. In theory this would provide a very clear step-ladder of sorts of paces. Here’s what it actually showed: Not much of anything.
In fact, it actually reported me going slower. Now, what’s really interesting here is that you can very clearly see my cadence increasing on the cadence graphs – incredibly clear step-ladder there:
As you see above, once I hit the 5-minute marker, and each minute thereafter my cadence naturally increases (this is common/normal as you speed up). But the pace accuracy drops outs. And, if you were to look at the final two minutes where I was at 10KPH (9:30/mile), the unit actually has me closer to 8:30/mile.
Now, what’s interesting here is that I saw this same sort of trend with the TomTom watch and its internal accelerometer. It was quite good at tracking paces right around my normal running range (i.e. 7:00-7:45/mile). However, as soon as I dropped below 7:00/mile it fell apart. It’ll be interesting to see data points from other users on this and see what patterns look like.
Now of course do keep in mind that calibration of treadmills across gyms and fitness centers is horribly bad (really, it’s rather ugly actually). So that could impact individual tests. However, in my case, we’re talking nearly 2:00 min/mile difference, and the fact that as I came closer to 5:00/mile in pace, it was actually reporting I was getting even slower than my baseline pace. I assure you, my little heart begs to differ.
I suspect what’s happening is some portion of my arm swing changes at these higher speeds and thus throws off the pace metrics. However interestingly, the cadence metrics (coming from the HRM-Run at this point) actually tracked quite well with a footpod I had streaming cadence to another device. Here’s the two right on top of each other:
You see a bit more noise in the footpod data, which is interesting in that it shows just how clean the HRM-Run data is for cadence.
If the accuracy of the internal accelerometer for pace though isn’t good enough for you, you can always pair any ANT+ enabled footpod to the unit. For example, one like the below:
You’ll dive into the sensor area and then pair the footpod:
Once that’s done you can go ahead and specify the calibration factor if you know it:
At that point you’re pretty much good to go. Likely when in indoors mode you’ll want to switch off GPS, which is again just a quick tap of the top GPS icon to set it to off. At this point it’ll provide pace, distance and cadence while indoors.
Workout Creation & Training Plans:
The FR620 supports the ability to create manual workouts that you’ll follow on your device and be prompted for each step of the workout. These workouts can have a variety of targets (such as pace, cadence, heart rate and speed), and can have preset durations such as time, distance or just simply pressing the lap button.
The workouts are created on Garmin Connect and then transferred to the device via Bluetooth or USB.
Below, you can see my creating one of my workouts. You can create a multiple of steps, and include embedded repeating steps (such as Work + Rest intervals). The Garmin Connect workout builder is pretty much the easiest and most complete interval builder out there. Incredibly simple to use.
Once you’re done with the workout, you’ll see all the steps listed.
Upon completion you can go ahead and send it to your device via USB or Bluetooth Smart (by pulling it from the Garmin Connect Mobile app):
Additionally, you can also add it to your Training Calendar. The Training Calendar on the device will then automatically show you your scheduled workouts on the day it’s scheduled.
On the unit these workouts will show up after tapping the little Trophy in the middle of the screen and going into the workouts area:
You can preview the steps for each workout as well there:
Garmin Connect also includes training plans for a variety of different goals (5K to Marathon) and sports (Bike/Run/Tri), as well as levels.
Each Training Plan has specific workouts in them which are automatically added to your calendar after you’ve clicked the ‘Schedule’ button. You can easily remove all workouts as well and change plans. The scheduler will allow you to specify either a start or finish date (i.e. race day) and all of the workouts then align to that date.
Here you can see the calendar view:
Finally, on your unit these will show up in your Training Calendar view right next to workouts, after tapping the little trophy:
Structured workouts like those included in the training plans (and via the workout builder) will walk you through each step of the workout, automatically counting down the time allocated for each step and letting you know what the goal is for each step:
If you exceed a threshold, it’ll alert you immediately, like the below. Though strangely, it doesn’t actually tell you whether you were high or low – just simply that you were out of bounds for that portion of the workout. (To clarify: It always shows you the view above, but when the pop-up alert happens as seen below, it doesn’t say “High/Low” there).
Lastly, you can cancel a workout at any time by just simply tapping the three lines on the right side and hitting cancel.
Cycling Functionality:
The Garmin FR620 does not contain a cycling function/mode, nor any way to connect to speed/cadence sensors while cycling. Which differs from the FR610 that both had a cycling mode as well as had the ability to connect to ANT+ speed/cadence sensors.
It does however contain the ability to switch the display metric from pace (usually displayed as minutes/mile or minutes/kilometer) to speed (i.e. MPH/KPH). You can do this via the the Settings > Activity Settings > Data Screens menu, and then within one of your data pages you can select the data field you want to change and change it to Speed.
At this point the unit will display speed (MPH or KPH depending on your preferences) as one of the data fields.
You can also just swap things over to show speed across the board:
The only challenge with this particular workaround though is that by default the workout will still be uploaded to Garmin Connect as a ‘Run’, rather than a ‘Bike’ workout, which means that it’ll incorrectly trigger both PR’s on the unit (i.e. fastest 5KM) as well as incorrectly triggering those on Garmin Connect. You can clear these on the unit itself by going into the PR section and manually removing them.
And on the Garmin Connect side you can go ahead and modify the workout type to be ‘Cycling’ which will then address the issue there.
(Update: Garmin has confirmed that in ‘Spring 2014’, the unit will receive a firmware update that enables a cycling mode with support for the ANT+ Speed/Cadence sensor. Remember that ‘spring’ does technically go well into June.)
Navigation Functionality:
Like the FR610, the FR620 does not contain any form of navigational/course routing. However, unlike the FR610, it doesn’t contain any ‘back to start’ type functionality that the FR610 had around getting back to the start of you run by providing basic compass style directional navigation. The FR610 also provided current GPS coordinates, which the FR620 doesn’t provide. Finally, it provided saved locations. Which also isn’t available on the FR620.
Garmin has stated that they may look to add back some of these features in a future software update, but that they aren’t going to be available for launch.
For users that need these functions, the better choice would be the Fenix/Tactix watch form-factor lineup, rather than the running-specific watches. The Fenix watches focus on navigation, running, and exceedingly long battery life (upwards of 55 hours). They do lack however areas such as training plans, interval, and workout functions. Though, they do contain a cycling mode with full support for ANT+ speed/cadence sensors. Alternatively, the Suunto Ambit 2/2s are good choices in the navigation department, though lack the same training plans and workout functions (and kinda-sorta-barely has an interval function). But, the Ambit 2/2s do make for much better triathlon watches than the FR220/FR620.
Use as a day to day watch, backlight:
(The FR220 at left, the FR620 at right)
The FR620 can hang out in non-GPS mode for 6 weeks, acting as a standard day to day watch. In this mode the screen is automatically locked, and unlike the FR610 simply having your shirt brush the touch screen won’t switch it back into GPS mode.
Instead, you’ll need to tap one of buttons and then you’ll have to touch the touchscreen center unlock button:
From an alarms standpoint you can create a single daily alarm. You are not able to configure it for specific days of the week and/or additional alarms:
In time mode, you can actually configure the background to be black (with white text), or white (with black text). The time will be automatically pulled from GPS, unless you use the manual mode to set it manually.
Finally, the unit has backlight which can be configured to turn on for a specified time, or configured to stay on at all times. For me running in the dark I just turn it on at the start of the run and utilize the ‘Stays On’ option so it’s always there for quick and easy glancing:
Additionally, you can also set the unit to automatically illuminate if/when you either press a button or if any alerts appear (i.e. lap notifications, pacing alerts, workout alerts, etc…)
ANT+ Weight Scale Connectivity:
While the majority of Garmin fitness devices used to support connecting to a small number of ANT+ enabled weight and body fat scales, the FR620 no longer continues that tradition. Based on my discussions with the product team, there are no current plans to enable that functionality on the FR620 (or, the FR220). That said, they noted they will continue to listen to consumer feedback on the issue.
I suspect the primary reason for this is simply the number of users using those weight scales today (unfortunately barely a rounding error on a tenth of a percent at best). Added to that the fact that most of the WiFi scales today far exceed the functionality provided by the ANT+ scales.
Of course, that doesn’t help users of past Garmin devices that have purchased those ANT+ scales solely for the purpose of connecting them to Garmin devices (the only company that truly ever lit up that scenario via ANT+ ). Given it would be Garmin’s goal to convert those users into FR620/FR220 users, I would think that it might benefit them to as a gesture of goodwill to look at an update down the road to connect to the scale (it’s just a firmware change).
As a side effect, this pretty much kills any ANT+ scales going forward. Which, shouldn’t really be a major surprise. Even Bluetooth scales aren’t really a great solution. Neither protocol really fits the bill for scales compared to WiFi, especially since virtually nobody would travel with their scale – meaning that it’s always going to be hanging out in a single place with easy WiFi access.
Waterproofing:
The Garmin FR620 is fully waterproofed to 50 meters (150ft). And, unlike most past Garmin running specific watches (usually minimal IPX7 waterproofing), the FR620 is more than fine on your wrist while swimming (though it won’t capture any metrics).
In my testing with the unit in various water-filled situations such as brief swimming bouts, running long runs in the rain, and showers, I’ve seen no issues. With the similar body designed FR220 I’ve spent even more time in the water, doing openwater swims in salt water as well (for up to two hours in the water), without any issues.
Going forward into December I’ll be bringing both the FR220 and the FR620 down to 33m (~100ft deep) in an indoor facility designed for exactly this sort of thing, to test out the waterproofing myself. Should be fun!
Live Tracking & Mobile Phone Upload Functionality:
The Garmin FR620 includes the ability to connect via Bluetooth Smart to your mobile phone to upload workouts immediately upon completion, as well as to provide streaming live tracking of your run to family and friends. You can share out the link automatically via e-mail or social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook. This of course does require your phone be present with you the entire run for live tracking during the run.
We first saw this technology in the Garmin Edge 510 and Edge 810 last January. In that case however, the units used older Bluetooth chips which meant compatibility with older phones. With Bluetooth Smart being used here in the FR620, you’ll need an iPhone 4s or newer in order to take advantage of the uploads and connectivity. At this time, Android is not supported. Again, Android is not supported today. This is largely because the Android Bluetooth Smart story/support has been a complete cluster until recently (notably, Android OS version 4.3). Thus, it’s really only been the last couple of months that we’ve see that hit handsets, and even now for example, Samsung users in the US on AT&T only got it last week. Remember that Bluetooth Smart is a subset of Bluetooth 4.0. So it’s not only a case of ensuring your phone physically contains a Bluetooth 4.0 chipset, but also that the handset is running Android 4.3. And of course, beyond that, getting the app to support it (which, it doesn’t today).
At any rate, Android aside, here’s how it works on the iPhone.
First up is the pairing. Unlike other Bluetooth devices, you won’t be doing this from the Bluetooth Control panel (beyond ensuring Bluetooth is simply enabled on your phone). Instead, you’ll do it from the Garmin Connect Mobile app (download it first, it’s free). Then, once you’ve got that installed and signed into your Garmin Connect app, you’ll start the wizard:
Meanwhile, on the phone you’ll go into the Bluetooth settings to get that all enabled and paired:
Once you’ve got those two pieces completed, you’ve got a few options. The primary use here is really on the Live Tracking side, which the FR620 does as long as your phone is within Bluetooth range of your FR620. In this mode you’ll create a Live Tracking session for your run. This can be named anything you’d like, or, if you leave it as the default it’ll just autogenerate a name based on the date.
Next, you’ll setup who you want to invite. In my case, I’ve configured it to always send a notification to my Coach, my wife, and myself (just for the heck of it). This is sent via e-mail and gives a link that they can click on (more on that in a second). Additionally, you can configure notifications to Facebook and Twitter. You’ll see an option to extend sharing. I always set this. This means that upon completion of the activity your friends/family will still be able to see that you’ve finished for up to 24 hours. Otherwise, it’ll kill the session as soon you press Stop/Save.
Once that’s all ready to go, you’ll go ahead and start the live tracking session. Note that you need not start it at the same time as pressing the watch start button. This allows you to start it on your phone, and then stash your phone away (armband, CamelBak, Spibelt, etc…). Think of this like starting your car. It doesn’t actually go and drive anywhere until you put it in ‘drive’ (in this case, pressing start on the FR620 for your activity).
Once you’ve started, you’ll see two little icons at the top indicating that Bluetooth is connected.
Meanwhile, your friends and family will receive an e-mail with tracking information:
When they click on said link, they’ll be brought to a simple tracking page:
This page also works just as well from a mobile device as well (screenshot courtesy my coach):
The page can be switched between MPH/KPH and Pace, as well as through the different formats such as kilometers or statute.
The live tracking updates every 30 or 60 seconds (I’ve seen both), and will graph your ANT+ data as well, including heart rate, cadence, and if you have the HRM-Run, that information too (vertical oscillation for example, added in the last few days). If you hover over any of the sections on the graphs you’ll get stats about that particular data point.
Additionally, you can swap between standard maps and satellite maps.
Along the way it’ll plot markers every mile. It doesn’t show any lap information you’ve set however, it just beats to its own drum:
Overall, the tracking seems to be working quite well. I’ve been tracking my wife’s runs, and my coach has been tracking all my runs the last 7-10 days or so without issue.
Upon completion of the activity a banner will display that the user has completed the run:
And, upon completion the activity will be uploaded to Garmin Connect via the Bluetooth Connection on the phone. This is accomplished when the ‘Auto Upload’ option is enabled. Note that it first uploads from the device to the phone, and then from the phone to Garmin Connect. Below, you see it uploading first from the FR620 to the phone. Then, once that’s complete (takes about 30 seconds), you’ll see a little ‘Up’ arrow icon, which then indicates it’ll move over to Garmin Connect online.
Now, I have noticed a few oddities/bugs with the app in my testing.
– I can’t get it to Tweet out my run for Live Tracking, no matter how hard I try. It says it’s going to, but it never does. In poking around Twitter, it appears other peoples are working fine, so perhaps it’s just me. I’ve tried deleting the app, deleting my Twitter account of the phone, and everything in between. Multiple times over. No love.Update: I got this fixed. It turned out I had to revoke the App from the Twitter.com Settings page (not my phone), and then re-set everything. Good to go there!
– I’m getting intermittent failures on the run actually uploading to Garmin Connect (post-run, live tracking is fine/separate). I’m reasonably sure this was working just fine the first few days, but now it seems to be failing to upload the workouts. Update: Now, this seems to be working just fine for me again as of Nov 19th, 2013.
– Added: Calibration of footpod: In my testing, I had calibration values shown when I used the footpod. However, in recent builds, it doesn’t seem to be updating the calibration value from outdoor GPS runs. Thus you have to manually calibrate (a pain, involves math, kinda stupid). If you use the footpod in the current firmware with GPS, you’ll get inaccurate data because the footpod will be set for 1000 (likely incorrect for you), and will override GPS.
Note: For Android support, according to this post from Garmin’s product support team, they are targeting “Q1 2014” (i.e. Jan-March 2014). As expected, it’ll require a Bluetooth 4.0 capable handset, along with Android Jelly Bean 4.3 OS installed on it.
WiFi Connectivity Functionality:
The FR620 is the first Garmin Fitness unit to include the ability to transmit data via standard WiFi connections. This allows you to upload completed activities, firmware updates, as well as download training plans and custom workouts.
In order to get everything cooking you’ll need to download the Garmin Express Fit app, which is how you configure your WiFi networks.
Once that’s completed and you’ve got your FR620 connected via USB, you can open the application to get started:
It’ll then have you sign-in to Garmin Connect to connect the watch to your account. Once that’s complete it’ll bring you here, ready to set things up, clicking ‘Yes’ would be the proper answer for a successful journey:
Next, you’ll be able to start adding WiFi networks:
You can see them listed out, or you can manually type one in:
Here’s what it looks like once you’ve added a few in:
After clicking OK, a few seconds later the unit will get the settings transmitted to it via USB.
It should be noted that you can also click the little dropdown box to access a setting to automatically clear transferred workouts from the device. I personally don’t do this. The device has approx 4MB of memory (aka 4,000KB). Each 1hr of workout is approximately 100KB, thus, you have 40 hours of workout time on the device. I like to grab those raw FIT files before they disappear. So I’d rather just clean them out manually later.
Next, go out and do a workout. When you return and finish the workout you’ll notice two little icons at the top of the screen:
These icons indicate the unit is uploading wirelessly. Note that WiFi isn’t enabled 24×7, only shortly after the workload completes. This is to prevent battery drain.
If you miss that ‘window’, you can simply tap the connect button on the unit itself (it’s the lower right button), which will then trigger connecting to WiFi to upload workouts and transfer data:
I found that the upload process doesn’t seem quite as fast as I would have expected – about a minute. But that’s fine. If you just do it when you first walk in the door it’s more than completed by time you get to your computer.
Computer (USB) Upload Functionality:
In addition to WiFi and Bluetooth Smart uploads (as discussed in previous sections), you can also just simply plug in the Garmin FR620 and upload the data manually (or, send the data to 3rd party sites).
The unit enumerates as a standard USB mass storage device – just like a USB thumb drive. This is ideal as it requires no special drivers, and works on practically any device in the world. The workouts all hang out in the ‘Activity’ folder.
Once you’ve got it plugged in you’ll go ahead and crack open Garmin Connect and then click on the ‘Upload’ button, which brings you to the below page. From there just click to ‘Upload all new activities’.
The upload process only takes a few seconds and then shows you which runs you’ve uploaded to click on.
At which point, your activities are online and ready to analyze. Simple tap the ‘View details’ link, which will conveniently move you into the next section.
Garmin Connect Online:
After you’ve completed uploading the data to Garmin Connect, you’ll be able to pull up the activity and drill into details. This includes maps, charts, and summary information.
By default you’ll start off at this page, within the ‘Details’ tab of the activity analysis section. Here you’ll see a full overview of your activity with maps that can be customized to use Bing, Google, and OpenStreetMap as providers, and then the satellite or standard map views depending on the locale and provider:
As you work your way down the page you’ll see the summary metrics along the left side. While on the right side you’ll get pods for each of the different metrics the FR620 recorded during the run. These metrics will vary slightly based on what ANT+ accessories you may have paired (such as the HRM-Run ANT+ strap, a regular ANT+ HR strap, or an ANT+ footpod).
You’ll see above that I have laps created every mile. This was because I had Auto Lap on, which I typically enable for long runs. For interval runs I generally control that manually and press lap as I iterate through each of my workout sections. In either scenario though, the laps show up here.
As I dive further down I get to the FR620 HRM-Run specific features, such as Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact Time. On the left side you’ll see weather which is pulled from a local weather station after the fact via a data provider (it’s not from the unit itself). Also, you’ll notice that elevation correction is automatically enabled since the FR620 doesn’t include a barometric altimeter.
Beyond the detail page seen above, there’s also a laps page, which you can dive into more detail about each of the various laps that you’ve triggered:
And the last section being the ‘Player’ view, which allows you to replay back your run and see performance metrics such as pace and cadence at any point along the route.
If you’d like to poke around at one of my recent FR620 runs, you can use this Garmin Connect link here to do so.
3rd Party Site Compatibility:
The Garmin FR620 outputs files in the standard .FIT file format. This means that it’s fully compatible with just about any 3rd party site you’d want to use. Said differently, if your 3rd party site doesn’t accept .FIT files, it’s probably not worth using.
The better/more interesting news here is that the additional Running Dynamics data that’s added to the .FIT file doesn’t ‘break’ any 3rd party sites I tried. Those 3rd party sites haven’t yet been updated to read that data, but they don’t choke on it either. I’ve successfully uploaded to: Training Peaks, Strava, and Sport Tracks.
One item I will point out that’s fairly annoying is that Garmin has decided to produce the .FIT files with a completely useless name. Previously they had the date and timestamp on the name of each file, making it easy to figure out what was what.
Now, it’s just garbage. This is the same as the FR220, annoyingly.
Firmware Updating:
Like most units, the FR620 supports updates to the firmware over time as Garmin releases new bug fixes or additions to functionality.
The FR620 is however the first Garmin unit to be able to handle these updates over WiFi, as well as traditional USB. Further, it along with the FR220 also can receive the updates via Bluetooth Smart from your phone. During a discussion I had with them a month ago, Garmin noted that they really wanted to move towards a platform like the phone where updates are more visible, rather than the existing Garmin Connect system where you really have to know an update is available and go out of your way to apply it.
As you can see above, once an update is available it’ll show up on your unit when you switch into run mode. At which point you’ll have three options.
First, you can simply install it right then and there. Takes only a couple minutes and all your settings are saved.
The second option (seen below), is to defer the update until you’re ready. You might want to do this if you’re just about to head out on a run (Tip of the day: Never update anything – watch, nutrition clothes, etc… – the day before race). The unit will re-prompt you the next time you switch into run mode.
The third option is to simply dismiss the update, which tells it to not bother you again.
Once you’re in a good position to update, just press ‘Install Now’ and the update progress bar will show you how much of the installation has been completed.
Looking at historical firmware updates for Garmin devices, you tend to see more updates just after release, than a year or two down the road. Further, you don’t tend to see massive new feature sets (like an iPhone), but rather, smaller adds.
In the case of the FR620, they’ve previously talked about the potential to bring back things like the FR610 cycling mode – so I suspect we may see that as a good example of a firmware update. Also, you tend to see more functionality adds in the higher end products such as the FR620, than you do in the lower-end products like the FR220.
Bugs and Miscellaneous:
In recent reviews I’ve been adding a bugs section to cover things that I stumbled upon. Because I’ve had the watch for a bit now, I’m really only focusing on bugs that I’ve seen on the final firmware. Remember a ‘bug’ is different than ‘by design’. For example, the lack of a feature is something I highlight within a given section is considered ‘by design’, whereas something not really working right is listed below.
– The internal accelerometer pace data while on a treadmill seems suspect at faster than your norm paces, and slower than your norm paces.
– I’m having some issues with the Garmin Connect mobile app. It’s unclear how many of these are specific to me, or widespread.
– The pace alerts (high/low alerts) seem overly sensitive to trigger, though I need to re-validate this after the Saturday firmware update (no release notes) – [Update: Nov 6th – This appears to be fixed for me in the 2.30 FW release.]
– The PR’s don’t appear to take into account existing Garmin Connect PR’s, rather, are only device specific.
Now, this doesn’t mean this is all the bugs out there. This is just the ones I saw during my running and/or use. As a single person I can’t possible test every possible feature in every possible combination to reproduce every possible scenario. Sure, I’d love to – but companies have entire teams of testers and they still miss things. So I do the best I can to note what I’ve seen above.
Pros and Cons:
While there’s a lot of text here that covers a lot of fairly important details, here’s the super-duper slimmed down version of that:
Pros:
– GPS accuracy seems to be quite good, unit finds satellites very quickly with pre-caching
– Incredibly lightweight for a GPS watch (or any unit)
– Waterproof to 50m (finally!)
– WiFi uploads are awesome, with Bluetooth a good substitute when required
Cons:
– Not convinced the treadmill (internal accelerometer) paces are accurate at all pace ranges
– No cycling, navigation, weight scale functionality
– Some people dislike the color choices offered
Comparison Tables:
Before we wrap things up I’ve put together the comparison charts of all the features of the FR620, compared to the older FR210 and FR610 – as well as the new FR220. You can of course create your own comparison tables using this link with any of the products I’ve previously reviewed.
The tables are updated dynamically and thus if/when things change that’s represented automatically in this section.
Final Thoughts:
Overall I’m quite happy with the FR620, and it’ll quickly become my go-to GPS running watch (I’ve previously always used my FR610 as my GPS running watch). And, The Girl has also laid claim to a unit for her as well (she’s been using it as well). Though, she wants a purple one, just like the purple FR220. I love the WiFi upload functionality, and am looking forward to the integrated live tracking once the app is updated/released. The only challenge with the WiFi upload functionality is that I still need to plug in the FR620 to get the raw .FIT file up to TrainingPeaks (3rd party site).
The Running Dynamics pieces with the HRM-Run are ‘interesting’ right now to look at. I’m not sure what training decisions can be made based on them, but in the meantime it’s fascinating to start making correlations. More importantly however is that Garmin has finally made a heart rate strap that actually works without spikes or dropouts. Heck, that in and of itself is worthwhile.
There are some downsides though – the lack of cycling mode will be a problem for some (admittedly, not me). And the loss of the ANT+ weight scale support is also a Debbie Downer for many ANT+ scale owners. Further, lack of any navigational support (such as ‘Back to start’) is sorta odd for a GPS watch. Though again, I suspect use of these features is just very low overall.
For me though, it’s pretty much exactly what I want in a GPS running watch. A well waterproofed unit that just simply works, day in and day out – with little maintenance overhead and full integration with 3rd parties.
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Hmmm, I’m still trying to decide between this and the 220. I’m wondering if it’s worth it for me to spend the extra money for the fancier features compared if I really need them. I prefer the look of the 620 a bit more compared to the 220… I really like the 620 and and I love the idea of all that it comes with, but I wonder if the 220 is good enough to still be an exciting addition to my running life… Whichever one I get will need to last a good few years, so I don’t want to be disappointed and wishing I had spent the extra for a long-term investment.
Disappointing to see that they have opted to remove the simple navigation features of the 610 in the 620. I really hope Garmin doesn’t think that users should turn to the Fenix if they want features like this, because that kind of navigation is in a whole other league if you ask me. A simple “navigate back to start” is the least they should implement in a watch for this money.
Have not tested on 620, but with 410 un 310xt auto-pause and auto-lap don’t work in workout mode. Auto-lap works in Run/Walk mode (Alarms section). I call it poor man’s interval training.
I talked with Clever Training this morning and it looks like they have confirmed that their shipment is coming on Wednesday and depending when it gets there, they’ll either ship orders same day or Thursday morning at the latest. I’m looking forward to getting my 620 real soon now.
I really want to support Ray and the great work he does here, but if these guys change their song again, I will cancel my pre-order with them and simply walk down to my local REI, which received the product, even though they never claimed they would have it first.
Hi Ray, thanks as usual for a fantastic review. Yet again for the umpteenth year your review has persuaded my wallet to part with its contents as the 620 has just replaced my well worn metal-backed 610. I do have a question though. On the 610 the workout history “Weekly Total” counted my workouts running from Monday thru Sunday (which is how my mind (and training plan) works), however the 620 is counting it from Sunday thru Saturday. Is there a way to change this that you’re aware of? It’s only a minor irk, but irking me it is!
Thanks once again! RR
Excellent! Thanks Mike. I never tried the “format” setting as I thought it was only for formatting the watch. Works a treat though, thanks. I couldn’t find it in the pdf manual…
RR
Apologies if this has been posted already, but with regards to the syncing of personal records, Ive just noticed a ‘Send to Device’ button on the records section of the dashboard on Garmin Connect.
Correct. However, my complaint is that it doesn’t do it automatically. In other words, if it’s talking to the device as part of the upload process – why not update the PR’s then? Seems unnecessary and most users won’t find it/do it.
Well my complaint regarding Garmin PR keeping is the skimpy choice list; 1k, 1m, 5k, 10k HM, Marathon, Longest Run. What about some of the other common distances. 2-5-10-mile, 8-15-20-30k etc. etc. -OR- better yet allow the user to setup/assign their own PR distances.
The only “send to device” button on the entire site does not send PR information. It sends routes to the device, which isn’t currently supported on the 620.
Not on any of the 3 browsers that I have tried on a PC. I have gone over every word and pushed every button and there is no such button anywhere on Garmin Connect, save for the one at the top of the details page that doesn’t work with the 620.
Be sure however that your actively signed in to Garmin Connect, otherwise it won’t show. You know your signed in when in the upper right it says your name, and not ‘Sign-In’.
Thank you SO much for all of the incredibly detailed info, pictures & tips!!!
In the picture you have up under “With the plastic removed, you’ve got the below situation:” and the one two down from that, the display looks like the colors are inverted light/dark from the usual display (so the background is now black). How did you do that and is it possible to set that for the overall look of the device?
A quick question on the wireless transfer of activities to Garmin Connect over Bluetooth if I may. I was under the impression that once paierd the activities should automatically transfer. That’s not my experience. Even though the 620 is recognised as connected within Garmin Connect, the activities are not transferring over. Are there any known frailties here or can anyone shed some light on what I need to do for a successful transfer over Bluetooth given there no push option from the device to the iPhone app? I’m using an iPhone 5S with the latest version of Garmin Connnect.
Understood. What I’m talking about is the functionality to transfer activities from the watch to the iPhone over Bluetooth [and then upload from the app to the Garmin Connect website] as per the following product description “Upload and share [by] connect[ing] anywhere with a Bluetooth low energy-compatible smartphone and Garmin Connect Mobile.” I’d like to use this as I spend a lot of times in hotels and don’t want to have to configure wifi using Express. I assumed it would automatically transfer from device to phone as with the Edge 810.
I am experiencing this, too. This seems like a no-brainer to me, but perhaps the function is not there? That would be very weak…
Ray, would be great to have it confirmed that it is or IS NOT possible to upload an activity to GC via the app over bluetooth post-run (and NOT using the Live Track feature).
I just confirmed it on mine (iOS with iPhone 5s). I completed a hotel treadmill workout indoors where the app was not in live tracking mode (wasn’t even opened or started). Then afterwards while walking upstairs I opened up app, it automatically connected to phone and pulled workout over. First it showed the little arrow icon on the workout, then it uploaded and showed it like all other workouts. I now see the workout online in Garmin Connect.
Two questions, does the new HRM strap reduce the chafing that is caused by other straps? If so can you get a replacement strap that works with the last generation HRM?
Also is there any plan to add a cycling option to the 620?
I’m not seeing the chaffing issues with the HRM-Run, nor is The Girl. But at the same time, I don’t always seem to see those year round. For whatever reason, they come and go.
As for the cycling feature, as noted above in the cycling section – it’s something they’re looking at.
So at this point, there is no way to get access to the original .FIT file wirelessly, correct? Is my understanding correct that the only place that file gets put wirelessly is Garmin Connect and that there is no way to directly access/retrieve that file in its original form? I guess on the bright side, being forced to connect it to the USB dongle will help me keep it charged up.
How accurate/useful do you think the VO2max and recovery check/advisor is? Do you think these functions (and race predictor) are worth the extra cost?
And how good is the touch screen while running and sweaty? I heard people with the 610 having problems with the touch screen, is the 620 better in that regard? I’m still stuck in deciding between the 620 and 220…
Thanks!
I would be interested in how the VO2max and recovery check/advisor & race predictor works? .As you mention VO2max is not necessarily a reflection of performance. I guess its using a formula of pace & heart rate to work out these things, something like TRIMP for recovery.
I’ve have a 610 and one of the reasons I’ve ordered a 620 is because of the touch screen. It works well, once I got use it. Some set up menus with fine, small touch sensative ares are frustrating, but I don’t use them much. The main advantage of the touch screen, for me, is when running, even in the rain or when very sweaty. Once I became accusomed to the process, it’s much easier to change screens with a swipe than finding the button.
On VO2Max and Recovery Check/Advisor, I talk a fair bit about it within those sections, including comparisons to my actual VO2max as well as what it thought for recovery vs what I thought.
Ultimately, it’s all driven by HRV data, so it doesn’t account for how tired you may be in areas such as what your legs feel like.
I’m a little disappointed with the internal accelerometer as a substitute for a footpod. Initial tests show similar results to DC Rainmaker with the pace at fast & slow paces being out. For treadmill intervals I’ll stick with the footpod for now as I’ve a lot of faith in the calicration.
1) I understand that you “only” have the run option on the 620, but in case you use it for paddling would the HRM strap record cadence? I.e. if you stand still and rotate around an imagine axis where your head and stomach is your centre point will you see any cadence then? What about for x-skiing, could you track if you do double pooling or going in diagonal stride…
2) I understand that the 620 can upload data via wifi and that it’s visible as a storage device even on a linux computer… But what about trainings? If you create an advance training on garmin connect can you transmit it to the device on a linux computer?
Do you have any rumours on other devices from the big brands with wifi and support for linux computers? I think I can go with my 305 for some time more… Especially as it looks as alot happening now starting with the Motrola one… Wonder if Google will continue anything on that track…
1) I wouldn’t think that would work well, since the HRM-Run is measuring ‘bounce’ to determine cadence. Thus in the case of paddling you lack such bounce for each stroke. In the case of cross-country skiing, you may actually get some measurement of cadence using the internal unit and not the HRM-Run. Whether that corresponds with reality will remain to be seen. As you might have seen when I tried it swimming – it gave me consistent numbers for ‘stroke’, but not numbers that really correlated to anything logical (i.e. it seemed 2-3 times actual values).
2) I’d have to check on composing just the workout files and plopping them there.
Be sure to check your local running stores if you’re waiting for an online pre-order to ship. One of the stores here in the Toledo area received a few 620s and 220s yesterday, and I was able to grab a 620 last night at their 8K 9.10.11.12.13 race.
Got my clever training email that my 620 is on its way! think I ordered it back on Sept 22nd USPS tracking info hasn’t updated yet…should be here by this weekend or maybe Monday? should have done overnight, I’ve been waiting patiently, but now it would be nice to run w/ it in some nice weather this weekend…
Well crap my FR305 just bit the dust today, can’t bloody believe it!! Battery came up low I recharged, now it simply won’t power up. Might look at repair, but not sure if it is worth it or not.
I was hoping I would have until the spring to decide on what my next GPS watch would be. Currently have been on the fence w/ the 220 v. 620, and have considered the 310 as well. Last month I told myself, if the 310 hits any where close to the 149 mark over the holiday season I may have to jump on it.
Well thank goodness for the internet & youtube. Did a hard reset (reset, mode, power, then power), and she back in business. Good that buys me some time.
I thought I was being smart and ordered from the Chicago Garmin store on 9/17. They usually are the first to get new releases. Guess not with the 620. No word.
About the HRM – new run model. I purchased it as a stand-alone item because of Ray’s experience that it actually does what it is supposed to do – transmit HR without the strange extreme initial readings of earlier models. I have been using the “improved” strap from a few years ago that I think came with my Garmin 610. I also have the Suunto Ambit strap. Neither gives good data for the first 5-10 minutes of a run, and neither works AT ALL in winter when I run outdoors with a base layer, a mid layer, and a windshell. Basically no HRM for outdoor workouts in winter. Until today!! Based on just one run (so take it for what its worth) – not only did the new HR-Run strap function through my usual winter layering, but no weird extreme initial values, no dropouts, and basically the cleanest HR data I have ever seen. So far so good, as advertised and as reported by DCR. Hope to see this continue. btw, this was recorded using my Suunto Ambit. I don’t use the Garmin 610 outdoors in winter because it takes way too long to pick up a signal (very cold standing and waiting). The Ambit is nearly immediate.
Just a heads up, REI online currently (11/13/13 10:50 pm CST) has the Black/Blue 620 HRM bundle IN STOCK and ready for shipping. They have no other version (Orange/White bundle OR either non-HRM version) in stock. I sadly canceled my other orders as I just don’t want to wait on what my not even trickle out before I am stuck a treadmill the next few months.
I ordered the blue/black 620 from REI on 9/23 which obviously has been on backorder until now. I checked my REI account and it shows that my order has now shipped (today) complete with a tracking number, so things are looking up (except for the snow/rain and 30-degree temperatures).
Evidently purchasing through Clever Training was a mistake given their lack of shipping, communication, and how other retailers don’t seem to have these problems. At least I have a useless coupon code….
I guess I’m confused though. Clever has been sending out status updates every few weeks (more recently even in the last two weeks), even calling folks in some cases. They initially set dates in November, based on what was provided to them.
As for other retailers, I’m not sure what you mean. The comment above are full of other retailers (not all of course) promising dates even the next day when that clearly wasn’t going to happen.
If you have an order that’s in that you’re having troubles with – let me know and I’m happy to help.
The only update from clever training has been the previously mentioned useless coupon code from two weeks ago, along with “We expect to begin fulfilling orders Mid-November in the order in which they were placed on Clevertraining.com.”
That was 31 October. If there’s “more recently in the last two weeks” I haven’t been included.
Have you tried calling Clever Training? I called yesterday morning (and waited on hold for exactly zero seconds) and was told that my order would likely be shipping that same day. Sure enough, I got a shipping confirmation email yesterday afternoon and should have my watch tomorrow.
I got a 620 in black/blue with HRM, and I ordered on September 20. I wonder if some of the variation in order dates and order fulfillment has to do with variation in which particular watch in which particular color with or without HRM that people ordered. Undoubtedly, retailers are getting different quantities of each type and have received varying number of orders for each type.
I’m also in the mid-October order from CT club. I’m not upset with CT, and understand they will supply the watch as soon as they get it. Although, I must second the comment about lack of unsolicited shipping status updates from CT. Customer service has been very responsive to emails and calls, but I also I have received no regular updates. I just bug them every few days, and they get back to me.
I’m in Afghanistan and thus unable to call to check on my order. Being here also means 2-3 extra weeks for shipping, longer as we get closer to the holidays and our mail slows down even more.
I finally got a response to my email inquiry from Mariah that basically says that they don’t know when it will ship, and have no other information until I get my automated shipping email. “Outside of this we have no additional details.” Not terribly helpful, especially when others seem to be able to call or email and get at least a feeling for where they are in the queue.
The whole point of a pre-order is to get it sooner, not later. They’ve had my money for well over a month now and can’t even estimate when I might see a unit.
I’m now awaiting confirmation of my order cancellation and then I will order from a retailer who actually has them in stock.
I wanted to support Ray for his excellent reviews, but in hindsight I don’t think Clever Training is a big enough retailer to deal with the demand that his support generates.
Again, I appreciate your support, and am sorry that you’re having to wait. I also appreciate your service.
Ultimately, pre-orders merely saves a spot in line. It’s no different with large companies like Apple. Obviously, Clever Training isn’t the only retailer to get the Garmin Forerunners. And other retailers are struggling to get information from Garmin.
Sure, Clever could have lied to you in their e-mail, but I’m not sure what gain that has. Nobody has been provided quantities beyond this week (really, nobody). Nor, have they (or anyone else) been provided color/type distribution. Any near-term dates people are giving are really just a guess. Garmin is supposed to provide the next set of date-related information next week (and again, it’s not dates that’s actually important, it’s quantities).
No doubt you’re seeing others get units – of course. Keep in mind however that due to the sheer numbers of people that visit that site, anyone that gets any unit is posting here, no matter if they went to a running shop that had two units and that’s it – whether that be in the US or elsewhere.
Again, I’m sorry you can’t get yours sooner. But I do appreciate you trying to support the site.
Has the field “GPS accuracy” really been omitted??
I found that information extremely useful. I never started a training session with my FR620 unless the accuracy was below 10 m. While running the device has always difficulties to catch and lock new satellites.
Maybe they thought that with the pre-caching, it wouldn’t be necessary anymore? However, I would like to have that information.
I’m sure it doesn’t matter to anyone but me, but I wanted to write what upset me about this whole process. I preordered from Clever the second week in October, I think the 16, or 17 or 18, I have to find my receipt. Anyway, I’m waiting patiently, and I understand this is almost entirely Garmin’s fault with the rollout — (even noting that they didn’t deceive anyone, posting a Fall delivery date, so big deal – they still have time to come through with their estimated date. However, they have obviously been out in the wild already, people picked them up at the Expos – even a guy in the Netherlands reported buying one. Anyway, I held one of these, the 620, in my hand yesterday at my local running store in Connecticut. That is what irritated me. I didn’t buy it because, hey I had one on preorder – and based on what Clever said, they will get theirs yesterday and mail out immediately. I waited all night. I check here and see a few confirmations – “hey I got my mailing notification from Clever… yeah” — and I waited. And I didn’t get anything. So I missed out on getting one from their admittedly small first shipment from Garmin. I went back this morning to the store intent on buying the one they had in stock, and of course, they sold out. Mind you its 10:15am as I write this, the store has been open for 15 minutes. What little they had sold out yesterday between the hours of 1 and 5pm. So now, I have nothing. Not even an idea of when Clever may get their next little shipment from Garmin. What do I have to wait a week, two??? This isn’t an “I’m never ordering from Clever again note” but it is definitely a “I’m never preordering from anyone again.” I’m thinking of just canceling it altogether. What do I need another watch for, to add to my collection of 4 already? Maybe I can put that money towards some new kicks, two or three pairs of Wave Rider 17’s…. yes maybe, I hear they are available for pre-order……….
It seems to me that those who ordered in mid-September from Clever are starting to get their orders.
Those, like me, who ordered in mid-October, still have a wait. I don’t see what’s so confusing about that…
Sure, I wish mine showed up before my 10K this weekend, but, oh well — iSmoothRun on my iPhone does a fairly good job, and when my 620 does come in, I’ll have saved 10% and 6% sales tax…
I actually find nothing “confusing” about that – I simply find it irritating. I thought that was pretty clear from what I wrote. Especially the parts where I said I don’t blame Clever or even Garmin who promised a Fall Delivery and will probably come through with it before the end of the Fall. However, I find it irritating that they are out there – and stupid me, preordered the thing for apparently no reason.
Also, I got an email from Clever after I asked about status and Mariah replied that I was about halfway down a very long list of orders.
A Ray has mentioned, this is clearly a case of Garmin not anticipating the demand for the product — and perhaps distributing watches outside of where they have pre-orders — which is somewhat understandable as they surely want to get some exposure in other venues such as the RnR events.
It would be interesting to know how many pre-orders are at Clever as a result of Ray’s followers vs. other channels!
Thanks for the detailed review…exactly what I needed. It’s a very nice watch. I have the 405 and kind of bulky for girls, but it works. I’m glad you posted a picture of what it looks like on a female wrist.
I pre-ordered my 620 from CT on Sep 30 and after sending an email yesterday asking the shipping status (no response) I called this morning. Basically they are still not able to give me an expected date that my unit will ship. I live in Connecticut as well and am wishing now that I would have saved the money for the last six weeks and bought local (as I would have bought this yesterday).
If you pre-ordered, you have to realize that ordering at CT opened around Sept 18th on a very popular and anticipated GPS. Every day that ticked by since 9/18 would have put you farther and farther down the list. If CT had received the 620 at the same time as everyone else (which obviously didn’t happen), those who had ordered very close to 9/18 would receive their order, with everyone else just moving up the list. There just wasn’t any way that they would be receiving the hundreds of units necessary to fulfill every pre-order.
This is the danger of pre-orders. Those who ordered in the first few days will have orders shipped to them whenever CT gets them in stock. The rest just move up the list. In the mean time, people continue to order and their names get tagged to the end of a list that will only continue to grow until shipping stock finally exceeds demand. All the while, stores who did not take pre-orders, were lucky enough to receive units before CT, and who do a lesser volume may have 620’s sitting on their shelves. If you “have to” get your hands on a 620 right now, you can pretty much count on paying full retail. If you want a discount, the price you pay is waiting.
Is there a reason to be mad at Clever Training? You certainly can’t fault CT for not shipping items that they haven’t received. What about CT’s assertion that they would be the “first” to get them from Garmin? Obviously that didn’t happen. If CT was assured by Garmin, at any level, that they were going to be the “first” to receive the units, then shame on Garmin! If CT made that statement without a guarantee from Garmin, then shame on Clever Training! I doubt that we will know which is the actual case. Either way, you can wait and save, or find someone who has it in stock and pay full price.
I think the problem most people have is that the watches seem to be readily available now. Heck, you can go to REI.com and puchase the Black/Blue 620 and have it shipped today. Yes, you won’t get the 10% off (unless your a member), but with REI you get their excellent return policy and guarantee.
Although, with Overnight shipping, CT pricing + discount pretty much = full price. So, the only difference is having it right now or waiting until CT gets the product from Garmin. Clearly, CT is not on Garmin’s A list of retailers, in terms of volume, so it’s not surprising they don’t get served first.
After discussing my situation with CT, they still were not able to tell me what position I was in line waiting to receive my watch. While out on the bike today I stopped at a local running store and bought the 620. Would have been nice to save the $80 and support the site, but I do not want to sit around and watch other people utilizing the watch while those of us who pre-paid for this back in September continue to wait. Great review of the watch, now it is time for me to figure out how to use it.
Just a quick question about the HRM-Run: You mentioned that other garmin devices can read/record the heart-rate data provided by it, but not the running dynamics, which makes sense, since they don’t have the firmware to understand vertical oscillation or GCT, but I’m curious if that includes cadence as well. Since they usually get cadence data from a footpod, will other garmin devices be able to understand/record cadence data from the HRM-Run for someone without a footpod?
Thanks so much again for all your amazing reviews, running & travel stories and all the help and answers to our many many questions!!
REI does NOT have them in stock according to the web site. This is hit or miss. You may get lucky, but the notion that they are readily available everywhere is just not true. Not amazon, not rei, etc, etc.
Martin you are wrong. It says “*Out of Stock” under the drop downbox that allows you to pick the color and model so you assumed that meant all of them. Notice the tiny * symbol next to the Out of Stock… When you select the drop down you see the * next to the orange/white NOT the blue/black WHICH IS IN STOCK.
Well having spent many years in the retail/catalog/internet business, I always thought that by law, no company could charge a person’s credit/debit card until the item ordered has been shipped. I know Amazon follows this practice. The only exception would be “Special Orders”.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong here. The fact that CT or any other company for that matter, is not following this process/practice as other companies do, has me a somewhat concerned.
There is no law that prohibits, nor even discourages a retailer from charging you for an item that is not currently in stock. The only requirement is that they inform you if the shipping date exceeds 30 days, in which case, they must give you the option of waiting or getting a refund. While there are retailers who don’t charge until shipping occurs, it is not at all the norm. It remains such an oddity that the banner, “You will not be charged until the item ships” remains a valid advertising bullet point.
It is NOT required by law and it may not even been “common” to not charge a card prior to shipping however it IS common to not charge a card for the major retailers most of us deal with online: amazon, rei, road runner sports, even garmin itself. I was stunned when Clever Training charged my card back when I ordered the 620 day 1, Sept 18th and frankly I was uncomfortable with a smaller retailer holding my money for so long before who the product would even be available. At the time they also had no warning about charging the card and they later added it. I like little Clever training and have purchased from them in the past but in this case REI has my money and believe it or not is shipping me an in stock 620 whenI ordered only yesterday. Worth the 10% price difference to me but it upsets me because I like to support ray (I have before and will continued to do so when I can in the future.)
David, had you just waited, you would have had your 620 by today and saved the 10%. CT shipped all of their inventory, as soon as it arrived, to the people that were at least on the first couple of days worth of orders.
True, but I didn’t feel comfortable having parted with my $450 to a small company for 2 months with no product to show for it. While I have purchased an in stock item from them in the past this experience was not what I was hoping for although I am watching how they process all you guys it judge how I’ll handle using them in the future because I want to continue to support Ray. From what he says a new system to only charge cards after shipping is coming that would sure go a long way to making me feel better about preorders from clever training.
Just trying to get a little clarity on how WiFi actually works. On my 610 with wireless communication using the Ant Agent, I have to be in range of my home laptop in order to transfer data. Understood. So run data sits on my watch until I get home. If traveling, that data accumulates – unless I’ve got my laptop in tow.
From the review photos it appears that the Express Fit app gets download onto my laptop and then searches for WiFi networks in range. Does that mean the behavior is basically simulating the same process as the Ant Agent? I.E. if I’m at work and have WiFi access but that network wasn’t available when I configured the Express Fit app at home, will the 620 not be able to connect? In my head, WiFi uploads implies that I’ll be able to upload at work, or Starbucks, or traveling, or from any point that offers WiFi access? Does the Express Fit app limit the networks the 620 will be able to connect to based on the ‘range’ of what was available on set up?
The follow up question would be – if I bring mu laptop to work and the Express Fit app is able to recognize the WiFi there, will my 620 be able to connect the next time I’m at work if my laptop is at home?
The 620 connects to wifi networks without needing any other device (laptop or other) once you configure it using your computer and the app. You only need to configure it once per wifi network, and you don’t need to be actually connected to that network with your laptop when you configure. You just need to know the network name/password information for the networks you will want to connect to (home, work, friend’s house, etc) and you can set that all up at home that first time if you want. From then on the watch will automatically connect to all those pre-configured networks whenever it’s in range (you wont need anything with you besides the watch itself :).
You won’t be able to connect to a network like Starbucks, or many hotel wifi, however, because they require a secondary in-browser login to their networks to work, and there is no way to pre-configure the watch for that.
I’ve got a related question. Does the PC running Garmin Express have to be switched on for the WiFi upload to work? In other words, after the initial configuration stage, is the watch communicating with the PC, or direct with Garmin Connect over the internet?
I can not install the garmin connect fit software to my Mac running the newest software. It shows me the possibility to install, but when I get the actual install page, the button clicks but no further. I’m in the UK if that helps!
When I check REI now, it shows all 4 versions as out of stock, but available to be backordered so I don’t know why some show it in stock and others not.
You are probably reading the website incorrectly. Only the color combinations with a * next to it is out of stock. Black/blue doesn’t have a *. The white/orange does.
Got it. I does show the blue/black with HRM as available, but the arrival date is not until the 18th even with overnight which makes me wonder if they actually have them in stock vs a date when they are supposed to arrive. Thanks for the clarification
The 18th arrival date is because rei only promises to process their orders within 48 hrs, unlike most “ship today” stores. Because we are close to the weekend if they ship in 48 hrs you won’t get it until the 18th even overnight because of the weekend. They OFTEN beat the 48 hrs by a lot so you MIGHT get it sooner but they don’t commit to that.
Just checked with REI — order has to be in by 9 a.m. Pacific time in order to ship overnight — so past that window today and delivery shows as Monday for orders by 9 a.m. tomorrow.
I preordered mine from RRS back on Sept 26.I just ordered mine from REI and paid for Saturday shipping (44.95) just waiting on my shipped email.At this point I don’t care to pay the extra money.I am tired of waiting and kinda want the HR monitor version now anyway!
Yeah i just cancelled my preorder from RRS, too much misinformation to get you to not cancel your preorder. One rep tells the truth of it being likely december until mine would ship, but then another one keeps saying no, it should ship our this week, blah blah blah. REI is worth the extra money.
Isn’t REI the same if you are a member, 10% discount? And I believe membership is just a one time $20 expense. But you do have to wait until the end of the year to get the 10% back. And if you use your REI branded credit card, you get an additional 5%. Further, the return policy is pretty amazing at REI, pretty much the same as Costco.
I’ve also been in discussions with RRS about when they plan on shipping these things. I’ve been tempted to order from REI, but their ship to store or ship to address doesn’t work out well for me. So I’ve decided to wait a little more. I’ve even contacted local running store and thought about shopping local and supporting them (with a 10% discount also).
Oh, REI online says 620 Blue/Black HRM availability at their Seattle Flagship store.
Apparently they didn’t make enough of the the White/Orange watch or demand for the White/Orange watch is much higher. Heck REI has stock at all local stores by me in the Black/Red 220.
ekutter- the only difference in price is that i have to pay tax with REI b/c they have stores in texas. RRS doesn’t. Honestly though, the return policy is too good. They’re taking back my defective 610 no problem.
dcv- best of luck for you. the difference for me is $37 in tax. but peace of mind knowing i can exchange it if it’s defective at any time makes me think it’s worth it. i’ve gotten quite a few items from REI and always had good experiences with them. why is it that the shipping doesn’t work out for you but for RRS it does?
matt – it would arrive too late to get any real usage for about 7-10 days, so there is no rush to get it, if I can’t use it… If it shows up at the local REI I’ll think about it.
I’m a girl getting the black/blue. It’s actually one of my absolute favorite color combinations. I have way too much stuff that’s one or both of those colors, especially sports related stuff.. and Im typing this on my blue w/black accents laptop ;)
I’m a girl and I love the black/blue. But I also love bright colours, so the orange/white is pretty sweet. If I get the 620 it’ll be black/blue. However, I’m STILL trying to decided between the 620 and 220… Sigh…
Thanks Clever Training! Got mine today! No shipping notification or anything, so it was quite a surprise. For those wondering, I ordered on 9/17.
And thanks to you, Rainmaker, for the thorough post that helped me pull the trigger. I have my first 1/2 marathon this Sunday. Hope I can figure out how to work this thing by then!
Nice, Letitia! You inspired me to call CT and they confirmed that mine shipped yesterday as well. Hopefully I’ll have it before heading out to Vegas for the RnR Half!
Ray, strange one today not in the manuals or seen before or on here.
I ran 30 min, stopped and saved. Recovery advisor, vo2 max etc all fine. I then started again (basically a test to see how recovery advisor reacted and to emulate 2 runs 1 upload a day conditions) after 1 minute I paused (stopped) the run and got on a ferry to start again on the other side as my heart rate dropped I got a message “recovery 89bpm [12 bpm]” what did that mean?! And any reference? Great review. Thanks.
They’re different things. The recovery message you saw is anytime your HR drops into the recovery zone after you’ve pressed pause/stop but before you’ve saved the activity.
This is “Recovery Heart Rate” message You see on 310xt, 910xt and 610 after 2 minutes on pause.
It shows current HR 89 and 12 beats drop. If HR drops less than 20% in 2 minutes, it’s time to take day off. But that’s only true when You finish workout at >80% HRmax.
I pre-ordered a 620 HRM from Clever Training on 11-4 (checkout quoted a ship date of mid November at the time). After reading the recent comments I realized was wayyyy late to the pre-order party, so I just canceled my order and purchased from REI. Thanks to dcv2002apv2005 and others for the heads up on that.
Really looking forward to getting my hands on it!
For those ordered via Clever Training and have received shipping confirmation, it would be great if you could post not only when you placed your order, but also which color/bundle you ordered.
I think this will help to give people an idea where they stand in terms of the next orders.
Ordered the Forerunner 220 (26 Sept) from cleaver training – received it yesterday (14 Nov).
First impression: I’m surprised at how CHEAP this 300.00 “state of the art” GPS watch feels.
The 210 model seemed much more durable… I’m curious if the 620 has the same plastic
Cheap feel? I did notice the buttons were not plastic – can anyone give me some feedback on this?
So here’s my suggestion… I have no idea if any of the companies would do it though. Create a page with order numbers for each model so a customer can look at the list and see how far down they really are. Shouldn’t take more than a couple minutes to do and it would answer soe of the questions. It also frankly would cause users to place their order elsewhere in the hopes of getting it sooner, but thats happening already. I jut got my 620 from REI.
How about Garmin doing a better job of researching possible consumer demands, especially pre-holiday. And then doing a better job of manufacturing to meet those demands. Trickling what few units they have to the market, has only caused a lot of frustration for everyone.
If this was the cell phone segment, they wouldn’t have made that mistake, as they would have lost the sales for certain. JMHO.
While my primary use for my Garmin’s is running, I do like to use them to track heart rate when I’m doing Insanity or other indoor cardio activities. With the 210, I would simply disable the GPS and let the watch record the activity. I followed the same plan with my 620, but have started wondering if by recording this non-running activity I may be “corrupting” some of the values that the watch calculates. The review mentions the watch auto-calibrating some data points for tracking indoor runs, which is one of the key reasons I upgraded.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Should I be concerned with using the 620 to track non-running activities if I want to be able to track my indoor track and treadmill runs accurately?
I’d like to see an official response from Clever Training on what is going on from a CT representative. I love supporting this site but I also love supporting my local shop. Probably due to this sites connection to Clever Training, they have received more than the average number of orders but apparently didn’t receive any additional units as compared to other big retailers. That is understandable. But the lack of adequate communication is not. The 10% coupon they handed out to some didn’t help CT’s pr either, given that it was pretty meaningless and really offering nothing.
Supporting this site is great and the 10% off is a bonus. But to be honest, the 10% discount is pretty easy to get many places such as REI and RRS. And I’m pretty sure your local shop would be happy to do the same if you asked.
Unfortunately, this whole issue has become the main talking point here, and detracting from the main point of this blog, the great in depth say-it-as-it-is reviews that Ray does.
It looks like CT sent out their orders without explicitly sending an email notification that they had shipped. I confirmed that this morning, via email. If you had placed an order while logged in as a customer, you can always track the order status on their site. Unfortunately, if you didn’t create an account prior to ordering, you either have to ask them if your pre-order has already shipped, or just wait for USPS or UPS. It looks like order placed within the first couple of days are either enroute, or have been delivered.
I’ve been using the 610 and was excited to get my black/blue 620 with HRM from Clever Training last night (ordered on 9/18). I’ve been using the 610 with a footpod (GPS set as primary for pace) for when I run under bridges or on a treadmill. I left the calibration factor at default, and have found that for me it’s very close to accurate (+- 1%), at least as measured by the treadmill I use. I paired my Garmin footpod to my new 620 and went out for a run. I couldn’t find a setting to use the GPS as the primary pace source, but decided not to worry about it. I waited for what seemed like the normal amount of time for satellite connection, although I didn’t time it. I live around tall buildings, so maybe the pre-loading doesn’t help here. I started running and immediately noticed that the pace seemed much more stable than with my 610, although the pace it was displaying seemed a bit fast for my effort. I ran to a local track, did a few laps, then ran home. Upon looking at my activity I really think it was overestimating distance. I would love to run an easy run at a 6:00/mile pace, but I don’t think that’s realistic for me. Also, when I look at how many laps on the track added up to a mile it didn’t seem correct (although the track is longer that 400m – more like 450, so it’s a little hard to tell for sure). Here is a link to my run on Garmin Connect. link to connect.garmin.com
Could the calibration factor be different from the 610 to 620 for the footpod? (note that I didn’t switch the footpod to a new pair of shoes from my last run)
Do you know how I can set the GPS as the primary pace source, and only use the footpod if satellite reception is lost?
Also note that I realized there was a new firmware after my run (I had 2.20 for the run). I’m planning to run tonight without the footpod.
Here is a link to the same activity on Strava that I think confirms the 620+footpod was overestimating distance. The track I was running around is set as a segment and shows my pace was closer to 6:30-6:50/mile vs. the activity showing around a 6:00/mile pace.
Got my black/blue 620 this afternoon, haven’t gone for a run yet. It’s definitely light weight, still think they could have shoved more battery for more uptime into this thing even it added 10-15 grams. So far the clear plastic touch screen has been much more responsive to my swiping even w/ wet hands/screen than my 610, but we’ll see how real sweat & skin oil affects it. Wonder if the clear plastic screen (think it’s thinner than 610?) will hold up to occasional bump? The one thing I’m slightly disappointed about is the screen contrast, compared to my 610 and Ambit2, the 620 background is darker and makes the dark numbers more difficult to see even w/ straight line of sight at the screen. Is there anyway to adjust the contrast between font and background? So far I like the font, again we’ll see how I like it while I’m running compared to sitting here staring at it, but the 2 metric display is definitely better than the 2 metric on the 610. Strap is comfortable, but sort of seems like it’ll eventually wear, but only time will tell. Knew there was a new firmware version available, but it took like 5 or 6 time placing the watch in the cradle before it realized there was one, tried to force the express fit software to check but kept coming back no new update, then it randomly appeared on the watch about the 5th time I took it off the cradle.
Hey everyone, I sent an email to Clever Training today (Nov. 15) to ask about the next shipments of the Forerunner 620.
The company was fairly quick to respond and said they anticipated getting their next batch from Garmin on Nov. 21.
They didn’t say what that means for the order backlog. I placed my order on Oct. 1 and am still waiting, but I believe they’re doing the best they can and have stepped up their customer communications.
Hi Ray, first of all, thanks you so much for these so in depth review !
I signed up to the Paris Marathon 2014 and atm, i still don’t know if i’ll buy the 620 or 220 one… even after your tests :/
This 4 metrics/screen seems good but when some ppl prefer switch off 1 metric to keep only 3/screen… i’m questionning myself if the 620 is really the go-to for me…
Is it worth buying HRM-run with the 220 for example ? (so high HR improvement ?)
Help me… can’t decide -.-“
I’ll be honest, I’ve never quite understood the fascination with watch face display types. As long as it works properly, I simply don’t care what it is. That goes for the super-high end “Sapphire” displays (and like) that one pays extra for to low end.
In fact, I’ve only ever broke a single watch display (the Nike+ GPS), which was glass. And, in all the years here in review comments, I can’t remember anyone beyond Nike+ and 310XT users (pre-bezel change) commenting about broken displays because it was one screen type over another.
There are pros and cons to each, but in day to day sport usage, most of those are moot. You can have plastic and glass both scratch – and both not scratch, it depends on how it’s implemented. Time will tell here. It’s probably worth noting that most of the photos in this review (and the FR220 review) were taken after a month of the unit travelling around in the bottom of my backpack front pocket, which is a scratch-magnet of random junk. Fwiw.
My thoughts are up on Fatmanrunning.net. It’s an interesting watch and I need more time to decide if I like it enough to supplant my 910XT for running.
The iPhone app is out (I just haven’t added it yet into the review, but have been using it the last 7 days). I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) to get a date on the Android app.
I picked up my 620 today from Marathon Sports in Boston. Out of the box it feels very cheap compared to my 910. When running it is noticeably lighter. I think I actually like the square display of the 910 better. At this point I’m not sure if it was worth the upgrade. Wifi/bluetooth is very convenient and the running metrics are cool. Not sure how much use they will actually be. I run for general fitness but am not very fast and do not race. Also the recovery advisor seems a bit too much. It told me I needed 72hrs after a moderate pace but short run.
Hmm, I guess this helps towards my decision between the 620/220. I like the look of the 620 better, but if I can save that much money, the look isn’t the most important thing.
Can anyone About 8 or 9 years ago I first bought the monster that was the garmin 305 which was fine if somewhat bulky. At the time I didn’t know the first thing about either heart rate monitors or gps watches. After some years it began to play up and I remember just before one race was due to start it completely conked out.
My next watch was the old Polar RS800 with a footpod. For quite a while I used to wear it IN ADDITION TO the garmin 305 and sometimes I would have to calibrate the pod post run.
I liked the RS800 a lot but the major issue with it was that as I alternate between 2 different sets of running shoes I would have to keep recalibrating the pod each time I swapped shoe. Also, towards the end the heart rate strap disagreed with my chest and I had to stop wearing it as it irritated the skin so much that it was too painful to wear.
My most recent purchase, about 2 years ago was the garmin forerunner 610. This was seemingly the answer to all the issues of footpods and wearing 2 watches. However, I have had 2 problems with it:
(1) Before long the stitching of the 2 patches on the heart rate strap came away and the heart rate monitor became useless. Even an easy paced run had my heart rate at 210+ bpm.(I tried using the garmin heart rate unit with the polar strap but it wasn’t at all reliable either).
(2) GPS stability. This has been quite variable. There is a training run along a canal which is very flat with no walls nearby that I sometimes use for intervals (or just normal runs) and at certain sections. according to the watch, my pace drops by up to half a minute or more per mile even though I know I haven’t slowed down.
This is my major bugbear here.
With the internal accelerometer, does the gps pace reading get smoothed out on the 620 to prevent this or is it equally jumpy for no obvious reasons? I mean, is it similar to the Suunto ambit which has a smoothing function to prevent this.
I like the idea of the Suunto ambit but not the fact that the pace goes up or down in + or – 5sec/mile increments.
Really not sure which watch to go with next but the pace stability and heart rate monitors are deal breakers for me.
1) HR Strap: See my section above on the HRM-Run strap and the improvements there for drops/spikes compared to previous straps
2) GPS Stability: See the video I included in the review showing the pace stability while running.
The internal accelerometer is not used for pace smoothing (like Fusedspeed or the sort on the Ambit), rather, the signal is smoothed. This is actually good, because the challenge with using the accelerometer to smooth speed is that if you do anything with your hand (i.e. drink water), it hoses up the speed.
Ordered my 620 from CT on 22/Sept. Not received the watch yet and receive an email yesterday that I will not receive the watch at least until next batch on 21Nov. Somebody here said he’ve received already who order on 24/Sept. What’s a company!
There are four different variants of the FR620, and retailers get varying amounts of each variant with each shipment. Retailers aren’t told how many of each variant they are getting until they receive a “pack list” from Garmin upon shipment from the Olathe distribution center.
Is it possible to disable all sensors (ex. accelerometer) except a connected heart rate monitor? I’ve found where to turn off GPS, but can’t find a setting for the rest. This would allow me to use the 620 for tracking non-running workout similar to what I did with the 210.
Is there a maximum value for the vo2max rating on the 620? On my first run it rated me 59. On my second run it rated me 60, and based on the graphic on Garmin Connect it looks like that may top out the scale. Has anyone tested higher than 60 with the 620?
I partially answered my own question… I just finished a run and recieved a new vo2max rating of 61. I’m still curious if the watch has a max value though.
Yeah I’ve gone a tad higher.
AFAIK the maximum ever recorded V02 Max (see link to en.wikipedia.org ) is in 2 figures so suspect it would go up to 99!
When I was somewhat younger I had mine lab tested at 70.5. Not expecting to see that again however :)
Has the 620 displayed a higher number for you? I know that vo2max results from tests can go much higher (Ray mentioned that his was tested at 63.6 vs results from the 620 showing 57-58, and I know some athletes have had much higher results). The graphical chart on Garmin Connect looked like it maxed out at 60, but appeared to adjust to 61. I’m still curious what the firstbeat algorithm as implemented in the 620 would allow for a max value.
Dave
It hovers in the low to middle 60s for me.
In firstbeat’s Athlete software they have got a chart right up to 98 VO2 Max so their algorithm must allow for these superhuman numbers.
I suspect Garmin just capped the upper end of their graphical chart on Garmin Connect at 60.
Any idea why the 620 wouldn’t be able to find a known WIfi when its set up for my home wifi and I am 15 feet from the router??? It will upload via the bluetooth app onto phone but no wifi???
I was able to just pick up one of these at my local running store in Austin (Texas Running Company), but they only had one. You might want to see if you can find one locally if you are still trying to find one.
Initial impression: WiFi is great, good UI, screen is very dim, feels kind of cheap. I haven’t tried it running just yet.
I ordered the Blue/Black with HRM in stock from REI.com last Wednesday night with free standard shipping. Despite warnings I might not get it here in Chicago until a week later they actually shipped within 24 hours and upgraded me to 2 day priority mail for free. I actually received the package today, Saturday.
SOOOOOO…. I rip open the plastic shipping bag like a kid at Christmas and inside is a OTTERBOX IPHONE 4 CASE with a receipt for my $450 Garmin 620! Wow, jaw on floor moment.
I was terrified of the call to REI that they would think I’m some kind of fraud but the agent was great apologizing over and over. They actually still have stock (which I think proves that Garmin did provide REI more than other retailers as I’ve noticed in the past) and are overnighting me the 620 arriving no later than Tuesday and told me to keep or gift the iPhone case. Pretty nice fix to an ugly situation.
Aside from running workouts, can I use the 620 to monitor heartrate for Tabata-type (20 seconds full-out + 10 seconds rest x 8) indoors with weights? I want to monitor my heartrate response to hard interval training.
You could create a workout like that with HR targets, or, since your HR might not rise fast enough within that 20s period, then just segmented chunks for work vs rest.
Can some one send me a sample run output file from the 620 watch. I’m assuming it still uses Training Center or not? I want to see if its still compatible with some custom software I have. Thanks in advance.
I picked up the 620 a couple days ago and am happy so far. I emailed with support and found out the app only supports iphone 4s and up. They said they are trying to have android support in January.
I picked up the 620 a couple days ago and am happy so far. I emailed with support and found out the app only supports iphone 4s and up. They said they are trying to have android support in January.
The iPhone 4S and up are the only iPhone’s that have LOW POWER Bluetooth 4.0 which really is great as it allows a constant connection that uses only a tiny fraction of power, even compared with the old Bluetooth. The Garmin 620 only has the newer lower power bluetooth so it needs one of these newer watches.
Just picked up my 620 from Garmin at the Philly Marathon Expo this weekend and I would add one big thing about the Live Tracking. If you want to use the Live Tracking during a run you HAVE to take your phone with you on the run or it does not work. As soon as your watch disconnects from your iPhone it no longer is able to send data to the live tracking. Big drawback IMO
I thought that Ray made that clear. The watch does not have internal cellular communication (you would add cost (both to the hardware and needing a data plan) and would burn the battery rapidly. The watch instead sends your location to your cellphone (which needs to be on your person) and the cellphone then uploads your location to the web for live tracking. The Garmin site doesn’t make this very clear but I thought Ray did.
I either ran 7.51 miles or 7.99 miles, depending on whether you believe my trusty Garmin Forerunner 610, or the new Garmin Forerunner 620! Why such a large difference? That’s what I’m trying to figure out, as I sift through the data. In a curious note, that same 7.99 miles that reports from Garmin, comes back as 7.6 miles when loaded into SportTracks.
I was using a Garmin foot pod and while the 610 reported very consistent cadence information, the 620 had a very curious spike in the data.
One mile of the run was done on the track, and the path drawn by the 610 data is very consistent, while the 620 track exhibits quite a bit of jiggle. Both devices are set at 1 second recording.
It will take a lot more looking and data gathering before judgement can be passed, but this first run was quite disappointing.
Sounds like the same issue I had when using the 620 with a footpod. I’ve used it for 2 runs without the footpod and it works great. I think there may be an issue with accuracy when using the footpod. I haven’t tried it again after upgrading the firmware to 2.30. What firmware version is yours?
The firmware is v2.30. When the GPS is working, the footpod should not cause any change in the GPS measured distance. I’ll be running again on Tuesday and doing it without the footpod.
There have been many reports were the footpod messes up distance/pace. Sounds like they were so confident there would be no reason for a footpod, with the accelerometers in watch and strap, that they didn’t do proper testing of the footpod.
Ran with Garmin 620 w/ Footpod & my Ambit2 w/ footpod turned off today. Turned off my 620 GPS, turned on footpod, ran 800m on track at end of the 2 laps, the watch reported 850 meters. (Didn’t have calculator handy & had more running to do, but when I got home the calibration factor was 800m/850m = 0.9411176 or about 5.8% long.) Now I continued on my last leg of the run w/ new exercise on both watches, but did not change the 620 calibration factor from 1.000 and forgot to turn off the footpod. I was also wearing Ambit2 w/ only GPS & not logging footpod data. So the final leg of my run was reported on Garmin 620 with 2.98 miles in 24:49, the Ambit2 was reporting distance of 2.83 miles in 24:49. Doing the math 2.98 miles /2.83 miles= 1.053…roughly about the 5.8% long. So I’m pretty confident that if I would have changed the calibration factor on the 620, the distance and pace would have been close to the Ambit2. Unfortunately, can’t confirm this because we have massive storms in Chicagoland and I had to get back inside.
I was curious to see what difference, if any, between the readings of two different GPS units. I ran with my sister and we have the FR305 and FR610 and I was surprised that the distance was exactly the same.
Just got an email from RRS that my ship date is 11/25.
I’ve gotten over my frustration and will now just wait. Was going to try locally or REI, but I will save almost $75 between the 10% and tax. Better in my pocket.
Unfortunately I can not find the VO2MAX-graphic on garmin connect, which you show in your report (“Your VO2 Max”…current,trend etc.). Where is the graphic? Thank you
You may want to read the ‘Navigation Functionality’ section where I talk about the changes there, as well as the comparison chart section towards the bottom which outlines all the exact differences.
“Live Tracking” is not possible with an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S4 with Android 4.3)??!!
I cannot pair with bluetooth…. Does it only works with an iphone?. :-((
Hi,
Greetings from Poland.
Thanks for your review. very helpful. Just one double check – can I enable live tracking mode on G620 without running with my iPhone and pairing it via bluetooth? I hate running with phone (especially when I do speed training) .
For example,what I need to do if I want my wife to know my exact position when I m out there running. Is that possible for her to log into my garmin connect profile and check my position? Thanks for your answer.
Peter
PS. I run with G610 and I am pretty happy with that, however I would not mind an upgrade. Live tracking is the feature I look forward to.
You could start a Live Track, start timer and then put your phone away before you start you run proper. At least your wife would know where you started! If you are doing speed training at a running track you are never going to be far away anyway…
Got my 620 w/HRM from REI on Friday. Went for a run with it yesterday w/Footpod. Didn’t have the footpod calibration factor entered, and it seemed to run about 6-7% long (Footpod calibration on 610 was ~94) which would indicate to me that it was using the Footpod the whole time. I was in an area where GPS recepetion is pretty good so it should have used the GPS data. It seems to be a problem with Garmin Connect software because I uploaded the GPX/TCX Files to a few other websites and the distances were correct (I checked against GMAPS Pedometer). I’m going to try again without the footpod and see if that corrects the issue.
GMAPS Pedometer – 6.1821 miles
Garmin Activity – 6.66 miles
Endomondo – 6.22 miles
RunKeeper – 6.21 miles
Strava – 6.2 miles
Also another issue that I’ve had is unlocking the watch from time mode. Don’t know if anybody else has had a problem doing that. I press any of the buttons and the watch does nothing (no unlock symbol on the main screen or anything). I am forced to shutdown the watch and then restart, then I can put it into run mode.
Also a few times the time mode screen has gone scrambled (see it – Here
and Here.
Anybody else had similar problems? I am running 620 Firmware version 2.30.
Interesting, I would agree. The footpod is definitely doing something funky in the latest FW version (2.30) – clearly overwriting the GPS speed even though it shouldn’t. I’ll try and get some answers this week. In the meantime, I’d recommend not enabling it for outdoor use until a fix is out…sigh.
I ran 10.0 miles today with no footpod. Garmin Connect matched GMAPS-Pedometer, Endomondo, and Strava, all within 0.1 miles.
Also as a test I downloaded the original GPX file (the 6.66 miles with footpod) from Garmin Connect and re-uploaded it manually. It shows the correct distance of 6.22 miles when I did it that way. Hope that helps their troubleshooting efforts.
Wow, I’m not GPS hardware/software expert, but I have been in the IT business many many years. And I just can’t quite understand how & why Garmin seems to fumble so much in an areas that they are supposed to be the best or the experts.
One would think a QA team would have caught most all the basic software glitches. Instead the 1st users end up being the beta test team. The rest of the troops wait & hopes Garmin fully addresses all of the found issues.
At $450, and umpteen generation for the Garmin GPS watch line, one would think they would nail it; consumer focus group, concept, design, testing, implementation, & roll-out.
I also just received my 620 w HRM and just finished a 10k race w the footpod on. The watch gave me a reading of 10.84k which I think is way too big a margin of error, even if I didn’t take every corner as efficiently as possible (as per a previous article posted here). I too will test without the footpod, but this is quite disappointing as I would’ve thought that the GPS would override the footpod, and would calibrate it as per one of the question /answers above.
Is there anything I can do other than test wo the footpod? Am I supposed to calibrate the footpod? Should I just override the activity entry on Garmin Connect?
Thanks for the amazing articles and amazing forum of like like-minded people!
normaly the Footpod has to be calibratet so it can show the right distance. Here is a link to the HowToDo Page. Ok the Page does not mention the 620, but maybe because it is to new. link to fellrnr.com
I’ve just been running without the footpod when I’m outside. Even with it calibrated, it seems like it would still overwrite the GPS data on upload. Of note, if you download the incorrect GPX file and re-upload that file to Garmin Connect it seems to not use the footpod data. I then deleted the incorrect activity and kept the re-uploaded one, allowing for correct PRs. I live in a pretty open area and don’t have too many issues without footpod, however I do like it on the treadmill.
Hi,
Now I am using the wahoo fitness app on my iphone to send the file on garmin connect, strava and other, it is very easy and quick. It is possible to send the 620 data to the app? I think it is not possible with ant wahoo dongle, maybe via wifi?
Thanks
No, you cannot. The FR620 doesn’t support ANT+ uploads (which, is how the Wahoo app uploads it with the dongle). It (the 620), doesn’t support other apps accessing it via Bluetooth or WiFi.
So, only the Garmin Connect Mobile iPhone app can upload from it. From there, it only uploads to Garmin Connect.
There are however sites that will then automagically sync that data to other places, such as CopyMySports.com
I’ve noticed that some of the reviewers are taking the 620 out running with a footpod. Isn’t that what the accelerometer INSIDE the watch is for?
On a different note and as one reviewer said (and as I have repeatedly), I think it is really irresponsible of these companies to release such an expensive, “high-end” product when it is, effectively, still in development. I would like my $450 HRM to work right out of the box, not wait weeks or months for a firmware fix.
Most are because they may have the footpod on already on their shoes for indoor use, and use the same shoes.
The remaining may want it there for more accurate pace information in tunnels (while the watch does it internally, I’ve seen some variance there in pacing).
I finally got my 620 from Clever Training and did my first run today.
Is there an easy way to upload to Strava and Training Peak?
Strava used to recognize the 610 b/c Strava was accessing the ANT+ Communicator Plugin, which now only uploads my Garmin Swim. I had to manually get the .FIT file from Garmin Connect and upload that file to Strava.
TP was easier as I just chose Edge 810 and that gave me access to the Activities folder.
BUT, all of this had to be done while connected to USB…
Connect the watch to your computer with the USB cable. In strava, on the upload page, select the “From File” tab, then press the “choose file” button. Then you need to find the file. It is probably in the garmin\activities folder of the device. As Ray says, the file names aren’t easily interpreted but it should be the newest .fit file.
As for Geir O’s comment, when I have the 620 attached via USB and click UPLOAD in Strava, Strava wants to use the Garmin Communicator Plugin which only talks to Garmin Swim, as the 620 uses Garmin Express Fit.
Thanks for the 2 website suggestions for easier uploading.
I guess my point – the 620 has ANT+, BT4, WiFi and USB connectivity, yet the only way to get files from the 620 to any site other than Garmin Connect requires USB. This is a pain in the butt since my 610 and even my 310XT were easier to use b/c they connected to the Garmin ANT Agent wirelessly and then Strava and TP easily read those files from the Garmin Communicator Plugin WITHOUT physically connecting those watches.
I’m just disappointed that the 620 doesn’t leverage all it’s connectivity to make the upload to third party apps easier. If I’m doing something wrong, please enlighten me.
This does seem like a sizable step backwards for Garmin. To be fair, using either Bt with your phone or WIFI, the file never touches your computer. In the case of the Ant Agent, the file first would get copied onto your computer, then uploaded to where ever
That said, it would be trivial for Garmin to make the .FIT file available at GC. This seems like purely a marketing issue for them where they are trying to reduce the experience of using other software. As Ray mentions, Garmin is definite heading in the wrong direction with numerous proprietary aspects of the 620, from the private Ant messages for the new running metrics, to this private connection format.
Another option which I tried today as did not have my USB cable with me was to upload to Garmin Connect via the iPhone app and then export as a TCX file from Garmin Connect which I then imported into Strava using the “From File” option.
AFAIK the TCX is the “readable” XML version of the FIT file and there did not appear to any obvious data loss – e.g. Strava still noted I had used a 620. Of course they aren’t yet taking the new Running Dynamics data anyway although cadence works.
I looked at Copy My Sports but was a little put off by the fact they seemed to have had a whole bunch of issues recently.
sorry I misunderstood your need to upload without using usb cable. For me it is not a big deal since I like to top up the battery after each run anyway
Tim, the TCX is not just a readable version of the .fit file. Much of the data is there but not everything. For most things, you probably wouldn’t notice the difference, but the .FIT file has extra data and events like exactly when auto-pause kicks in. I’m not positive, but I’d be willing to bet none of the new run metrics are included in the .TCX file.
For those of us waiting on Forerunner 620s from Clever Training, I received another email from them Sunday which said based on the date of my order (Oct. 1) it’s possible that my 620 will be shipped Nov. 21 when they expect their next batch from Garmin. I appreciated that unsolicited update from CT. And, as I have ordered products from them three times before and have been very satisfied with their customer service, I am confident they’re doing their best under demanding circumstances. They also support this website, which is very valuable for everyone interested in outdoor sports technologies.
One the WIFI uploads, it doesn’t work anymore for couple of days. Returning home after a run, upon pressing connect, watch reports “upload already in progress”, but there is nothing found in GC.
That being said, when trying (within WIFI range) to upload runs recorded outside WIFI domain, the watch reports “No WIFI networks found”. Went back to cable… Any ideas? Thanks.
I have had some success restoring WiFi capability by powering the 620 off and on again.
Ditto a router reset.
Used to get similar issues with the MotoACTV although that only tends to come out for a round of golf these days!
Here’s another interesting bit from my first 620 run – Even though I ran over 7 miles, I did not get a VO2 Max calculation. I was wearing the paired Run HRM. I’m wondering if the footpod messed with that bit of code, or maybe there was something that I missed in forcing the 620 to give me a calculation.
Running without the footpod enabled did solve the GPS distance issue, but the internal unit did throw a major spike that is not seen on the 610 with the footpod. That’s the problem with internal integration. Do anything out of the ordinary with you your hand, like answer a phone, take a picture, shoot a video, record a podcast episode, or send a message and it throws things out of whack!
Since I’m (like others) on the fence with 220 v. 620, especially since I’m just not sure I need all the whistles & bells (touch screen maybe). It really has me wondering if the 220 with less features, will simply be a whole lot less problematic v. 620.
Thanks for the review!! Lots of people trying to decide 220 vs 620. Not an easy decission, maybe 620 is getting a bit too complicated if you are not really a pro…
Anyway, I’m really wishing to have both on my hands to test them! http://www.reloj-gps.com
Hi Ray,
I just purchased a 620 with heart rate monitor at the Las Vegas Rock N Roll Half Marathon. I read the directions and put on the heart rate monitor. The directions said it would automatically connect and that I would not have to do anything extra. Right before my race I noticed that the heart icon was blinking and the GPS icon was solid. I had a feeling that the HRM was not connecting and did not realize it until today when I connected it to GARMIN and had all of my race stats except HRM. When I go through the menus on the watch and go to HRM, it says “searching” and does not find it. I updated my 620 to version 2.30.
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Yeah looks like you are correct about Ground contact time and vertical oscillation in the TCX not being there although of course Strava won’t show them anyway.
Cadence is there though and I don’t use auto pause on the device so not sure about that. Strava tries to compute that.
As such I think the TCX has everything useful for me for a Strava upload.
Agree would prefer to take the FIT file being the native file (less chance of any small rounding error too) but was impatient yesterday.
Question on VO2max: during/after first run it has been estimated, and is shown in GC as single point in GC VO2max trend graph. However, there are no point in trend graph for subsequent runs. I can’t find in manual option to disable/enable, looks it has somehow been disabled. Of course I am wearing HRM strap… Any clues? Thanks.
Ray, thanks for looking into it. My understanding is that during each run (where HRM strap is worn), there is VO2max prediction done. These metrics are uploaded to GC, meaning there is for each run a VO2max point available, and it is shown in trend graph (Y-axis: VO2max, X-axis: data). I only have one point in the graph and this has been labeled data-of-first-run-with-620.
Second understanding is that watch does VO2max prediction, and it can be shown on watch display, after saving the activity. However, in my case it shows same number as data-of-first-run-with-620. This might be true, that VO2max is that stable (in reality it is…), but I am afraid there is no VO2max prediction done for each run.
Look my understanding is not in line with watch behavior of the watch. Where am I going wrong? Thanks.
Just a heads up that I’ve added the iPhone App (review) section into the review here (FR620 review), with my experiences (good and bad as usual) and an explanation of how things work. I’ve also added in the timelines specified for the Android side of things (Q1 2014).
It’s in the section called “Live Tracking & Mobile Phone Upload Functionality”
Yup, it shows as allowed. I’ve disabled it, restarted, re-installed, enabled, and every variation of that them backwards, forwards and on three different continents….just in case. ;)
Ah that’s odd then.
Maybe one more thing to try.
Login to your Twitter account from a desktop
Go into settings and, from the Apps section, revoke Connect access
Hopefully this would be reflected on the iPhone sometime after
Try to enable Twitter again on the app.
After having a few days to log a few runs and play around with the watch a little bit I have to say this review is phenomenal. Everything that is changed and upgraded from previous models is covered. Bravo DCR, fantastic review.
Oh man… decisions, decisions! I do not think that I need all the 620 features right now, but I would hate to get the 220 and regret not getting the 620 instead! I’m just starting out running again (used to run a lot, but for exercise; never been in a race…yet) and I’m sure the 220 is just fine, but if I do get more serious, especially around springtime, will I regret not having the 620? It seems a better long term investment to me, as I do not plan on buying a new watch every couple of years. Right now, I do not own a GPS watch (used to have the 405cx a coupe years ago), so I do want one. I just cannot decide! Obviously saving money is important, but along with the features of the 620, I like the look better too over the 220.
Please, DC readers, help guide me! Will I regret not getting the 620 eventually? Is it a better long term investment over the 220, especially considering I would like to get more serious in the spring – possibly running my first 5k or more? Or in all honesty, will the 220 do me just fine? Gracias in advance.
This is the exact same problem/thinking I’m having. I’m also on the fence. I want the 220 to be an exciting enough upgrade because I’ll be able to afford it sooner and justify spending the money. But I don’t want to regret not spending that bit more if the 620’s features will help me. I like the look of the 620 better and maybe the touch screen is cool. But maybe it’s more problematic, too? I just don’t know. But I suspect I might go with the 220 in the end.
I also want to be training for events, etc. Just ran my first 10k and want to work up to a half soon. I’m sure the 220 is fine and I’ll love it, once I get the 620 out of my head…
I’ve had the 305, motoactv, 610, and now 620. The 620 touchscreen is MUCH improved over the 610. Very responsive. With that said, you don’t use the touchscreen during actual workouts except to change the screen you’re on. Unlike the motoactv, where you had to do almost everything from the touchscreen (mark laps, etc). If you’re a data junkie then 620. If not, then 220. I inherently like numbers, so I got the 620.
Agree the touch screen on the 620 is a lot better than previous devices. I like you can just tap a data screen once to move onto another one and this works consistently well.
As for 220/620 choice either would work well for runners of all standards.
My take is go for the 620 if you like your stats (as I do) and aren’t so worried about budget.
Another factor is that the HRM-Run is (so far) the best HR strap ever had for lack of spikes – and I have been using HRMs for 20 years now.
Just as an update for those seeing app upload issues (from iPhone app to Garmin Connect). I’m reasonably certain something was fixed there on the backend. My runs today uploaded without issue pretty much immediately, compared to this weekend where things were timing out.
Yup, indeed. In, I accidentally simulated that tonight as well. I did my main run, then stopped and re-created a new run for a post-run cooldown. Once you initiate a new activity it basically stops trying to transfer the old one. Thus, the first activity didn’t complete transferring to the phone (expected).
Then, about 10 minutes later I went ahead and finished my cool-down and saved that activity. At that point it went and grabbed all untransferred activities and transferred and uploaded those.
Boy, for the life of me I just can’t get an activity to transfer successfully from the 620 to Garmin Connect Mobile. It will intermittently register an activity and label it as “Waiting,” with the little double-arrow transfer logo next to it, but will never move off of that.
I saw a comment on the Forums for Garmin to try and remove the FR620 from the mobile app and re-add it, which then apparently cleared things up for folks.
Great tip on mentioning the Garmin Forums. I didn’t even know they existed. The below steps have worked for me, so far:
I found this tip in the 220 Forum:
Originally Posted by SEEJANEBE (Thanks SEEJANEBE!)
“I am having the same connect issue. Pairs no problem, but does not transfer. Downward swipe doesn’t work.
Ok, here is what I had to do to get it working again. I’ve tested it a few times and successfully downloaded three activities.
Open the Garmin Connect App and go to my device.
Click on the “i” icon in the top right hand corner and choose “Remove a Device”
Remove the Forerunner 220.
Closed the Garmin Connect App and made sure it wasn’t running in the background.
Turn off the forerunner using the power/backlight button.
Turn on the forerunner.
Open the Garmin Connect App and Add a new Device/pair the forerunner.
That seemed to clear out whatever was “stuck” and information is flowing via bluetooth once more!
I also have successfully tested both on LTE and connected to a wireless network (although it shouldn’t matter).
I was on IOS 6 when the problem appeared and upgraded to the latest release of 7 today to see if it would help the problem. It did not.”
Ray, or those of you with 220s and 620s, do you see a need for the screen protector that some folks used on the 610? If so, would the 610 protector (sold on Amazon) fit the 220 and 620? Thanks for your help with this.
I have a 220, and I was thinking about the need for a screen protector. In fact I’m going to look into this one you mention. I could really see the need. This is the first Garmin I’ve had where I feel like it’s light enough and small enough to wear all the time. As such, I’m fairly worried about this pretty large area of glass that seems fairly vulnerable. I certainly notice smudges, and I don’t want to have to worry about scratches. In fact, I did notice a micro scratch about the size of a period the other day, and I’m fairly sure it wasn’t there when I first got it. For the OCD part of me, I’m feeling like a screen protector would put me at ease.
I’m interested to hear what others think. Also, if anyone can indeed confirm if the 610 sold would work, that’d be highly appreciated!
My screen protectors are just generic, whatever is cheapest on eBay models. No, they do not cover the complete face of the 610 or 620. It’s just too much of a pain to completely center ones that do that. There is a slightly exposed edge, which works just fine.
On my 610 I’ve used a generic screen protector from Zagg link to zagg.com . The watch has a diameter of 40 mm “face”. So the 39 mm screen protector leaves a small edge. A 40 mm one would probably slop over the edge. The protector does not influence the touch sreen and has lasted for a year without replacement.
Alright, first run with a 620 & running dynamics HRM and already a question…
A five miler in the books and the HRM performed flawlessly in challenging 32 degree temps with no dropouts. The watch was great (didn’t pair the footpod since the 2.30 firmware has a bug). The problem was the data at the end… while the watch recorded flawless heart rate data and recorded cadence there was NO vertical bounce or ground contact time recorded. I called Garmin and they had no explanation but had me try a quick 2nd run in place for 10 seconds and bang, all the new running dynamics were there. The agent guessed the first run was required to “learn” your movements before the data started recording but I don’t recall Ray or Garmin for that matter saying that. Hopefully it works now moving forward, but did anyone NOT get full running dynamics data on their first run?
No, that’s wonky. I’ve never had that be a problem (with any of the units I have, nor any of the straps). I definitely don’t have a solution there either (though, it sounds like it’s solved now), but would certainly be curious if someone else sees the same. Weird.
I got running dynamics on my first run, but no VO2 Max until my second run. It seems that some things take a time or two to kick in.
The button to upload PR’s to the device didn’t appear until after the first run and all of the data had been uploaded. Looks like you have to have at least one record in place on the device before you can update it with different records.
My first run was 4 miles and did get VO2max but no running dynamics. I went into the settings and switched running dynamics from off to on and my second run received everything.
@David, I just posted a comment on Running Dynamics data issue. On my first run the watch stopped tracking Running Dynamics data after 23 minutes, but the watch continued to track HR data for the rest of the run. I’m hoping this is a one time fluke. I am on firmware 2.3.0 as well.
This pre-order thing has been a nightmare. It seems the White/Orange 620’s are coming online. OK, I preordered one from RRS and one from REI. RRS it appears is useless. Also, contacted local running stores and they said they would get one in this week. REI said they would ship on 11/25. So…
REI shipped yesterday and I just get an email from local running store that they got the watch at the store. I can get 10% off at running store. So, keep the REI watch at full price? Or support the local running community and get it from the running store at 10% off and return the watch to REI after delivery.
RRS is probably one of the worst websites I’ve ever shopped from. I ordered the 220 about a month ago and got sick of all the pushing back and cancelled my order. On Sunday the site said they were in stock so I put in my order and then I get an email a few minutes later that my order would ship on the 22nd. Now the website shows they will be back in stock on the 25th.
How do they not have prices on their online invoices? This has got to be the shadiest online store ever. If they didn’t have all the coupons and deals with cash back websites, I would definitely be ordering from clevertraining.
RRS just told me that my 620 would ship Friday. Inquired about switching to the HRM model but they indicated I would lose my place in line and the HRM model isn’t shipping until 12/6.
Rob- I’d take what RRS told you with a massive 5000 pound grain of salt. Every time I asked about my order, they told me whatever the following friday or monday was. I cancelled and went with REI, got it next day.
Agreed Matt. I’ll believe it when it’s in my hand. I called REI and they are claiming that they are out of stock. Would also rather save the 10% at RRS. Glad i’m not in a hurry for it ;)
They are out of stock online. My shipment was for a preorder from REI placed on 9/23. Watch is supposed to arrive from PA/WV on Friday, shipped yesterday PM. I can’t imagine it taking that long, but I did not pay for faster shipping. It’s killing me not to just drive down to the local running store and pick up the watch from them, however. Tomorrow will be the last time I’ll be able to run for until after Thanksgiving break. With prior experience with Garmins I’ll pay the extra $49 to be able to drive 10-15 minutes to REI and exchange for a brand new watch if anything happens. Especially at the price we are paying.
Regarding whether to support REI or the local running store: REI does not feel like a big box store. It’s a cooperative, which makes me what to give them my business more than the likes of Walmart, etc. The clincher for me is that, as a member, they give me a dividend based on my purchases; for the Garmin 620 it says “REI Members get back an estimated $ 40.00 on this item as part of their annual member refund.”
As a brief aside, you can still support the site via REI through any of the links below. You won’t save 10% immediately like at Clever, but you’ll get it back later with your REI rebate:
I have the 620 with HRM now for almost 2 weeks (10 runs). Findings so far:
– GPS accuracy issues I encountered at the second run (see earlier post) have largely dissappeared but for a strange stretch near my house which has high buildings and is situated above a tunnel. Not something that is really bothering me at this moment.
– speed of finding GPS is ok but not much better than my nikeplus watch.
– live tracking works great. My father was impressed that he could follow me remotely.
– after one long run (28km) with live tracking, the watch could no longer connect to wifi, usb or bluetooth. Had to turn it off and on for it to work properly again (luckily no data loss).
– HR and running dynamics recorded fine, just need to figure out how to use the latter in my training.
– like Ray noted in his review, I changed the backlighting such that it stays on until switched off. Great for running in the dark, less great if you leave the watch in you gymbag overnight and accidently turn backlight on. Battery was empty before I could start the next run.
– showing 4 data fields in one screen needed some getting used to, but would not want it otherwise now.
– sound and vibration notifications are much better than with my previous watch.
– wifi upload (when working, see above) is really great and in absence of wifi, the upload to my iphone works great as well.
– starting my training program for the Paris marathon in a couple of weeks and look forward to downloading a training program to my watch.
I got my watch last week and I’d consider it a ‘marginal’ improvement over the 610. It is worth the upgrade to go from 610 – meh
(1) the touch capability to change screens is better but it’s not like an iPhone. It’s still somewhat clunky.
(2) the screen shows fingerprints and dirt pretty easily–reminds me a bit of the early iPhones.
(3) the new HR strap is nice. I like the running dynamics metrics
(4) the battery life is much better than the 610.
(5) I don’t understand WHY the watch is not bluetooth capable?
Can you elaborate on #5? The FR620 is Bluetooth Smart enabled, and uses Bluetooth Smart to upload workouts to your phone, stream live data to your phone, and get firmware updates from your phone.
I mean that the watch cannot sync with a bluetooth footpod or HR strap as examples. I realize that the HR strap does that already. But it seems that Garmin is intentionally limiting some technology capability for a competitive reason?
At some point I hope that there is a ‘Holy Grail’ device that integrates everything. I mean ‘running dynamincs’ stats and works as bluetooth and ant+. The adidas smart watch is a step in that direction but takes only bluetooth and not ant+.
On another question/topic. Are there any other apps out there that can do ‘running dynamics’ like what Garmin does?
What I’m also finding–to my disappointment–is that the GPS signal frequently gets lost in steep wooded terrain. Interestingly, I also wore the TomTom Runner/triathlete watch on my other wrist. The TomTom never lost a signal. The Garmin cut out (autopaused) frequently.
Just got it yesterday from REI and first run today.
Observations:
* I like it a lot!
* it is very light and much less “clunky” than my 610
* very well built; some have noted that it seems cheaper, but I don’t think so, it is about half the weight, but it looks and feels very well designed
* the overall controls to me are a bit more intuitive
* I really like the freedom from the “ant dongle”. either it will upload from bluetooth from the phone or from wifi when I get home. wifi was a bit glitchy at first, but fine the 2nd time
* VO2 and recovery work perfectly with the viiiiva combo bluetooth/ant HR strap; I use runkeeper on my iphone as a “backup” source of my data and I hated having to connect an ant dongle to the iphone to get HR
* GPS acquisition is MUCH better than the 610; almost no wait.
* nice that firmware updates happen over wifi and you don’t have to wait to hear about it somewhere else and then manually start it
* usb charging cradle is much better; the older one was very sensitive to placement
* the watch band is so much better; my early 610 would just fall off occasionally due to the pins slipping out
* I still use garmin training center on the mac to have a local source of data and I have yet to figure out how to add the 620–any suggestions are welcome
* I was able to import into rubitrack on the mac by just importing the fit file from the folder–also not sure how to add this device so I can just sync and get the files–maybe it is not possible
I realize that for many the new HRM features are key, but for the life of me, I have no idea what to do with data that tells me how much I bounce and how long my feet are on the ground. I love data, but I can’t quite see much use for this. I would rather have my other iphone apps with HR data via bluetooth and also connect to my 620.
One advantage I have found with the HRM-Run is that haven’t had any HR spikes yet. I was looking at my Garmin activities from a few years ago and things have definitely improved for the better on this one.
I think everybody is trying to understand how GCT & VO can help them!
But good point about getting HR on your iPhone if you use a bluetooth strap. Any spikes with that?
Ray mentioned this at some point, but Garmin definitely made positive changes within the pod itself to help eliminate heart rate spikes/inaccuracies. I’ve been using the same hrm-sports-bra (the strap is built into the bra) that I used with previous garmin hrm pods, and its definitely much cleaner data. My hrm-sports-bra actually provided much better readings than any strap I ever tried (garmin or polar) even before this, but its that much better still with the hrm-run pod :).
The watch itself is an absolute joy to use. The touchscreen is super responsive, and it’s so light I literally forget I’m wearing it. I knew it would be much lighter and smaller than my previous 310xt, but I didn’t quite understand the difference in feel on my wrist, its amazing! I also love the wifi uploads since i’d been having some trouble with my 310 and ant stick. Can’t wait for the android phone app also, hopefully thats not delayed forever. I love the color (blue/black) and the sleek look too :)
Well I tried to be patient, I waited and waited, and I saw your posting so I called Clever Training just now. My order placed 10/18 – didn’t make it in this newest shipment – so I’m supposed to wait for “early next week” – yeah right, Thanksgiving week – i’m going to be waiting another two weeks — so I cancelled my order. This has been the worst pre-order experience I ever had.
Does FR620 require the new HRM-Run for VO2Max calculation? I have Garmin Edge 510 with soft strap HRM and I would like to use it to save some money. I do not need the additional features of HRM-Run.
Another question is, if the VO2Max calculation also works for other activities like cycling. I suppose that VO2Max calculation will not be added to Edge 510.
Martin in post #752 demonstrates that you don’t need the HRM-Run for VO2 Max and I would echo that from one run with the “soft strap”.
I would imagine VO2 Max calculations like this are a lot harder for cycling as speed is so much more a function of the weather, road surface, how “aero” you are and how many riders are offering you a draft. As such I would have to guess no.
IMO if they decide to implement the Navigation and Trackpoints with a firmwareupdate, than I could really think about exchange my good old FR305. But with out Navigation it is no option. Than the FR 305 is still over the edge. I would even prefer to buy the now very cheap 310xt when my 305 breaks, even when the navigation part has som flaws, but with that i could get along, rather without.
Reading the comments here and on the Garmin forums, there are quite a lot of people (including you & me) who would welcome the basic navigation features (say those that were in the 610) in the 620. Probably the most important for me is to be able to mark a location and then be able to navigate back to it with a just a simple arrow and distance indication. Has saved me getting lost many times! It is sort of the thing you can never be quite sure when you might need…
Thanks again for supporting all of us in the comments with questions and early glitches and the like!
Tiny question for you: The waterproofing on the 620/220 seems to be really good based on what you’ve said so far. I’d like to use my 620 just as a timer/maybe lap counter when I’m training in the pool. Do you see any potential issue with that, just swimming in chlorine with it (a lot!) and also hitting the lap button some of the time (I’d usually do this at the wall when the watch is out of the water, but still wet ofc). Also, do you see any potential issue if any of the buttons somehow get pressed under water and would putting it down a bit of depth cause this? This used to happen with my 310xt, I dive, so I sometimes train in the deep end of the pool doing some deeper drills with the watch still on, 310’s buttons, especially the lap button, used to just get pressed all on its own down there (this was maybe 5-10 feet deep at most), didn’t seems to hurt the watch, just had lots of random laps.
I’m super excited about the all additional stats that 620 can provide, but can’t really justify if the upgrade from 310xt is really worth it? I’m mostly running – about 40-50mpw, with occasional cycling sessions 4-5 times a month.
For me, I hope it was worth the upgrade — although I am keeping my 310xt for triathlons and cycling. I wanted the wireless ability of the 620 so that I can upload workouts to Garmin Connect with my phone’s mobile hot spot. Often, I have to try two or three times for the ant stick to upload info from the 310xt. I had the same problem with the ant stick and a 610 I previously owned. Aside from that, I have had a great experience with the 310. I like the bright large screen, much better than the 610 screen, and the 310 has been very reliable. The battery life also has been excellent. If the 620 doesn’t live up to my expectations, I won’t be disappointed in sticking with the 310 — except for the ant stick which sometimes drives me nuts.
Fyi, there appears to be progress made in filling back orders of 620s. I called Clever Training and they said the one I ordered on Oct. 1 is shipping today. Also, REI had the white and orange 620 in stock, as of this morning, and the 220s were in stock. An REI customer service rep said they’re shipping immediately.
Issues with this 620 watch are increasing:
1: Restarting (turn-off/turn-on) watch does not recover Wifi upload, I have seen it working for my first run, after that it is back to cable. On the watch auto Wifi is enabled. Any clues?
2: VO2max prediction was given after first run, for subsequent runs no VO2max estimation is given. It does a recovery check after 12′ in the run. Yes I am wearing the HRM strap. I cant find a setting on the watch for enable/disable, any advice?
3: When doing indoor cycling with HRM strap, the first 4-6 minutes the HR displayed is in the 60-ish, then within a minute the HR raises to actual values. Yes I have followed Ray’s advice, moisturize full strap, even wet my T-shirt. Any one faces same issue?
4: HRM strap does not work with Cycleops Joule 2.0, Garmin’s response was that ANT+ support responsibility is with third party manufacturers. Anybody has similar experiences with backward compatablity with non-Garmin stuff?
How to do a “factory reset”, maybe this solves some of my problems?
Thanks in advance.
Hmm, based on 3 out of 4 items being related to the HR strap, I’d suspect you may simply have a bad strap. As for WiFi, that gets tricky, as it gets into the territory of WIFi troubleshooting a bit.
Factory reset is (with full data loss), is:
Non-prompted non-vol clear
1. Turn watch off by pressing and holding the power key for several seconds.
2. Press and hold start and lap.
3. While still holding start and lap, press the power key to turn the watch back on.
4. Release the power key and wait for a beep.
5. Release the start key and wait for a beep.
6. Release the lap key.
7. The watch should now boot up if this worked.
Thanks Ray.
Via local running shop following feedback has been received from Garmin:
1. WIFI will only work if computer (with required Garmin SW) is turned on. I was under the impression the watch can autonomously take care of uploads, once it is connected to known/learned WIFI network.
4. HRM strap is not ANT+ and will not work with other brands. Ray learned us that the running dynamics is proprietary extension to ANT+, but my impression was that HR side of the protocol should be compatible with ANT+.
I am going to run some experiments over the weekend to check some claims. Will start-off with factory reset. If there is little progress the watch is going back.
According to “This is ANT” the HRM-RUN should be compatible with all ANT+ fitness products. See here: link to thisisant.com
I hope this is true as I want to have the HRM-RUN as a backup for my HRM2.
If PC running Garmin SW is really required for Wifi upload, then it is a big drawback of the functionality. I plan to use WiFi upload until BT upload will work on android. I like the wireless upload feature of my Garmin Edge 510.
We know that #1 isn’t true, as both myself and numerous other users have shown. And #2 isn’t necessarily true either. I showed it working just fine with the Wahoo Fitness app. I’m not at home at the moment, so I can’t test my CycleOps Joule GPS that you’re having problems with to see if it’s a CycleOps thing, a Garmin thing, a your strap thing, or something else.
In any case, as noted above, the strap is ANT+ compatible – and it wasn’t self-tested, which means that it went through the full test certification process for ANT+ compatibility (as linked to above).
On the WIFI upload issues, the factory-reset was of great help, now WIFI upload work superb, thanks Ray!
The strap (+HRM/HR unit) is on its way to Garmin, I expect it is going to be replaced, fingers crossed.
Thanks for all help.
Garmin replaced HR strap, so I paired it with Joule 2.0, so far so good. But no HR displayed, just “—” on the Joule 2.0. With Cycleops ANT+ HR strap things are fine, and yes I have put the Cycleops strap aside while pairing with 620 strap (it shows different sensor ID).
Can anybody check if you can get HR displayed with 620 HRM strap on Cycleops Joule 2.0?
The other way around works as expected, with Cycelops ANT+ strap HR data can be displayed on 620 watch.
Thanks for your help!
Rationale: using two straps is an issue, when doing duathlons/triathlons.:)
Ordered my 620 on Sept 17 from Garmin’s Chicago store,thinking I would be one of the first to get my 620. In the past the store usually gets the gear early. Finally shipped, expecting delivery tomorrow. In the future I think I will go with REI.
So RRS just gave me a call… not sure if they are calling everyone who preordered or just the VIPs or just me because I yelled at them on Facebook :) Anyway they confirmed my preorder with them still would not ship this week and they said maybe by next Friday. That said they gave me another 10% off for waiting. Since this is the one for my wife, I am ok with letting it sit. I really wonder if the orange/white just way oversold or something.
That’s not fair, maybe you got a good salesperson or something. They pushed my first 220 order back at least 4 times without offering any condolences. When I reordered last weekend (bc it said in stock online), I got an email saying it would ship Friday. We will see if I get a shipping notice or if I wil lneed to keep yelling at them too.
I just called and they told me the same thing. Hopefully next friday. But, they did give me another 10% off. REI does have them in stock, but between the now 20% and no sales tax, i’m going to wait.
I’m going thru the same thing you guys are with RR. I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. RR has given you all another 10% off the garmins? All they’ve offered me is 15% off my next phone order. Thanks.
I got a blue/black 620 with heart rate monitor from a local store here in New York last Friday. Oddly, 3 stores I went to had the white/orange available but none of the blue/black. I luckily got mine because it was on hold for someone that decided they no longer wanted it.
I ordered mine on 9/22, orange and white bundle and still haven’t received anything. Assuming it hasn’t shipped without me being notified, I’ll be canceling my order ASAP.
Hey Brian, for what it’s worth, CT shipped my 620 on Thursday (ordered Oct. 1) and had not sent me an email notification. I found out by calling them, and then they emailed me the notice.
Good luck to you.
DONT BUY THE 620 UNTIL IT UPLOADS WITH STRAVA VIA BLUE TOOTH 4.0-UNTIL THEN BUY A POLAR H7 FOR 60.00-REASON AS-
-YOU NEED TO UPLOAD TO STRAVA (APPLICATIONS) WITH EASE
-THERE IS NO EASE OF USE IN THE CURRENT USER CONFIGURATION SCHEME TO UPLOAD FILES WITH EASE TO STRAVA
**Because the 620 (the 620), doesn’t support other apps accessing it via Bluetooth or WiFi. So, only the Garmin Connect Mobile iPhone app can upload from it. From there, it only uploads to Garmin Connect.
Think would have to be desperate to buy a Polar these days!
For Strava uploads plug in USB charger to computer and do a “From File” upload of the FIT file from the ACTIVITIES folder on your 620.
Or, if you have no cable to hand, upload to Garmin Connect via the app or WiFi, export the activity as a TCX and then use upload that using From File as well.
I asked Strava about a “better” solution and they said that they are working on it.
Thank you tom gringo,
I was going to purchase a Garmin 620 HRM unit. Your shouting at everyone about it not using a protocol to upload to a website that I never use has made me see the error of my ways.
The two stage solution laid out by Tim Grose seems far to complex for me to follow.
Thanks again for the advice. Do you have any Polar employee discount codes you could let me have?
I just received my Garmin 620 with HRM-Run on Thursday and did my first run this morning with the watch.
I ran 5.5 miles and started out with the HRM-Run on and connected and was watching the Running Dynamics data page on the watch. 23 minutes into my run the watch stopped providing the Running Dynamics data yet the HR continued to be tracked on the watch.
I tried removing the HRM-Run and rewetting the contacts and reattaching the HRM. I also tried disabling and re-enabling the Running Dynamics data screen on the watch mid run. The watch said it would track Running Dynamics data when a HR Monitor was attached. The watch continued to track the HR data the entire run just not the Running Dynamics data.
After the run was complete, I synced the data to my iPhone via Garmin Connect app. I then started a new run and the Running Dynamics page appeared again. Has anyone else experienced this issue or a similar one? I updated yesterday to the most recent v 2.3.0 firmware version on the 620.
Ray or others, any suggestions to troubleshoot and resolve this issue? It’s odd the HRM-Run would continue to track the HR data but stop tracking the Running Dynamics data mid run and be unable to resume Running Dynamics data tracking for the remainder of the run. I hope this issue can be resolved by Garmin support or someone on the forum. I am reviewing the watch for Phidippides running store in Atlanta, GA. The former Olympic runner Jeff Galloway owns Phidippides running stores; I’d hate to ding the watch for one of the new key features. Thanks all.
Up above a comment or three hundred, someone noted a similar issue with Running Dynamics data not coming through on the 1st run, but being there for all subsequent runs. I don’t have a solution – but I would encourage posting it to the Garmin Forums (or support), as I know they are monitoring the FR220/FR620 forums.
Ethan, I was the one who had difficulty with running dynamics on my first run. Although the HRM recorded perfect HR, I had NO running dynamics at all recorded (I didn’t check for it until post run…) During a support call with Garmin they had me start a new run indoors for a few seconds to try it out and the running dynamics worked perfectly. I have since run 2 real runs and running dynamics worked well. I never changed any settings it snipe didn’t workable and then it did.
I suspect once again we new users of a garmin fitness product are always the beta testers for these bugs during the first 6 months.
I had 2 runs today that Running Dynamics, GCT & Vert Osc, were not captured, however cadence data was captured. Yes I was wearing my HRM-Run w/ silver man on it. I know Running Dynamics was enabled, because I kept swiping past that screen during my run. I only noticed the data missing on Garmin Connect, when I was comparing to the 610 data gathered on the same runs this afternoon. As soon as I noticed it, I went to my 620 and double checked that RD was enabled, and it was. I looked back at my 5 or 6 other runs I’ve done w/ the 620 watch and they all have dynamics data. I tried the running in place here at home this evening and RD was captured & was able to upload it. I tried deleting one of my runs from this afternoon on Garmin Connect and then adding the .fit file from the watch via usb cable but no GCT or Vert Osc were there, just the cadence like initially.
So I had orders with RRS and another GPS website, and both my orders kept getting the delays in shipments. A local store posted they had some early yesterday afternoon and somehow still two in stock last night when I went to pick them up! Went for a first run last night, and both the heart rate and running dynamics worked flawlessly for both my husband and me. Set up all the syncing to Garmin Connect via wifi and hooked it up to my phone’s bluetooth all without problem. My only surprise was that my phone can only see my 510 or my 620 and not both but if my understanding is correct, this is a limitation of bluetooth and not of the Garmin Connect app.
I do understand some of the comments that the watch feels cheap. To me, I’m so used to the heavy/bulky 910xt, that when I first picked up the 620, I had the same feeling. I think I’ll get over it though because the lightness is nice but it’s just not what I’ve learned a GPS watch to feel like. The touch screen and interface both seem surprisingly usable and intuitive to me. So far we love them and plan on ditching our 910s in favor of the 620s.
Also forgot to mention, our local running store had both the white/orange and the black/blue in stock just for anyone trying to track what colors seem to be being shipped out.
I get that the actual screen in about the same size as the 610 and 405/410 series that came before but for some reason the light weight and very flat huge front surface makes the screen look small and the border huge and contributes to the “cheap” feel. Bottom line is the watch is feature rich (but buggy like Garmin stuff always is… footpod issues, rare but present bug of missing running dynamics etc.) and waterproof and is a great tool so it is still THE watch to get but I wish it could “feel” more like the premium device it is. The Nike+ Sportwatch, Garmin 610, Garmin 405, Garmin 210, TomTom, and Adidas watches all to me feel more premium and look like it too.
Some other late-comer just got moved up a spot in the CT queue … I’ve cancelled my order with them because I don’t like the way they do “business.”
Called to confirm that they’d received my 10-day-old order as I did not get the promised email confirmation … “Oh, we don’t send those out until the product ships.”
Then, please cancel my order.
“OK. You’ll see a credit on your card in a couple days.”
That they’ll happily take the customer’s money without telling them and without a word in response acknowledging the transaction just frosts my shorts. No thanks!
(Glad I actually kept track of my order number as some sort of proof.)
So, now I’ll be keeping tabs on my credit card to make sure they actually did cancel my order as they said they would on the phone – because, of course, there is still no written communication from CT.
I asked Clever to look into what happened – as I do anytime someone posts here with an issue (or e-mails me on the case). As is always the case, order confirmations are e-mailed out within about 1-2 seconds of you finalizing your purchase. In yourcase, the sales system showed it sent an e-mail to your address at 9:14:20AM on Nov 12, 2013 (East Coast Time).
Now, sometimes those e-mail messages get caught up in various Junk E-Mail programs – so I’d definitely encourage you to look there (though, that can sometimes happen upstream from your Inbox). E-mails would have come from the address: sales@clevertraining.com
I suspect the confusion from the customer service person was around the shipping e-mail, rather than the order confirmation e-mail. Though, obviously, I wasn’t on the phone.
I also had a less-than-awesome experience with CT. Was really hoping to support this site, too. I ordered a blue/black 620 with HRM the first week in November, and saw the charge go through on 11/11. I got an order number, but never got a confirmation email. Sent two separate emails to them (via their web form), asking for a confirmation. Never got one. Finally had to call them. I realize I’m late to the game and probably waaaay down in the list under several pre-order customers. But frustrating to get no communication at all. (And I kept checking spam folder.) Sounds like something might be broken over at CT. I’ll be cancelling my order.
Anyhow. Wound up buying one from a Pacers store in Northern Virginia this past weekend — my lovely wife even let me cash in some of her hard-earned customer loyalty points, and I saved a few bucks! Can’t wait to start geeking out on all my run data.
Thanks for a great, in depth review!
(as per usual) :)
I’m really hoping Garmin decides to include more features with the colour screen, otherwise it seems pretty disappointing and pointless.
I’ve still got the 620 on my x-mas list though! I need a new watch regardless!
Hey DC Rainmaker,
Picked up a 620 Thursday here in Perth (Western Australia) and used it properly for the first time in a 12km night trail race on Saturday. Live tracking, running dynamics and everything worked fine and I’m now officially in love with the 620 after moving on from a 2 year fling with a couple of 610’s (reverse charging and button blue ring seal issues).
My only problem is that the trail race had a lot of steep climbing and rapid descending the over pretty rough and rocky terrain and today my legs are feeling a little worse for wear ( link to strava.com ) . Tomorrow is Monday and I’ve managed to get the morning free and was hoping to go for a run but I’m not sure my legs are up to another solid hit out so soon.
Any news on when a firmware upgrade might be released for the 620 that will reduce recovery time and eliminate post race leg fatigue?
Cheers for the always in depth and informative reviews.
Hi Ray, I would like to know your opinion between this watch and the Suunto Ambit 2 … ‘m a marathon runner and I am devoting more time lately to ultra trail, I know both are great watches but the battery from Garmin pushes me a little backwards …
Absolutely fantastic review…I really appreciate it as well.
I guess I didnt notice the tie into CT or I would have ordered it from them instead of RRS (my local shop isnt expecting any for a while).
Like many others I am on the wait list despite numerous updated ‘ship dates’.
OK, thats enough venting….I can’t wait to try this out when it gets here….upgrading from a 405 that is on it’s last leg.
Somebody else may have mentioned this in the comments above, but I’m too lazy to go through each of them:) Anyway, I just got my 620 yesterday and I was having trouble getting my old PRs from Garmin Connect to download to the watch, like you had mentioned. But, I finally got it to work by connecting with the USB cable. Just go to Garmin Connect and there is a tab above the personal records section that says “send to device.” The device should appear when the watch is attached with the cable.
Hi there – the inability to use straight of the box for cycling as well as running seems like a deal breaker for me – can you explain what you meant by saying they are working on this function. Thanks….
In your opinion what would be the best solution for someone that doesn’t like fiddling with technology:
Including:
GPS – shows data and route after
Run
Cycling
Pace
Not a massive beast size wise
HR
Elevation??
Thanks, Mike
Mike
Kind of depends what exactly you want in terms of cycle functionality?
If you don’t want to be “fiddling with technology” maybe can presume you won’t want to be attaching speed/cadence/power sensors to your bike?
If so then it will “work” on a bike – you will still be able to see speed, distance, HR, elevation etc as these are all available data fields.
The “snag” is that the bike rides will be set as default in Garmin Connect as runs and also you will get your (running) records overwritten.
“Bike mode” and also a “GPS section” is perhaps the two most likely things that Garmin might add in due course and for sure if lots of people lament their omission one assumes more likely to happen.
So you could either wait a bit and see what develops or look at the 210/610 which have a bike mode but only the 610 I believe supports the bike specific sensors I mentioned.
Or you look at a 310 or 910 but are clearly somewhat bigger devices and not meant to be “simple” devices.
In case of a pure cycling-mode in relation to HR monitoring, the watch firmware must be able to deal with cycling HR zone metrics. The reason is that maximum HR zone for cycling is 10-15 beats lower than with running typically, meaning that metrics like training effect (and VO2max) would be skewed. I have not seen a way in GC to recalculate these metrics activity has been set as cycling activity.
E.g. I have done couple of sub-max efforts on indoor bike (2′ on VO2max, 2′ easy), and the TE is still reported as moderate, which didn’t match my actual efforts.:)
I did my first run today with my new 620, 6mi on the treadmill. My treadmill is calibrated correctly. The watch was inaccurate by about 30 to 45 seconds per mile at anything above 9:30 minute miles. Down to about 8:30 miles it was inaccurate by about 15 seconds. The heart rate monitor and cadence functions worked very well. The watch was extremely light and I didn’t even notice I had it on, and was very easy to tap between screens. I have not yet had a chance to test it outside, hopefully very soon.
Josh, I may be mistaken, but I think the internal accellerometer is automatically calibrated with GPS after running outside for a bit. That may be why it wasn’t providing accurate data.
Just got my fr620 today. And I must say that having never had a gps watch before, to now, being able to track metrics while running is fantastic!
I must also say that I’m certainly happy I’ve never owned a gps watch up to this point because I don’t have to compare the 620 to anything else. I’ve read where people say the 620 feels cheap, the screen gives etc, but to me it’s the best thing since sliced bread.
Ray, thanks again for all the hard work you’ve put in to this review. I’ve been studying it for a month and when I got my watch I knew what and how to use it right away.
Btw, all the features ie heart monitor, etc worked great. To load my first run I plugged unit straight into the computer. I have not used to wifi yet that will be on tomorrow’s agenda.
I just purchased my fr620 today, charged it and when I took it off the charger the screen is frozen saying 100% and the time. I’m hoping it just something small.
I got my 620 HRM a couple of weeks back – and generally love it! It’s light – very easy to work with – and a great step up from my old Garmin 405CX (horrible bezel!). However, I wonder if anyone have noticed something off with the GPS accuracy ?
I was just uploading my latest runs to the Garmin Connect site – and see that I’ve been running in water for a good part of the run! OK, this is a trail that is only 5-10 meters from the water – but still – it was way out in the water – and when I crossed a bridge, it looked like I had been using a boat! See the example: link to connect.garmin.com.
Also – today suddenly the watch freaked out – and “skipped” around 400 meters – which gave me a new 1K record of 2:17! As that is almost half my normal pace – that is obviously not correct. The entire run ended up being around 400 meters longer than I ran! Any idea what could have happened here ?
As a comparison – here is the same run a few weeks earlier using my 405CX: link to connect.garmin.com. That looks more correct – although the bit to the outer right is not correct – as you run on both sides of the canal (and cross over a bridge).
Apart from the freak accident today (as mentioned above) – maybe this is just a matter of nature being more correct than Google, Bing or OpenStreetMap can portray!
Martin, as noted in one of the earlier comments, I have experienced the same issues in some of my runs. I thought it was due to the tall buildings in my area but that does not seem then case where you run.
Hey Ray! Great write up as usual! I got my 620 last week. One thing that I’m missing from the 610 is the satellite signal strength screen. Do you know if there is a way to view a similar screen on the 620? Thanks!
Very disappointed to read that the 620 no longer features data upload via ANT, so the only way to get workouts uploaded to 3rd party sites (training peaks, etc) is via a computer with a USB connection. As a person who travels a lot without a computer, uploading with a smartphone/ANT dongle is a must-have feature, so I guess I am sticking with the 610 until it dies…
Any idea why Garmin seems to be going backwards in this department?
It seems like they are trying to strongly “encourage” you to stay in their eco-system. This will be a great way to alienate long time loyal users who love the devices but don’t use GC for more than backup. Making Ant+ basically public was a big part of what got them the traction it did. This is going in the opposite direction. A couple steps forward, a couple steps back.
Wasn’t aware you can do ANT downloads from a 610 (or similar) using just a smartphone? What software are you using to do that?
In terms of a 620 for a completely wireless solution you could look at things like copymysports.com
Less “elegant” is to download the activity as a TCX from Garmin Connect and upload it elsewhere.
Also don’t forget the 620 is a USB device and so you can grab the FIT devices off the device if you can mount it as a USB drive somehow. Maybe there is an app that would faciliate that on a smartphone as well. Will have to try this myself although there maybe issues with iPhones/iPads about how much power can put through the USB adapter.
I scored a 620 HRM here in Australia at a Rebel sport last week with 20% off. Very happy with it so far, easy to use, love the four metrics.
Ray, the race predictor is giving me predictions that seem way too quick – around 30 minutes faster than I would normally run a half, for example. Is this telling me I need to push harder? Or is it just wrong?
The race predictor is based on the VO2Max estimates. Based on your VO2Max it just does a simple lookup in a table based on gender/age for potential race finish times.
Which ultimately means that if you were to train “properly”, you in theory may be able to hit that time. It’s not necessarily telling you to push harder, as in most cases getting a faster time isn’t so much about pushing harder, but really about a more structured training program.
Of course, that all assumes that the VO2Max is correct. In most cases though, most of the VO2Max type applications rarely overestimate, but most often underestimate. Thus, it’s probably in the ballpark.
Also for the VO2 Max calculations to have a chance of working you must enter your max HR correctly as top priority and also min HR, weight, height, age etc etc
is the GPS used in the Forerunner 620 the same one as in the Forerunner 910XT?
Or is it a newer (and preciser) one?
This would be the only reason why I would buy the Forerunner 620.
No, the new chipset supports the satellite cache that’s delivered via software every 7 days. This is why the satellite pickup is so quick (sometimes just a few seconds).
Does this make the new watch GPS more precise? Or does it just find the satellites easier?
Any idea when you will publish your GPS accuracy test? I am really looking forward to it.
The FR620 is less accurate then my Edge 510 which features GPS/Glonass. To be specific, on the same workout, I run the same street on the same pavement one direction and after 40mins the other direction. The difference between both tracks is sometimes almost 40 meters. With the Edge 510 I can see on which side of the road I ride. With FR620 the recorded route is often 20-30 meters of the actual position. There is no difference in accuracy in building area and park. Also the GPS fix needs a bit more time than the Edge 510.
When I bought the FR620, I expected the same accuracy as the Edge 510. Now I’m a little bit disappointed.
Today I noticed in the recorded data by chance, that the watch lost GPS signal for about 1:30 – this happened in open area. It looks like the FR620 has a really big problem with GPS sensitivity.
If it didn’t accidentally pause (either auto-pause or button/whatever), you may want to give Garmin a ring then. I’ve never seen any satellite drops on mine, or that great of variance. Given you’ve got a bit of a repeating issue there, seems like a quick ring may be good.
I just wanted to compliment how generally thorough you are in your reviews. This is certainly my go-to site when I’m trying to get a field-test on GPS watches, and other articles (HRM errors, calibration tool, foot pod) have been supremely helpful and exhaustively written.
That said, be selfish! That link that you put up to Garmin’s videos, make it open in a new tab or window! Sure I had no problem hitting ALT+left arrow, but why navigate away from here? I don’t know if you write the code, use a GUI, or have a webmaster, but it’s not too hard to change the link.
Great job with everything else and your work, dedication, professionalism, and precision, it surely is appreciated.
I ordered the black/blue HRM from CT on 11/4 and when I called, they said it’d probably ship first week of December, but I think that’s a generous estimate given that it looks like people who ordered early-mid October just got theirs shipped. I’m thinking second week of Dec. is more likely for me.
I ordered the Blue/Black 620 HRM bundle from CT on 10/19, and I just received an email with shipping notification and tracking information.
I’ve found CT to be very easy to work with over the phone, and I’ve had no qualms about calling them (regularly) to get updates on the status of my order. They responded to my email inquiries, but I personally have had a better experience over the phone.
Can anyone tell me how I sync Garmin Connect data like heart rate zones to the 620? The “Send to Device” button in Garmin Connect wants to use Garmin Web Updater which I don’t believe is compatible with the 620… Thanks!
The weird thing is Avg Moving Pace and Best Pace which are both radically wrong. I only “stopped” once on this run for a light and I paused the run so Avg Moving Pace should be nearly identical to Avg Pace (which is correct.) The Best Pace of course is radically wrong too but I am assuming that is just a little spike somewhere along the run where my position “jumped” (although the map trace looks very good.)
Does this have something to do with 1 second recording? I have never had a Garmin with 1 second recording before and I have turned it on. Would turning smart recording back on help “smooth” this result? Should I save 1 second recording for only those times I am running a twisty course or something? (I do use 1 second recording on a Garmin Edge 510 and it works great but those are bike speeds.)
David
Might be useful to see a link to your activity in Garmin Connect to see what might be going on there?
Have you got Auto Pause on? Not quite sure what you mean by “paused the run”? Pressed stop?
The recording method ought not make any difference to what is on GC as that just reflects what the device computes and that “sees” all data. In smart mode it just saves less trackpoints to make for smaller file sizes.
Thanks for replying Tim, I would post a link to the activity but it starts/ends at my home and those I keep private for my paranoia reasons (but as an airline pilot I always leave open my on the road runs across the country.)
I do NOT use auto-pause so that isn’t it. The track looks perfect except for a brief mid run jump that suddenly puts me a 100 or so feet off a running path and then right back on, perhaps enough to account for the 4:41 “Best Pace” error but not for the weird “average moving pace.” The weird jump is also strange because it occurred in the middle of a huge park without a single tree or structure in any direction for a half mile and so I should have had perfect GPS signal… I am wondering if these jumps are actually a common issue in GPS signal coverage but are smoothed by using “smart-recording” vs. the “1 second” recording I was doing in this activity.
Does anyone have an comment on if using 1-second recording has ANY disadvantages other than file size? I’m almost wondering if I am shooting myself in the foot using it when I don’t really need it for running when I am not on an outdoor track or very twist course?
From my experience with 310xt – smart recording don’t “smooth” GPS data, just records 4 times less waypoints. It’s tradeoff – 1 second recording cuts less corners, but also gives more GPS errors. Both effects give longer distance recorded. In multi-lap races smart recording usually shows 2-5% shorter distance than it really is, just on corner cutting. So i use smart recording only for smaller file size on 4 hour or longer events.
Tests revealed that recording mode, vibration, minimal backlight have undetectably small impact on battery life compared to charge/discharge cycle “memory” effect.
1 sec recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 8:30
smart recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 10:52
smart recording, vibration off, no backlight – 10:43
1 sec recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 10:48
Just as a quick update for those who ordered FR220’s/FR620’s through Clever Training.
As of an hour ago, here’s the current status:
FR220’s:
All Red/Black HR bundles are now fully fulfilled – there’s also a small number available in-stock
Other other FR220 colors/variants are really close to being fulfilled in upcoming shipments
FR620’s:
All Orange/White HR bundles are now fully fulfilled – there’s a mediun number available in-stock of those
All other FR620 colors/variants are still a bit backordered
They got in a ton of units today, and many of you should be receiving shipping notices today (if you haven’t already). As always, first-in, first out. So the oldest orders get priority.
They’ll be sending another e-mail update on Friday with status, likely based on what quantities they expect to receive from Garmin in the next shipment. If you haven’t received any e-mail updates (or order confirmations), it means the e-mails are likely getting caught in span filters. The e-mails are sent from sales@clevertraining.com.
Finally, as noted above, you can always ring them up (or e-mail) with any questions. As a partner with them, if you ever have any issues with them, please don’t hesitate to reach out to me (the contact form goes straight to my inbox). I hold them accountable, and thus far they’ve resolved most issues near immediately for anyone whose reached out to me (usually in just minutes). They’re good folks who want to make sure folks are happy. So if something slips through the cracks, again, feel free to ping me to get it straightened out.
So 10 days ago, I was able to purchase my 620 at a local running store and thereby canceled my purchase through CT (they were at that time not able to tell me what number I was on the pre-order list). On Monday 18 Nov, I received the email stating that my order had been canceled and a refund was on the way. On 20 Nov I received a email that my 620 has shipped, needless to say I deleted the email because I thought for sure this was a mistake. Last night after walking in the house after a 16 hour day, there on the counter was a package from CT (my guess is that this is a FR620).
Today I contacted customer support to inform CT that they had made a mistake and sent me a 620 after I had canceled the order. I will be sending this back as soon as the post office opens back up from the holiday weekend. As this was the blue/black HR bundle this hopefully will help someone here get there watch a week earlier than planned.
Went to a local running store (Run Detroit, downtown) and they had a 620 HRM sitting on the shelf. Canceled my RRS order and bought it. Love supporting the local running stores.
…hit submit too soon. The bad news for me is, i have an injury and can’t run for a bit. Question: Can I use the 620 strictly as an HRM? I can only ride or do the elliptical right now.
But is that really true Ray? With older Garmin’s selecting indoor and having no footpod created a fully HRM tracked cardio event (let’s say on an elliptical, an aerobics class etc.) but with the 620/220 having an internal accelerometer and the matching HRM having running dynamics it would appear selecting “indoor” still makes it think you are running. Won’t you get some funky looking event that shows a false distance from your “steps” (even if on an elliptical, doing aerobics or a program like Insanity/P90X) and skewing what you are really after like calories burned based solely on HR?
Well, given the two options – it’s the best of the two.
Ultimately, I assume Rob is looking for calorie burn information (as well as recording of HR). Both of those will occur regardless of any random arm swing distance that’s captured. So yes, you might end up seeing some graphs around pace/etc, due to that, but none that would impact the HR capture, nor the calories.
I didn’t realize that the calorie count was entirely based on HR. I knew it was greatly effected by it with the firstbeat technology but I had thought it used some distance/pace in the equation too (unless it was also missing, hence why I thought that might be an issue on the 220/620 where it is never missing anymore). Thanks again Ray, Happy Thanksgiving!
Early days using the 620 for me. A couple of big differences to the 610 in the way I use Garmins is:
No average lap time data field on the 620. I use manual lap and av. lap time in big city races due to gps reliability.
Secondly, on workout steps with a pace target, the 610 uses av. lap pace, while the 620 is using current pace. I wish it worked the same as the 610, but there is a suggestion of the garmin forums that it was designed this way.
I have a FR 610 and was looking forward to the FR 620, but I think they missed the mark by removing features. I used the Tanita scale with my 610. I also travel and run in unfamiliar areas, so the track back feature is essential for me. My wife and I also used my FR 610 for geocaching. We enter the coordinates and go to that location. All the navigation features, as rudimentary as they are the the 610, are gone from the 620. I can’t see buying the 620 until these features are added back.
Just as a quick update for all those pending Clever Training orders on the FR620 Black/Blue HR bundle. CT just got confirmation (via the packing list from Garmin), that all existing backorders for the FR620 will ship out in the December 5th shipment (meaning, ship to you on that date). New orders from today will also make it into that pile as well (obviously, up to a given point).
So baring a rouge turkey causing a delivery truck failure, those will be in your hands mid-next week. And, as noted yesterday, the Orange/White HR bundles are now fully fulfilled.
Thanks everyone for the support, and have a great Thanksgiving.
-Ray
Ive got the Garmin 620 and I’ve wondered if its possible to pause the run instead of stopping it? I press the button on the upper right corner every time I stop at a light for instance. However, when I export to Endomondo the average pace is correct, but the individual lap times (1 km) are all wrong, since it also counts the time I’ve pressed stop (at the red lights and so on).
Is there any way to pause instead of “stopping” the run and will the auto pause feature solve this issue?
No, there’s only one way (which is the stop button, which pauses). Unfortunately, it really just comes down to Endomondo doing it their own way instead of the way every other site on the planet does it. :-/
Same thing with TrainingPeaks, This response I got from trainingPeaks support:
” TrainingPeaks is not compatible with smart recording, auto-pause, or pausing in general as this will affect the accuracy of your data. For the most accurate representation of your data we recommend every second recording, which can be configured on your 910xt under settings, and to leave your device running when you are stopped fro brief periods such as at a stop light.
Please change these settings in your device and let me know if the issue persist. “
Are you uploading the TCX file you get from Garmin Connect or the original FIT file directly from the watch? The TCX file sometimes doesn’t contain enough information to know exactly when the pause started and ended, especially in smart recording mode. The FIT file should have sufficient information but it is always possible Garmin has messed with the message order in the 620 .FIT files and confused some software. So if you haven’t tried uploading the .FIT file directly from the watch, you should.
Honestly, I think TP’s support is confused (or, they have an issue at the moment).
I’ll double-check that nothing’s changed, but I routinely use pause and it never slides my auto laps. Lap history is a function of the device itself – literally, it’s part of the file structure. Everything is recorded against UTC and the start/stop times of each one.
Well….ok, surely it improves the accuracy, but its not excactly a good solution from the runners standpoint. Just the fact that there is not a match between the laptimes and overall time is pretty unacceptable.
It doesn’t improve the accuracy. The unit maintains GPS signal whether stopped (paused) or started. Obviously, if you power it off, then it stops GPS, but assuming you don’t start running before you turned it back on again, it’s a net nothing.
Following questions:
1. Training Effect: is this based on HR Variability metrics, or a scoring system how much time is spent in individual HR zones? I want to understand what TE means in case of doing non-running activity (e.g. indoor cycling) wherein max HeartRate (and related zones) are different than with running. Would we need a possibility to re-calculate TE in GC (after we have moved activity-type from (default) running to cycling)?
2. Suunto watches are providing ventilation statistics (breaths/minute), which somehow are derived from HR pulse metrics. I found it rather useful, and miss this data in GC. Since my 620 is first Garmin running watch, I have no idea what Garmin has to offer on this aspect. Any change this will be added in future? Maybe Suunto has an edge here?
Thanks.
Thanks Tim Grose for your pointer to firstbeat, after reading some white papers I kind of understand what is going on. Respiration rate (HR derived), %max HR (sport dependent), beat2beat (HR derived) statistics and even on/off metrics (incline/decline EPOC) are input to TE model.
Hi Ray,
Like always you did a excellent job with the review. Thanks :D
I received my 620 today and soon went for a run in the rain. I am particularly interested in the new running dynamics and want display the details as charts in RunGap (link to appstore.com).
I can get the summary values for vertical oscillation and ground contact time via the API – but I wonder how to get the full data. You mentioned that the values can be read from the FIT data and I sort of expected them to be part of the TCX file as well – but this is not the case (at least not yet).
Do you know if there is a way to get the full data back from Garmin Connect?
I guess that many people won’t bother to keep local copies of their FIT files from the 620 because it is so easy to push them directly to Garmin Connect. So, I think a way to get one’s data back from Garmin Connect is to be expected.
Thanks
No, not in the TCX. Honestly, I wouldn’t expect them to (even though it’s the right thing to do). I’d actually prefer they just allow .FIT export natively from Garmin Connect. I might add that onto my list of things to push for…
In theory, the TCX file is extensible to new metrics (just an XML file), but in reality, it isn’t. It would almost certainly break many web sites and software packages That’s why there were so many problems with swimming metrics when the 910 first came out. I believe you need the .FIT file for any new metrics that were added in the last several years.
They really need to just give you access to the original .FIT file from the device. Ray, do you know if GC even stores the original file or just stores the data in their own internal format?
Thanks,
Since the .FIT data is already very compact and can be compressed further it makes little sense not to store a copy in Garmin Connect and it must be trivial to store it and hand it back as needed. Being able to request .FIT data from GC would be perfect for apps like RunGap.
Not having a PC in the loop and relying solely on Garmin Connect to store your data is very convenient and OK as long as you can get your hard earned data back again. Without a way to retrieve the full data you can argue that Garmin take our data for ransom just like some of the prominent phone app vendors do and that is clearly a step in the wrong direction. So, please push!
I don’t disagree that getting complete .FIT file export from GC is a bad thing.
But given you can always just plug it in, it’s a wee bit of a stretch to say they’re holding your data hostage. Your raw data is there, it just requires you plug the device in.
I agree that it’s a bit of a stretch and I should mention that I like the 620 a lot already ;)
But these devices tend to break or get lost and people like me tend delete the activities either accidentally or while trying to fix a problem with a master reset etc..
With all my previous Forerunners my data would always be backed up on my PC and with a copy on Garmin Connect I could always get my complete data back from there as well.
When using the 620 with the very convinient wireless transfer to Garmin Connect there is currently no way to get my complete data back in case the device is lost, broken or restored :(
Actually if you look in
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Garmin\Devices-Usb
then you should see a copy of your FIT files (in the ACTIVITY) folder for your 620 device
So as long as plug into USB and also grab a copy of those files from time to time you should have your own “backup”
Mark me down as another new 620 user that is pleased with the device but disappointed not to have any wireless connection.
I have a Bluetooth connection to my iPhone 5S. Both the watch and the Garmin Connect app show that the connection is in place, as does the Bluetooth entry in the menu. After completing an activity, I get a new entry on the activity page, saying “Waiting”. And it stays “Waiting”. More or less forever…over ten minutes after a half hour walk.
So I get impatient and press the watch’s upload button.to upload via WiFi. Yes, I have set it up. Yes, there’s a good signal. The watch says “Searching for WiFi network” for a while, then “Network error. Try again later.” Mixed with these is a Phone Disconnected and a Phone Connected message.
Finally, I take it off my wrist and put it in the USB connector. That works. But one of the big reasons I bought a 620 vs a 220 was the wireless capabilities. :(
Jim, I am having the same issue. I cannot get the 620 to upload to my wireless network. My Motoactive GPS watch worked fine with my WiFi but the 620 will not upload unless I connect it to my Garmin USB connector
Love it… Except I cannot get the data to upload from my watch to iphone.. Bluetooth is on, phone is connected, logged into Garmin connect… I can only upload hard wire to computer through USB cord
Had my first outdoor run today as it is unseasonably warm here today. a quick 4 miles, but at mile 1.10 i was forced to slow to a walk due to a nose bleed. .25 miles later i was off and running. the bulk of the run was at a pace of 8:00-8:30, but that walk slowed the avg pace down considerably. It displayed a VO2 max of 48 at the end of the run. this is significantly lower than my previously tested VO2 max (59) with my training coach at my gym. question: will vo2 max display new with each run or will it “save” the errant 48?
Ahhh, I haven’t set up any max hr on the watch. The 59 was done many months ago “pre watch” in a very technical setting. But thank you for the input I am glad to hear it will continually adjust. I will try to figure out how to enter the max hr.
Any word from Garmin yet on the 620/2.30/footpod compatability issue? Finally got my 620 today and would like to calibrate footpod before having to use it on a treadmill. Thanks!
As stated it does have Auto Lap by preset distance – by default 1 mile if you using those units.
Afraid it does not have auto lap by position. I guess this is related to the 620 (at present) not having any navigation features – well apart from Heading.
I typically import my workouts to MapMyRun. Can this be done wirelessly? It appears that the import function only works when the 620 is plugged into the USB port of the computer?
No, not wirelessly. You need to either then login to Garmin Connect and export out the file and re-import into MapMyRun.
Or, you need to plug it in via USB and upload to MapMyRun.
Or, you could look at https://tapiriik.com, which may let you sync to MapMyFitness automatically from Garmin Connect. I just tried checking, but it’s offline at the moment for some reason.
Thanks for the great review. A couple of comments/questions on workouts:
It doesn’t seem to be possible to edit a workout on the watch. Even if I create the workout on Garmin Connect, I often, for example, want to increase the number of repetitions each week or adjust one of the interval lengths. Do I really have to do this via Garmin Connect? That would be a step back compared to the 610 and is a real nuisance when traveling.
There is no ‘time left to go’ field for interval training. OK, the watch has an additional screen showing this together with (instant?) pace. But on the 610 you could use a ‘time left to go’ field on any screen, along with heart rate, cadence or whatever. If I have workout made up of intervals of variable length (e.g. pyramids), it is much better to have a countdown than just lap time showing.
Not being able to transfer files to Training Peaks (other than connecting via USB) takes away a large part of the advantage of wireless transfer for me.
Please could we have the GPS accuracy field back?
It would great if these could be addressed in the next version of the watch’s firmware.
I cannot upload my runs (activities) from my 620 to my iphone. I have connected the 620 and my phone. Both have blue tooth activated. Garmin connect app is downloaded and shows that that my devices are connected. It will download from garmin connect to the phone app, but I have only been able to upload the activities from my watch my hardwire usb connection to my computer and manually uploading…frustrated….
according to your experience: do you think the Forerunner is more precise in distance measuring accuracy then the Forerunner 910XT?
I own the Forerunner 910XT but would like to buy the Forerunner 620 because of all the extra running possibilities it has. But everything start with accurate distance measuring…
Also, am I right when I say that on the Forerunner 620 there is no data field showing your gps accuracy? Can you see the GPS accuracy in the system settings (as you can with the 910XT)?
I would really appreciate an answer to these questions as they will determine if I will buy the Forerunner 620.
Lots of greetings from Belgium (the country to the north of France… :))
I have not owned the 910XT but I have owned the 305, 405, 210 and now 620. While the GPS acquisition time on the 620 is the quickest of them all by far it has the worst basic GPS accuracy of any since the old 305 I mentioned. Looking at map tracks you see slight drifts from actual paths even in wide open spaces and it more quickly loses your location in tree cover or around buildings vs the older 610/210 generation. There are on going threads about this on the garmin forums with head to head comparisons.
Bottom line? It isn’t wildly bad and works well most of the time but either the GPS chipset itself or firmware driving the accuracy has taken a step backwards. Hopefully firmware fixes can help because the premier running from Garmin should always be at least as good as last years model right?
The battery on my 620 died mid-run on Thanksgiving. All the data from that and the previous 8 days disappeared. Too bad I didn’t upload it…Good thing I write everything down.
Ray, any idea what’s up with that? Do I need to adjust a setting?
If you plug into your computer with USB cable and, assuming you see a directory for your 620 (probably will be called GARMIN), what can you see in the ACTIVITY folder?
I did some trail running with it this weekend. I had the 620 and my running mates had a 305 and 220. We ran about six miles but my watch recorded only 4.92 miles. I had it set to auto-pause but I’m a bit perplexed. The terrain was pretty steep and I suppose that the signal could have been lost.
However, my colleagues with their ‘lower end’ Garmins recorded almost exactly the same distance–about 6 miles.
Hmm…makes me wonder if the claimed superior GPS and signal collection is more accurate or better than other Garmins.
And did the total time match up with your friends? That would tell you if the problem was auto-pause. Auto-pause has always seemed problematic for running, especially with trees, buildings, or winding trails.
Also, I’m not sure there has been any claim of increased GPS accuracy. They have greatly increased how quickly it acquires satellites but I’m not sure the actual accuracy is supposed to be any better.
Did you compare GPS tracks with your friends? Some people seem to have noticed long drop outs in the middle of a run.
I think I’ll wait a bit longer before buying this watch. Nice new features, but when the GPS accuracy isn’t very good then the watch is pretty worthless…
Don’t reply on auto-pause, and don’t use a foot pod with the current firmware (v2.30) and the 620 is as accurate as the 610 – which is VERY accurate! I’ve been running side by side tests, up to a little over 23 miles, and the variation is never over 1/100 of a mile. On my 23.25 mile run, both the 610 and the 620 were dead on.
Rainmaker, I did not have a foot pod. I ran on a flat course the next day (with the same folks that I ran the trail with yesterda) and their ‘lower-end’ Garmins) and we had close to the same distance. So, I’ll continue to test but at 400+ this thing should do everything except cook my breakfast.
It seems that steep and hilly terrain may have something to do with it.
Does the 620 have elevation correction? Is yours turned on / not turned on versus the setting that your friends have? In my experience with the constant hills in Western PA with my old FR110 and currect FR610, turning on elevation correction solves the issue.
I’ve completed my first few runs with the FR620 and I’m extremely happy with it.
Only minor issue is that the live tracking reports miles, which really is minor as my family is “fluent” in both metric and statute measures. Might irritate others.
I’m not fussed about foot pod issues as I’m fortunate enough to be heading into the Southern Hemisphere summer.
I only had minor wifi connectivity issues after I upgraded firmware, but I removed and re-added the settings and haven’t had issue since.
Ray, I have had the same problem with the 620 on the treadmill and am hoping that there is something in the software that would recalibrate itself with GPS data periodically so that it would more closely mimic road times on the treadmill. Not sure if that is built into the software or not. I found myself moving my arms more and artificially increasing my pace. If that doesn’t work I will go back to my foot pod from my 610 which was spot on with my pacing.
No issues that I’ve seen disconnecting after starting Livetrack.
From what I’ve seen (myself, or others), is that it tends to be an all or nothing thing. Either it works, or folks can’t even get to that stage.
I suspect there’s some pattern there with why it fails for certain people, it’s just a matter of Garmin figuring out why certain people are having problems and others aren’t. Could be iOS version, device, etc…
Just ordered a 620 bundle through your Clever Training link. Glad I could help you out (even if it’s just a little). Your reviews cover so much info, and even the comments area is filled with a ton of good stuff. The interwebs appreciate it, sir.
I’m really impressed with Garmin on the 620 (and 220). They did so many small things that I just never thought they would implement. It is the perfect running watch for me.
The last 2 runs that I’ve made have been on the treadmill. The accuracy of pace between what the treadmill says vs. my watch vary greatly. From reading eariler post I’m not too worried as I have only ran once outside, so the watch still needs to learn my pace. At least, that’s what I’m hoping for.
But my question Ray is this, after uploading the data from my 2 indoor runs, the date and time is (wrongly) based on greenwich time which is a day ahead of where I live. I live in Indiana. Is there a way to correct that?
on the official 620 forum, I found the posting below.
Can you confirm or deny any of the information in the posting?
Would there be a different chipset in the present watches than in the early versions?
I am eager to buy a Forerunner 620, but not with all those accuracy problems…
POSTING:
I posted this in another thread but it is more applicable here:
DCRainmaker (Ray Maker) stated part of the reason the 620 had low quanities in the marketplace at first was due to a late change in the GPS chipset. Now I am not implying I know for sure but perhaps that means they went with a lower cost, less accurate part late in development.
In the past newer, more accurate chipsets often had faster and faster satellite acquisition times but now we add a new element (that Nike and TomTom long have had) which is that Garmin is putting a week long, world wide, database of satellite positions in the watch each and every time you sync so the fast acquisition of the 620 may have more to do with the database than an improved chipset.
1. No one has yet stated the exact model of the onboard GPS chipset, ie. SiRF IV etc.
2. No one has yet confirmed if this is GPS only or GPS/GLONASS but you have to assume it isn’t GLONASS because not only is accuracy not the greatest Garmin has included any features to turn off/on the GLONASS like in the Edge 510. I think we can be pretty sure it is GPS only.
3. It may not even be possible to improve accuracy of the GPS track beyond what exists today in software if the base chipset isn’t as good as for example the 610.
I am curious of the results if anyone has run with the 620 in tree cover, or even better with the 620 in tree cover WITH a older Garmin for comparison. While the track of my 620 isn’t “bad” in wide open spaces it is off enough vs. other GPS devices from Garmin in the past that I have little confidence on how the 620 will perform when I take to the trails. IMHO this unit has the worst on the run GPS accuracy since the Garmin 305 I had years ago… More recently my Garmin 405 and 210 and Nike Sportwatch+ were better than this. The Garmin Edge 510 (for bikes) is WAY better.
No, all production units have the same chipset. Beta units had different chipsets, which is why I waited until I had a final production chipset to write the review on.
Having been watching that thread, I wouldn’t make the assumptions noted there. In fact, I pulled up this morning a FR610 and a FR620 run from the same run, and the FR620 was notably better than the FR610 track (which was in some cases far off). Sure, there were two points I could see on the FR620 track where it wandered perhaps 10-20m off, but that’s over the course of 16 miles.
What I didn’t see in that thread was any indication the person rang up support, especially given the unit was showing all sorts of other funkiness (dropping GPS entirely, etc…).
Thanks for the quick response Ray. I didn’t mean to imply that production units had different chipsets, only that a “late change” was made BEFORE production and the accuracy issues I am seeing make me wonder if whatever change they made was a regression in chipset, perhaps to save money.
The errors *I* am seeing are not ones that create a huge impact, but rather compared to my old Garmins performances dating back all the way to the Forerunner 305 (which seemed the same). The 405 seems to do a bit better than the 620 for me and that watch was released 5 years ago! To get an idea of the “errors” I am talking about the 405 and on would put me dead center a open, no tree bike path but on the 620 I often will see myself just off the path and drifting on and off from time to time. Likely adding very little % of error but just looking “off” compared to what I am used to. When near buildings or trees the error increases even more vs. my older watches (305/405/210/NikeSW+).
I wonder if perhaps this has something to do with not waiting long enough for the GPS lock to settle before starting my runs as there is no accuracy screen in feet/meters like older Garmin watches that I allowed to settle to a lower 30ft/10m accuracy even after they locked before I started running. Perhaps something as simple as waiting longer or Garmin helping out by adding back in such a screen could go a ways to correct these issues.
Hi Ray,
Thanks for a great review.
I,ve just bought a 620 and been around the same course 3 times. The first time my pace according to GC was fairly constant. The second time the pace according to GC was very erratic towards the end ranging from 6 to 16. As I had autolap set to 1 mile I decided to use average pace for current lap to try to smooth out the variation. On the third run I looked at the average pace for the lap and it was 9.55. A few yards later a mile point was reached and the pace for the lap was 10.28. A similar thing happened later. When I got home I uploaded to GC and the pace chart was like the alps. Although I feel I ran a fairly even pace one lap was over a minute faster than another. On the map I checked the lap points for the last 2 runs and there was a noticeable difference in lap positions. This may account for the difference in lap pace and average lap pace as some miles were longer than others. It is strange as the first run was OK. Has anyone else had problems like this?
As injured runner I cant comment on GPS accuracy, but situation looks worrisome. Main reason for me to buy 620 as first GPS watch was that Ray classified 620 as “most advanced running watch”. I knew I had to give in on HR metrics, compared with (my old) Suunto T6D and compared to my wife’s Ambit. Yes 620 gives Training Effect as single number (based on firstbeat algo), but what is missing in GC is how EPOC varies over time, and at which timepoint I arrives it’s peak. Also the VO2 estimation (function of time) and beat2beat (function of time), all available in Movescount. here 620 is lacking behind significantly.
Not to talk about missing navigation feature, and missing cycling mode. Hope Firmware updates will make 620 best buy after all.:)
The fast GPS reception of the 620 is a great achievement, especially here in Montreal with the cold weather coming in very early this year. But this quick reception is sometimes not accurate. I start my run in Downtown Montreal. I leave the building and 20 seconds later, I get my reception, great. The problem is the precision. I looked at my run yesterday, and it looks as if I started running on top of the buildings. This lasted for 1 km and at some point, it even looks like I made some circular zigzagging , while my watch was indicating a very slow pace.
What’s missing, or maybe it is there but I cannot find it, is the “Precision” data field. I was using it with my 610. Before running, I was waiting for the precision to be under 10m. The other trick I was using was to stop walking, and wait for the speed to be at 0 (or –:– actually) during around 30s. This would tell me that the precision is good. It would be common to see the speed change quite a bit during that waiting until it stops.
It seems that I will have to do the same with the 620. This is a general a GPS problem, not necessarily caused by the watch. It would just be great if there could be better indication of poor precision on the 620.
You could maybe try using the elevation field. Do you usually start your runs from the same place?
I start either from work or home as a rule, and I know the elevation of both places. If the elevation field is a long way off, then I know the lock isn’t that good yet. Can actually be a better guide than precision.
I have to experiment more but bottom line is I am seeing the lowest GPS accuracies of any watch they have released in more than 5 years on my 620. I can’t yet tell if it is a fundamental and unfixable regression of the chipset itself they picked for the 620 … OR… perhaps it is a side effect of the amazingly quick GPS acquisition times that is achieved by the 620 and its new database of weekly global satellite positions.
I too (and many other Garmin users I suspect) did what you did and waited additional time after our Garmin’s locked until the error in feet/meters settled down to between around 10m or 30ft from where the watch original locked which could be a 5 times greater level of error. I had found if I didn’t wait for this happen the overall accuracy of the watch would seldom improve much while I was moving over the course of an entire run.
With the 620 having no accuracy screen and with its lightening quick GPS fix reception I find myself “waiting a little bit” extra and then going off running but with no way of knowing exactly what the watch has pinpointed I suspect I am off and running sooner than with past watches.
Perhaps this has a lot to do with the accuracy issues I am having… I hope, because the alternative is pretty disappointing. I will wait longer and see what happens, and I hope Garmin considers adding back in an accuracy screen to allow us to “watch the watch” settle down in accuracy before starting our runs.
In all honesty, with all the GPS accuracy problems I am reading about in this forum and even more in the official Garmin Forerunner 620 forum, I find it unacceptable and misleading that Ray (who I really appreciate) chooses the Forerunner 620 as the best running watch available. I find this watch, with its current gps accuracy problems, a complete rip off!
For the couple that are having problems, especially David – have you called Garmin support and/or tried having the unit swapped out?
I say that because looking at the sheer volume of units shipped (given what I know, I’d guess we’re talking at least 10,000+ FR620’s at this point), if the problem were more widespread, I’d see a much higher volume of people (since, realistically, anyone with a problem goes to the Garmin Forums or here). I’m only seeing a few people, with overlap as well. If I look at accuracy of mine unit, it’s mind-boggling how precise it is. I just returned from doing 1-mile repeats. I’ve been doing them in the same spot the last month. On almost every single loop I start at the same point and it finishes (beeps) each mile in most cases on the same exact 1-meter concrete block.
Hence why anytime I see GPS accuracy issues, I really encourage (first, a full reset of the unit), and then second calling up support. This applies to Garmin, Polar, Timex, Suunto, you name it. There are always bad lemons. I’ve never seen a case where things solved themselves/got better through additional runs.
Claude – The challenge with your stopping test is it doesn’t account for filtering of data, which many GPS units do to reduce jumpiness of the pace stream.
Thanks Ray, I will call but out of curiosity now do you hit the road running the moment you have a lock or do you wait longer to let the watch settle down? Like you I am using this watch in different locations around the world on many runs that are thousands of miles apart so perhaps I need to give the watch a chance to settle to a better accuracy point before running but the watch just locks SO FAST (which is a good thing!)
Most of the time I have to wait a bit, generally because I’m waiting for some other device. Today I had to wait about 45-60 seconds after the FR620 found satellites, because the Adidas unit was taking its sweet time.
In the case of the FR620 today, it found satellite before I finished cross the street from my front door, so perhaps 10-15 seconds tops. The Adidas was roughly a minute.
see but as you know the Garmin definition of “lock” doesn’t mean it has reached it highest potential accuracy. i wonder if perhaps you waiting for the 58 devices you strap to your body on each run lets the 620 settle down and be more accurate then if you just walked out the door in a new country, turned the watch on and started running the second it showed “locked”…
i for sure am going to try to let the watch settle at least minute before i run and see if that makes a difference because it isn’t big errors i am seeing, just a general slight drift from accuracy vs. my older gamins (all of which in hindsight i let settle to a 30-50 ft error before i ran, which often took 30-60 seconds longer than just showing a satellite lock.)
thanks again… sometimes i admit i look for problems but there is something going on vs. older units…
I’m seeing similar accuracy issues moving from the 610 to the 620 and have suspected that it is a side effect of the super fast acquisition. On runs where I spend extra time doing dynamic stretching outside (an extra couple minutes after acquisition) I see much better accuracy. If I start running soon after acquisition then things are way off. Ray – this may be something to add to your GPS accuracy testing – i.e. how accurate is each watch from the point it says it’s ready to go – that will be the experienced accuracy by many consumers, at least for the first few miles of their runs.
Overall I’m still happy with the watch and see this as something that will hopefully be worked out with updated firmware (maybe just an accuracy field as others suggest). I do think it’s unfortunate that there are two fairly significant issues (footpod issues, which Garmin has acknowledged, and this accuracy issue), but it hasn’t made me go back to my 610.
Claude – The challenge with your stopping test is it doesn’t account for filtering of data, which many GPS units do to reduce jumpiness of the pace stream.
I did not mean that I stop after having started my run. I meant that when turning on my watch, I stop walking and wait for a better accuracy. If I kept walking (or started running) when it just got reception, it may take up to over 1km to gradually become precise. Here is an example of yesterday’s run: link to connect.garmin.com. The first 1.5 km is off the street.
This, to me, seems to be the exact same behaviour on both the 610 and the 620. The 620 is just faster for the initial reception.
Also, note that this is in downtown, surrounded by big buildings. My main point, is that I used to appreciate the “precision” field (or was it “Accurracy” in english?) on the 610. I’ll have to find an alternative on the 620. I’ll try the elevation field, as suggested by Dom.
I’m seeing similar accuracy issues moving from the 610 to the 620 and have suspected that it is a side effect of the super fast acquisition. On runs where I spend extra time doing dynamic stretching outside (an extra couple minutes after acquisition) I see much better accuracy. If I start running soon after acquisition then things are way off.
I can’t agree. I also own Garmin Edge 510 which is even faster with GPS fix and there are no issues with accuracy at all. And from the principle how GPS works, the initial accuracy may have influence on the first few second of the run, but not after minutes or even an hour.
The GPS position is not just shifted towards one direction, but moves in all directions during a run. Because my watches have already lost GPS fix completely for 2mins in one run in open area with only few trees around, I assume that the problem must be with poor GPS chip sensitivity. Poor sensitivity means that only low number of satellites are “visible” and used for position acquisition, which results in very low accuracy.
Radim: I also have the Edge 510 but that is a fundamentally different chipset then what they are putting in the watches. It has GPS & GLONASS (the only Garmin Edge that does) which seems to go a LONG way to improving accuracy in difficult tree and building coverage (perhaps because it has access to so many more satellites to determine position) and likely uses more battery power (as there is a setting to “save” battery by turning off GLONASS) but being a bigger physical unit than a watch they can put in a larger battery to compensate. I am almost certain the 620 uses a lower power, GPS only chipset.
Got my 620 two 2 days ago: Wifi, Iphone connection and live tracking tested with no issues. GPS syncs really fast and accuracy like the 610. I am really happy with it till now. For curiosity, this was the recovery advised time:
First run, 3.3 miles: 54 Hours
Second run 3.3 miles: 3 days!!
As an updated data point for those ordering the black/blue 620 bundle from Clever Training, I ordered yesterday evening and called today to see what their expected ship date was. I was told late next week or early the week after as their ship date.
Just wanted to briefly catchup on a few things post-call with Garmin this evening:
1) GLONASS: No, neither the FR620 nor the FR220 contains GLONASS.
2) Cycling Mode: This isn’t on the short-term release radar, but it isn’t ruled out either. It’s being looked at still for potential inclusion.
3) ANT+ Weight Scales: Like previously, this isn’t on any radar right now to add in. That hasn’t changed in the past few months. They simply haven’t seen much demand from customers for it (remember, demand is generally measured in official support requests, and to a lesser degree, social media).
4) Navigation support (Find-back style like the FR610): This isn’t on the short-term radar, but also isn’t ruled out either. In other words, no change since earlier this fall.
5) Accuracy Data Field: This was being bantered about being added in. I raised some of the points a few of you made here, and they’ll huddle a bit more on the topic.
6) Accuracy issues: They weren’t aware of any accuracy issues that had been bubbled up at that level. They’ll do some digging around the quick reception vs satellite accuracy combined with waiting concepts noted above.
7) Footpod overwriting GPS: They were going to circle back on this one to me.
Thanks for the update Ray.
What is the most effective way for a user to communicate to Garmin a STRONG desire for them to add (back) the following:
1) a cycling mode,
2) basic navigation (like the 610), and
3) the GPS accuracy field?
It’s only a single data point but my run today I waited a full minute after getting the GPS lock before running a common 5.0 mile loop I do at home. In the past couple of times doing this I saw quite a bit of “drift” of track vs. older Garmin watches and the distance would come up .1-.2 short or sometimes long of what I normally expect having run this loop hundreds of times with other Garmin watches. Today it was dead on and the track looks better (although weirdly not a perfect overlay of the satelite images of the paths I run like other Garmin’s have done) but rather like a 15 foot offset, but consistent.
I think there is something to the whole issue of “get a lock and start running immediately” being the cause of some of the inaccuracies we are seeing and may not commonly impact you since you seldom run without numerous devices leaving you plenty of time to get a more pinpoint location prior to running.
Now if only my rock solid Wi-Fi sync/upload for the last two weeks suddenly stopped working… Sigh.
Your two best options are e-mailing social.support@garmin.com, and then opening up a support ticket about lack of functionality. While channels like Twitter and Facebook (and random other places) are always noticed, they’re much harder to quantify than e-mails and support tickets.
The discussion around the 620 didn’t cover anything else beyond what’s noted above. They are going to dive into the items noted though that weren’t for later on.
Just an update for those who’ve ordered from Clever Training (this is in addition to any updates you’ll receive on Friday). Plus, any shipping notifications. A massive number of units went out today. If you ordered a while ago, and don’t receive a shipping notification today (check your junk mail), you may want to double-check the order status online (or call).
FR620’s:
Blue/Black Non-Bundle: All orders are caught up, stock available for immediate shipment
Blue/Black HR Bundle: Almost all orders are caught up, with the rest expected to catch up with next week’s arrival
Orange/White Non-Bundle: Units in stock.
Orange/White Bundle: They fulfilled all back orders up to this weekend, and was in-stock for a while. It’s now out of stock, with no new units expected till later this month (things could change of course, and likely will).
FR220’s:
Red/Black Non-Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Red/Black Bundle: All caught up, a handful of units in stock for new orders
Purple/White Non-Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Purple/White Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Thanks for the support, I appreciate it! And again, if you have any troubles with orders, please don’t hesitate to use the Contact Me link at the top of the page and I’ll be happy to quickly get it sorted out.
Quick postive feedback – CT shipped my Black/Blue HR bundle earlier today (ordered end of October); was always kept in the loop with info and it all happened as announced, so quite happy with the whole experience. And Ray’s additional updates helped, too :-)
Thanks for the info. I ordered the Black/Blue HRM bundle from CT through Amazon on Tuesday. They said Thursday or Friday for shipping, and got a little worried given what I’ve heard. If it doesn’t ship tomorrow, I have my name in with a local running store and may pick it up there and cancel and/or return the order if they get it in stock.
I bought a FR620 (CT) early November and was shipped 12/4, pretty good timing from my stand point as I’ll be standing on US soil next thursday for about 5 days, due to professional obligations…
Thanks Ray for the discount and hope it helps to support your site and all the personal time you spend doing this (and on us).
Cheers.
Due to an injury, I can’t run and really test out my new 620. I’ve been using it as an HRM inside on the bike and elliptical. But seeing all the accuracy concerns, i was worried so I did a ‘crude’ test today.
On my way to Physical Therapy, i used it in the car. Saved the ‘run’ and then checked it on Garmin Connect. The map was very accurate. I did wait about a minute after it acquired GPS. (i’ve since deleted the ‘run’ as I set all kinds of records ;) )
I just got my FR620 (thanks Clever Training). I must say the screen does not have the nice contrast depicted in this review. It’s very hard to see. I’ll probably be draining the battery all the time due to using the backlight. And there’s no contrast setting like my 310XT. Overall I still am on the fence about keeping it. It’s been dreadfully dark and foggy since I got it so maybe I need to wait for some brighter weather to test out the screen.
In my experience having the back light on all the time is fine – well unless you want to run for hours and hours. In the dark or bad light I tend to have the light on all the time. Generally having GPS on eats battery somewhat quicker than the light.
I guess another issue coming from a 310 is that this has a lot bigger screen.
I have setup a few screens with just 2 key fields on them and that helps to “see” what you really want more easily.
Here’s an original question guys & gals: Can the 620 (or even 220) be used as a daily activity tracker similar to the Loop, etc.? I know not to the extent as a focused activity tracker, but at least as a decent substitute? I’m really intrigued by the Loop, but find it would be too limiting for my real intention when (finally) buying a watch: running!
Thanks in advance…
Ray, thanks for the update on your call with Garmin. Maybe it is just me, but I really miss the countdown (time until end of interval) data field for interval workouts that exists on the 610, and the ability to edit workouts on the watch.
Rainmaker, I searched through but couldn’t find any more specific info on how the internal accelerometer is calibrated. Does it take your latest outdoor run and use that provided it is longer than a certain distance? Does it average all of your outdoor runs and just keep adding to the data pool for correlation between arm swing and pace? I am primarily a runner, but go for occasional bike rides. Last night I took one of those occasional bike rides and strapped the 620 to my handlebars and it got me thinking about what effect that might have on the accelerometer calibration.
How will going at the faster pace of a bike with no arm swing affect the calibration? The rest of the “issues” with no cycling mode are able to be overcome (for someone like me who is just an occasional rider) by your tips in the review for clearing PRs and changing the activity on Garmin Connect. Do you have any insight?
OK, I’ve done four runs with the watch. 3 recovery runs and 1 tempo interval run 5x(5minT + 1minRest). Things I’ve noticed.
1. The watch measures courses shorter by about 0.6-0.8% compared with my 305. Looking at the GPS tracks on Google Maps, I notice the GPS tracking has a tendency to cut corners around turns. Probably where the distance difference lies. If you do an accuracy test, try to include some 90 degree or higher turns.
2. The Vo2Max calculation is a tad optimistic I believe. I put what I believe are current RHR and MHR (49, 180). My Vo2Max after my first run was 52. After this mornings run, 56. I went to be able to run a 19:59 5k to a 18:26 5k (3:11 to 2:56 marathon). All with runs of 5.21, 6.98, 9.94, 5.2
3. I haven’t had really any problems with WiFi. Though on my 2nd run, I forgot I had to press the Connect button on the watch. Worked fine for the 3rd/4th button.
4. I did manage to create a workout online in Garmin Connect and upload to my watch using my phone bluetooth.
5. I wear the watch as a regular watch. It is very light and comfortable.
6. I have no idea how valuable the additional metrics are, but they are interesting especially when running recovery pace versus tempo pace.
7. I just today started to get chafing from the HRM-Run. Just noticed it when I got in the shower.
Hopefully, the 620 doesn’t start to degrade in GPS quality. I was one of the initial 610 guinea pigs, and one of the initial people who found the GPS software bug in that watch which was eventually fixed but it pissed me off for months so I returned the watch.
What are your current PR times? My current vo2max is 56 as well, however, I don’t find the predicted times unrealistic. I haven’t raced a 5K since my 19:18 back in may, but based on my recent training, i’m in 18:30 shape.
Keep in mind that VO2Max is purely looking at aerobic capacity, and doesn’t factor in whether or not you’ve actually trained properly for said event (just like VO2Max tests done on a treadmill/etc…).
Oh I definitely understand that it’s a measure of aerobic capacity (or something) and that you do actually have to train of these races, I just thought it interesting that my vo2Max could change from 52 to 56 from Tuesday to Friday. I was fully expecting it to level off today or go down.
My PR’s are from too long ago (2011), but are a tad faster than Vo2Max=56. It also looks like the race predicition values line up with Daniels’ VDOT chart which I believe also uses vo2Max. The VDOT however does not line up with the Vo2Max value. I think I would have trouble breaking 19:30 in a 5k right now….
It’s based off of every run so it can change. I raced last weekend and this week have taken it easy. My vo2max has “gone down” to 54 as a result of my recovery phase.
For those having problems with accuracy of the GPS, is your data recording set to “smart” or “every second”? Also what exeactly is a “hard” reset? Is it simple turning the watch completely off and back on again? I’m getting my 620 from CT today and will be checking the new 620 with my 610.
Settings > Activity Settings > Data Screens > Virtual Partner > On
Once you enable it, it’s enabled for all subsequent runs. You can change the pace from within the run screen (meaning, you don’t have to dig back into settings).
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Hmmm, I’m still trying to decide between this and the 220. I’m wondering if it’s worth it for me to spend the extra money for the fancier features compared if I really need them. I prefer the look of the 620 a bit more compared to the 220… I really like the 620 and and I love the idea of all that it comes with, but I wonder if the 220 is good enough to still be an exciting addition to my running life… Whichever one I get will need to last a good few years, so I don’t want to be disappointed and wishing I had spent the extra for a long-term investment.
Counts vo2max. We can then show fat calories;;; Without new leaf and various other? thanks !!!!!
Disappointing to see that they have opted to remove the simple navigation features of the 610 in the 620. I really hope Garmin doesn’t think that users should turn to the Fenix if they want features like this, because that kind of navigation is in a whole other league if you ask me. A simple “navigate back to start” is the least they should implement in a watch for this money.
Ray, were you ever able to check the Auto Pause with a workout? I know you’re busy :) Thanks for everything you do for us!
I have not yet had a chance. I’ll try and remember tomorrow after my workout.
Have not tested on 620, but with 410 un 310xt auto-pause and auto-lap don’t work in workout mode. Auto-lap works in Run/Walk mode (Alarms section). I call it poor man’s interval training.
I talked with Clever Training this morning and it looks like they have confirmed that their shipment is coming on Wednesday and depending when it gets there, they’ll either ship orders same day or Thursday morning at the latest. I’m looking forward to getting my 620 real soon now.
Here’s to hope!
I really want to support Ray and the great work he does here, but if these guys change their song again, I will cancel my pre-order with them and simply walk down to my local REI, which received the product, even though they never claimed they would have it first.
Hi Ray, thanks as usual for a fantastic review. Yet again for the umpteenth year your review has persuaded my wallet to part with its contents as the 620 has just replaced my well worn metal-backed 610. I do have a question though. On the 610 the workout history “Weekly Total” counted my workouts running from Monday thru Sunday (which is how my mind (and training plan) works), however the 620 is counting it from Sunday thru Saturday. Is there a way to change this that you’re aware of? It’s only a minor irk, but irking me it is!
Thanks once again! RR
According to the manual (page 9), you should be able to change the first day of the week for your weekly history totals.
Under Settings>System>Format, Start of the Week
I can’t confirm that this works as I don’t have the watch yet.
Excellent! Thanks Mike. I never tried the “format” setting as I thought it was only for formatting the watch. Works a treat though, thanks. I couldn’t find it in the pdf manual…
RR
Did they have GLONASS or not?
Apologies if this has been posted already, but with regards to the syncing of personal records, Ive just noticed a ‘Send to Device’ button on the records section of the dashboard on Garmin Connect.
Nicely done David – I can confirm that this does indeed send historical ‘records’ from Garmin Connect to the 620.
RR
Correct. However, my complaint is that it doesn’t do it automatically. In other words, if it’s talking to the device as part of the upload process – why not update the PR’s then? Seems unnecessary and most users won’t find it/do it.
Well my complaint regarding Garmin PR keeping is the skimpy choice list; 1k, 1m, 5k, 10k HM, Marathon, Longest Run. What about some of the other common distances. 2-5-10-mile, 8-15-20-30k etc. etc. -OR- better yet allow the user to setup/assign their own PR distances.
I don’t see a “Send to device” button in the records section and I’ve updated everything.
The only “send to device” button on the entire site does not send PR information. It sends routes to the device, which isn’t currently supported on the 620.
Derek – the send to device for records is on the bottom half of the Garmin Connect landing page.
Not on any of the 3 browsers that I have tried on a PC. I have gone over every word and pushed every button and there is no such button anywhere on Garmin Connect, save for the one at the top of the details page that doesn’t work with the 620.
Here’s the exact locale of said button, from the Dashboard page: link to dcrainmaker.com
Be sure however that your actively signed in to Garmin Connect, otherwise it won’t show. You know your signed in when in the upper right it says your name, and not ‘Sign-In’.
That button did not exist as of this morning. When I logged in this evening, it was there.
Thank you SO much for all of the incredibly detailed info, pictures & tips!!!
In the picture you have up under “With the plastic removed, you’ve got the below situation:” and the one two down from that, the display looks like the colors are inverted light/dark from the usual display (so the background is now black). How did you do that and is it possible to set that for the overall look of the device?
In that case, it’s just a little sticker on the watch and the display is turned off. ;)
That said, you can actually invert the regular time screen (when in standby mode), and that’s within the settings.
A quick question on the wireless transfer of activities to Garmin Connect over Bluetooth if I may. I was under the impression that once paierd the activities should automatically transfer. That’s not my experience. Even though the 620 is recognised as connected within Garmin Connect, the activities are not transferring over. Are there any known frailties here or can anyone shed some light on what I need to do for a successful transfer over Bluetooth given there no push option from the device to the iPhone app? I’m using an iPhone 5S with the latest version of Garmin Connnect.
Did you enable the “Auto Upload” option within the app (it’s under “My Device” on the left side)?
Yes – autoupload is on. But that cover the upload from the app to Garmin Connect as opoosed the transfer of data from the watch to the iPhone app.
The GC app pulls from the GC site. The activity will then show under Activities (you may need to pull down to refresh).
Understood. What I’m talking about is the functionality to transfer activities from the watch to the iPhone over Bluetooth [and then upload from the app to the Garmin Connect website] as per the following product description “Upload and share [by] connect[ing] anywhere with a Bluetooth low energy-compatible smartphone and Garmin Connect Mobile.” I’d like to use this as I spend a lot of times in hotels and don’t want to have to configure wifi using Express. I assumed it would automatically transfer from device to phone as with the Edge 810.
Hi!
I am experiencing this, too. This seems like a no-brainer to me, but perhaps the function is not there? That would be very weak…
Ray, would be great to have it confirmed that it is or IS NOT possible to upload an activity to GC via the app over bluetooth post-run (and NOT using the Live Track feature).
Cheers,
.jonas
PS. Auto-upload is ON for me, too.
I just confirmed it on mine (iOS with iPhone 5s). I completed a hotel treadmill workout indoors where the app was not in live tracking mode (wasn’t even opened or started). Then afterwards while walking upstairs I opened up app, it automatically connected to phone and pulled workout over. First it showed the little arrow icon on the workout, then it uploaded and showed it like all other workouts. I now see the workout online in Garmin Connect.
Ray, any chance the 610 will get a firmware update to enable it to preload satellites ?
No, not realistically. The FR610 hasn’t received a firmware update in over a year, and even then it was just bug fixes.
Two questions, does the new HRM strap reduce the chafing that is caused by other straps? If so can you get a replacement strap that works with the last generation HRM?
Also is there any plan to add a cycling option to the 620?
Love your reviews
I’m not seeing the chaffing issues with the HRM-Run, nor is The Girl. But at the same time, I don’t always seem to see those year round. For whatever reason, they come and go.
As for the cycling feature, as noted above in the cycling section – it’s something they’re looking at.
So at this point, there is no way to get access to the original .FIT file wirelessly, correct? Is my understanding correct that the only place that file gets put wirelessly is Garmin Connect and that there is no way to directly access/retrieve that file in its original form? I guess on the bright side, being forced to connect it to the USB dongle will help me keep it charged up.
That’s correct.
How accurate/useful do you think the VO2max and recovery check/advisor is? Do you think these functions (and race predictor) are worth the extra cost?
And how good is the touch screen while running and sweaty? I heard people with the 610 having problems with the touch screen, is the 620 better in that regard? I’m still stuck in deciding between the 620 and 220…
Thanks!
I would be interested in how the VO2max and recovery check/advisor & race predictor works? .As you mention VO2max is not necessarily a reflection of performance. I guess its using a formula of pace & heart rate to work out these things, something like TRIMP for recovery.
I’ve have a 610 and one of the reasons I’ve ordered a 620 is because of the touch screen. It works well, once I got use it. Some set up menus with fine, small touch sensative ares are frustrating, but I don’t use them much. The main advantage of the touch screen, for me, is when running, even in the rain or when very sweaty. Once I became accusomed to the process, it’s much easier to change screens with a swipe than finding the button.
On VO2Max and Recovery Check/Advisor, I talk a fair bit about it within those sections, including comparisons to my actual VO2max as well as what it thought for recovery vs what I thought.
Ultimately, it’s all driven by HRV data, so it doesn’t account for how tired you may be in areas such as what your legs feel like.
Great review as always.
I’m a little disappointed with the internal accelerometer as a substitute for a footpod. Initial tests show similar results to DC Rainmaker with the pace at fast & slow paces being out. For treadmill intervals I’ll stick with the footpod for now as I’ve a lot of faith in the calicration.
Hi Ray,
2 somewhat strange question maybe…
1) I understand that you “only” have the run option on the 620, but in case you use it for paddling would the HRM strap record cadence? I.e. if you stand still and rotate around an imagine axis where your head and stomach is your centre point will you see any cadence then? What about for x-skiing, could you track if you do double pooling or going in diagonal stride…
2) I understand that the 620 can upload data via wifi and that it’s visible as a storage device even on a linux computer… But what about trainings? If you create an advance training on garmin connect can you transmit it to the device on a linux computer?
Do you have any rumours on other devices from the big brands with wifi and support for linux computers? I think I can go with my 305 for some time more… Especially as it looks as alot happening now starting with the Motrola one… Wonder if Google will continue anything on that track…
/Lars
1) I wouldn’t think that would work well, since the HRM-Run is measuring ‘bounce’ to determine cadence. Thus in the case of paddling you lack such bounce for each stroke. In the case of cross-country skiing, you may actually get some measurement of cadence using the internal unit and not the HRM-Run. Whether that corresponds with reality will remain to be seen. As you might have seen when I tried it swimming – it gave me consistent numbers for ‘stroke’, but not numbers that really correlated to anything logical (i.e. it seemed 2-3 times actual values).
2) I’d have to check on composing just the workout files and plopping them there.
the bounce of the boat should trigger a cadence reading. I’ve had teammeates use it in various paddling sports to record strokes/minute.
Be sure to check your local running stores if you’re waiting for an online pre-order to ship. One of the stores here in the Toledo area received a few 620s and 220s yesterday, and I was able to grab a 620 last night at their 8K 9.10.11.12.13 race.
Got my clever training email that my 620 is on its way! think I ordered it back on Sept 22nd USPS tracking info hasn’t updated yet…should be here by this weekend or maybe Monday? should have done overnight, I’ve been waiting patiently, but now it would be nice to run w/ it in some nice weather this weekend…
Ordered mine on the 23rd from RR, still nothing.
Got my shipping confirmation on a Purple 220 with HRM today from clever training.
I placed my pre-paid order with Clever Training on Oct. 1 and haven’t heard anything yet.
I called RR today and they told me that they will be shipping the fr620 on Friday 11/15.
Hi Rick – You may want to check and see if it got snagged in your junk mail folder. As others noted, e-mail communications have been going out.
Well crap my FR305 just bit the dust today, can’t bloody believe it!! Battery came up low I recharged, now it simply won’t power up. Might look at repair, but not sure if it is worth it or not.
I was hoping I would have until the spring to decide on what my next GPS watch would be. Currently have been on the fence w/ the 220 v. 620, and have considered the 310 as well. Last month I told myself, if the 310 hits any where close to the 149 mark over the holiday season I may have to jump on it.
Well thank goodness for the internet & youtube. Did a hard reset (reset, mode, power, then power), and she back in business. Good that buys me some time.
I placed mine on sept 19 on Clever Training and nothing… That sucks, I sent them an email and also nothing.
Another email, and still nothing. Very disappointed, specially cause I placed my order the first day it became available for pre order.
Well, they never sent anything but I got it today, I guess they had too many units to ship, so thanks! I did a 20 min run tonight just why not!
I thought I was being smart and ordered from the Chicago Garmin store on 9/17. They usually are the first to get new releases. Guess not with the 620. No word.
About the HRM – new run model. I purchased it as a stand-alone item because of Ray’s experience that it actually does what it is supposed to do – transmit HR without the strange extreme initial readings of earlier models. I have been using the “improved” strap from a few years ago that I think came with my Garmin 610. I also have the Suunto Ambit strap. Neither gives good data for the first 5-10 minutes of a run, and neither works AT ALL in winter when I run outdoors with a base layer, a mid layer, and a windshell. Basically no HRM for outdoor workouts in winter. Until today!! Based on just one run (so take it for what its worth) – not only did the new HR-Run strap function through my usual winter layering, but no weird extreme initial values, no dropouts, and basically the cleanest HR data I have ever seen. So far so good, as advertised and as reported by DCR. Hope to see this continue. btw, this was recorded using my Suunto Ambit. I don’t use the Garmin 610 outdoors in winter because it takes way too long to pick up a signal (very cold standing and waiting). The Ambit is nearly immediate.
Just a heads up, REI online currently (11/13/13 10:50 pm CST) has the Black/Blue 620 HRM bundle IN STOCK and ready for shipping. They have no other version (Orange/White bundle OR either non-HRM version) in stock. I sadly canceled my other orders as I just don’t want to wait on what my not even trickle out before I am stuck a treadmill the next few months.
I ordered the blue/black 620 from REI on 9/23 which obviously has been on backorder until now. I checked my REI account and it shows that my order has now shipped (today) complete with a tracking number, so things are looking up (except for the snow/rain and 30-degree temperatures).
Thanks, order placed. Yes it’s more expensive than RRS was but I have no confidence on when they will actually deliver my order.
Is it worth to get this over the FR610?
The price on FR610 is under 2/3 of the FR620! (almost half the price)
And the glass on FR620 is it some sort of gorillas-glass (like on Nokia phones)?
No one have a clue on the glass if its hardened like suunto Sefireglass ?
Both the FR220 and FR620 are plastic. The Fenix/Tactix are glass.
Evidently purchasing through Clever Training was a mistake given their lack of shipping, communication, and how other retailers don’t seem to have these problems. At least I have a useless coupon code….
Hmm…
I guess I’m confused though. Clever has been sending out status updates every few weeks (more recently even in the last two weeks), even calling folks in some cases. They initially set dates in November, based on what was provided to them.
As for other retailers, I’m not sure what you mean. The comment above are full of other retailers (not all of course) promising dates even the next day when that clearly wasn’t going to happen.
If you have an order that’s in that you’re having troubles with – let me know and I’m happy to help.
The only update from clever training has been the previously mentioned useless coupon code from two weeks ago, along with “We expect to begin fulfilling orders Mid-November in the order in which they were placed on Clevertraining.com.”
That was 31 October. If there’s “more recently in the last two weeks” I haven’t been included.
Dissatisfied,
Have you tried calling Clever Training? I called yesterday morning (and waited on hold for exactly zero seconds) and was told that my order would likely be shipping that same day. Sure enough, I got a shipping confirmation email yesterday afternoon and should have my watch tomorrow.
I got a 620 in black/blue with HRM, and I ordered on September 20. I wonder if some of the variation in order dates and order fulfillment has to do with variation in which particular watch in which particular color with or without HRM that people ordered. Undoubtedly, retailers are getting different quantities of each type and have received varying number of orders for each type.
I’m also in the mid-October order from CT club. I’m not upset with CT, and understand they will supply the watch as soon as they get it. Although, I must second the comment about lack of unsolicited shipping status updates from CT. Customer service has been very responsive to emails and calls, but I also I have received no regular updates. I just bug them every few days, and they get back to me.
Dave,
I’m in Afghanistan and thus unable to call to check on my order. Being here also means 2-3 extra weeks for shipping, longer as we get closer to the holidays and our mail slows down even more.
I finally got a response to my email inquiry from Mariah that basically says that they don’t know when it will ship, and have no other information until I get my automated shipping email. “Outside of this we have no additional details.” Not terribly helpful, especially when others seem to be able to call or email and get at least a feeling for where they are in the queue.
The whole point of a pre-order is to get it sooner, not later. They’ve had my money for well over a month now and can’t even estimate when I might see a unit.
I’m now awaiting confirmation of my order cancellation and then I will order from a retailer who actually has them in stock.
I wanted to support Ray for his excellent reviews, but in hindsight I don’t think Clever Training is a big enough retailer to deal with the demand that his support generates.
Again, I appreciate your support, and am sorry that you’re having to wait. I also appreciate your service.
Ultimately, pre-orders merely saves a spot in line. It’s no different with large companies like Apple. Obviously, Clever Training isn’t the only retailer to get the Garmin Forerunners. And other retailers are struggling to get information from Garmin.
Sure, Clever could have lied to you in their e-mail, but I’m not sure what gain that has. Nobody has been provided quantities beyond this week (really, nobody). Nor, have they (or anyone else) been provided color/type distribution. Any near-term dates people are giving are really just a guess. Garmin is supposed to provide the next set of date-related information next week (and again, it’s not dates that’s actually important, it’s quantities).
No doubt you’re seeing others get units – of course. Keep in mind however that due to the sheer numbers of people that visit that site, anyone that gets any unit is posting here, no matter if they went to a running shop that had two units and that’s it – whether that be in the US or elsewhere.
Again, I’m sorry you can’t get yours sooner. But I do appreciate you trying to support the site.
Has the field “GPS accuracy” really been omitted??
I found that information extremely useful. I never started a training session with my FR620 unless the accuracy was below 10 m. While running the device has always difficulties to catch and lock new satellites.
Maybe they thought that with the pre-caching, it wouldn’t be necessary anymore? However, I would like to have that information.
I’m sure it doesn’t matter to anyone but me, but I wanted to write what upset me about this whole process. I preordered from Clever the second week in October, I think the 16, or 17 or 18, I have to find my receipt. Anyway, I’m waiting patiently, and I understand this is almost entirely Garmin’s fault with the rollout — (even noting that they didn’t deceive anyone, posting a Fall delivery date, so big deal – they still have time to come through with their estimated date. However, they have obviously been out in the wild already, people picked them up at the Expos – even a guy in the Netherlands reported buying one. Anyway, I held one of these, the 620, in my hand yesterday at my local running store in Connecticut. That is what irritated me. I didn’t buy it because, hey I had one on preorder – and based on what Clever said, they will get theirs yesterday and mail out immediately. I waited all night. I check here and see a few confirmations – “hey I got my mailing notification from Clever… yeah” — and I waited. And I didn’t get anything. So I missed out on getting one from their admittedly small first shipment from Garmin. I went back this morning to the store intent on buying the one they had in stock, and of course, they sold out. Mind you its 10:15am as I write this, the store has been open for 15 minutes. What little they had sold out yesterday between the hours of 1 and 5pm. So now, I have nothing. Not even an idea of when Clever may get their next little shipment from Garmin. What do I have to wait a week, two??? This isn’t an “I’m never ordering from Clever again note” but it is definitely a “I’m never preordering from anyone again.” I’m thinking of just canceling it altogether. What do I need another watch for, to add to my collection of 4 already? Maybe I can put that money towards some new kicks, two or three pairs of Wave Rider 17’s…. yes maybe, I hear they are available for pre-order……….
Rich out of curiosity was that Fleet Feet? Was going to check in there later :)
No, but if I can get up to West Hartford today, I am going to stop by and see if they have anything. Good luck to you.
It seems to me that those who ordered in mid-September from Clever are starting to get their orders.
Those, like me, who ordered in mid-October, still have a wait. I don’t see what’s so confusing about that…
Sure, I wish mine showed up before my 10K this weekend, but, oh well — iSmoothRun on my iPhone does a fairly good job, and when my 620 does come in, I’ll have saved 10% and 6% sales tax…
I actually find nothing “confusing” about that – I simply find it irritating. I thought that was pretty clear from what I wrote. Especially the parts where I said I don’t blame Clever or even Garmin who promised a Fall Delivery and will probably come through with it before the end of the Fall. However, I find it irritating that they are out there – and stupid me, preordered the thing for apparently no reason.
Also, I got an email from Clever after I asked about status and Mariah replied that I was about halfway down a very long list of orders.
A Ray has mentioned, this is clearly a case of Garmin not anticipating the demand for the product — and perhaps distributing watches outside of where they have pre-orders — which is somewhat understandable as they surely want to get some exposure in other venues such as the RnR events.
It would be interesting to know how many pre-orders are at Clever as a result of Ray’s followers vs. other channels!
Thanks for the detailed review…exactly what I needed. It’s a very nice watch. I have the 405 and kind of bulky for girls, but it works. I’m glad you posted a picture of what it looks like on a female wrist.
I pre-ordered my 620 from CT on Sep 30 and after sending an email yesterday asking the shipping status (no response) I called this morning. Basically they are still not able to give me an expected date that my unit will ship. I live in Connecticut as well and am wishing now that I would have saved the money for the last six weeks and bought local (as I would have bought this yesterday).
I talked to FF a minute ago they said they don’t have them yet but expect them today or tomorrow.
If you pre-ordered, you have to realize that ordering at CT opened around Sept 18th on a very popular and anticipated GPS. Every day that ticked by since 9/18 would have put you farther and farther down the list. If CT had received the 620 at the same time as everyone else (which obviously didn’t happen), those who had ordered very close to 9/18 would receive their order, with everyone else just moving up the list. There just wasn’t any way that they would be receiving the hundreds of units necessary to fulfill every pre-order.
This is the danger of pre-orders. Those who ordered in the first few days will have orders shipped to them whenever CT gets them in stock. The rest just move up the list. In the mean time, people continue to order and their names get tagged to the end of a list that will only continue to grow until shipping stock finally exceeds demand. All the while, stores who did not take pre-orders, were lucky enough to receive units before CT, and who do a lesser volume may have 620’s sitting on their shelves. If you “have to” get your hands on a 620 right now, you can pretty much count on paying full retail. If you want a discount, the price you pay is waiting.
Is there a reason to be mad at Clever Training? You certainly can’t fault CT for not shipping items that they haven’t received. What about CT’s assertion that they would be the “first” to get them from Garmin? Obviously that didn’t happen. If CT was assured by Garmin, at any level, that they were going to be the “first” to receive the units, then shame on Garmin! If CT made that statement without a guarantee from Garmin, then shame on Clever Training! I doubt that we will know which is the actual case. Either way, you can wait and save, or find someone who has it in stock and pay full price.
I think the problem most people have is that the watches seem to be readily available now. Heck, you can go to REI.com and puchase the Black/Blue 620 and have it shipped today. Yes, you won’t get the 10% off (unless your a member), but with REI you get their excellent return policy and guarantee.
Although, with Overnight shipping, CT pricing + discount pretty much = full price. So, the only difference is having it right now or waiting until CT gets the product from Garmin. Clearly, CT is not on Garmin’s A list of retailers, in terms of volume, so it’s not surprising they don’t get served first.
After discussing my situation with CT, they still were not able to tell me what position I was in line waiting to receive my watch. While out on the bike today I stopped at a local running store and bought the 620. Would have been nice to save the $80 and support the site, but I do not want to sit around and watch other people utilizing the watch while those of us who pre-paid for this back in September continue to wait. Great review of the watch, now it is time for me to figure out how to use it.
Just a quick question about the HRM-Run: You mentioned that other garmin devices can read/record the heart-rate data provided by it, but not the running dynamics, which makes sense, since they don’t have the firmware to understand vertical oscillation or GCT, but I’m curious if that includes cadence as well. Since they usually get cadence data from a footpod, will other garmin devices be able to understand/record cadence data from the HRM-Run for someone without a footpod?
Thanks so much again for all your amazing reviews, running & travel stories and all the help and answers to our many many questions!!
REI does NOT have them in stock according to the web site. This is hit or miss. You may get lucky, but the notion that they are readily available everywhere is just not true. Not amazon, not rei, etc, etc.
Um, REI has the Blue/Black 620 with HRM in stock. I’ve got one in my cart…
Yep they do, it is just the orange/white that is oos.
Martin you are wrong. It says “*Out of Stock” under the drop downbox that allows you to pick the color and model so you assumed that meant all of them. Notice the tiny * symbol next to the Out of Stock… When you select the drop down you see the * next to the orange/white NOT the blue/black WHICH IS IN STOCK.
Well having spent many years in the retail/catalog/internet business, I always thought that by law, no company could charge a person’s credit/debit card until the item ordered has been shipped. I know Amazon follows this practice. The only exception would be “Special Orders”.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong here. The fact that CT or any other company for that matter, is not following this process/practice as other companies do, has me a somewhat concerned.
That’s what bugged me the most about the process. This is unusual in this day and age.
There is no law that prohibits, nor even discourages a retailer from charging you for an item that is not currently in stock. The only requirement is that they inform you if the shipping date exceeds 30 days, in which case, they must give you the option of waiting or getting a refund. While there are retailers who don’t charge until shipping occurs, it is not at all the norm. It remains such an oddity that the banner, “You will not be charged until the item ships” remains a valid advertising bullet point.
It is NOT required by law and it may not even been “common” to not charge a card prior to shipping however it IS common to not charge a card for the major retailers most of us deal with online: amazon, rei, road runner sports, even garmin itself. I was stunned when Clever Training charged my card back when I ordered the 620 day 1, Sept 18th and frankly I was uncomfortable with a smaller retailer holding my money for so long before who the product would even be available. At the time they also had no warning about charging the card and they later added it. I like little Clever training and have purchased from them in the past but in this case REI has my money and believe it or not is shipping me an in stock 620 whenI ordered only yesterday. Worth the 10% price difference to me but it upsets me because I like to support ray (I have before and will continued to do so when I can in the future.)
David, had you just waited, you would have had your 620 by today and saved the 10%. CT shipped all of their inventory, as soon as it arrived, to the people that were at least on the first couple of days worth of orders.
True, but I didn’t feel comfortable having parted with my $450 to a small company for 2 months with no product to show for it. While I have purchased an in stock item from them in the past this experience was not what I was hoping for although I am watching how they process all you guys it judge how I’ll handle using them in the future because I want to continue to support Ray. From what he says a new system to only charge cards after shipping is coming that would sure go a long way to making me feel better about preorders from clever training.
Well… RoadrunnerSports says they have shipped my 620 bundle (black/blue). That would be 4 days earlier than they said they would.
Just trying to get a little clarity on how WiFi actually works. On my 610 with wireless communication using the Ant Agent, I have to be in range of my home laptop in order to transfer data. Understood. So run data sits on my watch until I get home. If traveling, that data accumulates – unless I’ve got my laptop in tow.
From the review photos it appears that the Express Fit app gets download onto my laptop and then searches for WiFi networks in range. Does that mean the behavior is basically simulating the same process as the Ant Agent? I.E. if I’m at work and have WiFi access but that network wasn’t available when I configured the Express Fit app at home, will the 620 not be able to connect? In my head, WiFi uploads implies that I’ll be able to upload at work, or Starbucks, or traveling, or from any point that offers WiFi access? Does the Express Fit app limit the networks the 620 will be able to connect to based on the ‘range’ of what was available on set up?
The follow up question would be – if I bring mu laptop to work and the Express Fit app is able to recognize the WiFi there, will my 620 be able to connect the next time I’m at work if my laptop is at home?
The 620 connects to wifi networks without needing any other device (laptop or other) once you configure it using your computer and the app. You only need to configure it once per wifi network, and you don’t need to be actually connected to that network with your laptop when you configure. You just need to know the network name/password information for the networks you will want to connect to (home, work, friend’s house, etc) and you can set that all up at home that first time if you want. From then on the watch will automatically connect to all those pre-configured networks whenever it’s in range (you wont need anything with you besides the watch itself :).
You won’t be able to connect to a network like Starbucks, or many hotel wifi, however, because they require a secondary in-browser login to their networks to work, and there is no way to pre-configure the watch for that.
Got it! Thanks for helping to make sense of that for me.
I’ve got a related question. Does the PC running Garmin Express have to be switched on for the WiFi upload to work? In other words, after the initial configuration stage, is the watch communicating with the PC, or direct with Garmin Connect over the internet?
It goes directly out to Garmin Connect. PC can be powered down.
As always : best review ever. So perfect ! I ordered the 620 since the 6th october ! Waiting, waiting, waiting !
As for everybody, the purple color is the best, then i turned to the orange/white.
Has the orange become discolored at all?
Fwiw, I haven’t seen it discolor on The Girl’s watch.
Hi,
I can not install the garmin connect fit software to my Mac running the newest software. It shows me the possibility to install, but when I get the actual install page, the button clicks but no further. I’m in the UK if that helps!
When I check REI now, it shows all 4 versions as out of stock, but available to be backordered so I don’t know why some show it in stock and others not.
You are probably reading the website incorrectly. Only the color combinations with a * next to it is out of stock. Black/blue doesn’t have a *. The white/orange does.
Got it. I does show the blue/black with HRM as available, but the arrival date is not until the 18th even with overnight which makes me wonder if they actually have them in stock vs a date when they are supposed to arrive. Thanks for the clarification
The 18th arrival date is because rei only promises to process their orders within 48 hrs, unlike most “ship today” stores. Because we are close to the weekend if they ship in 48 hrs you won’t get it until the 18th even overnight because of the weekend. They OFTEN beat the 48 hrs by a lot so you MIGHT get it sooner but they don’t commit to that.
Just checked with REI — order has to be in by 9 a.m. Pacific time in order to ship overnight — so past that window today and delivery shows as Monday for orders by 9 a.m. tomorrow.
just checked with REI and the blue/black with HRM is in stock and can be shipped as early as tomorrow. All of the others are backordered
I preordered mine from RRS back on Sept 26.I just ordered mine from REI and paid for Saturday shipping (44.95) just waiting on my shipped email.At this point I don’t care to pay the extra money.I am tired of waiting and kinda want the HR monitor version now anyway!
Yeah i just cancelled my preorder from RRS, too much misinformation to get you to not cancel your preorder. One rep tells the truth of it being likely december until mine would ship, but then another one keeps saying no, it should ship our this week, blah blah blah. REI is worth the extra money.
Isn’t REI the same if you are a member, 10% discount? And I believe membership is just a one time $20 expense. But you do have to wait until the end of the year to get the 10% back. And if you use your REI branded credit card, you get an additional 5%. Further, the return policy is pretty amazing at REI, pretty much the same as Costco.
matt,
I’ve also been in discussions with RRS about when they plan on shipping these things. I’ve been tempted to order from REI, but their ship to store or ship to address doesn’t work out well for me. So I’ve decided to wait a little more. I’ve even contacted local running store and thought about shopping local and supporting them (with a 10% discount also).
Oh, REI online says 620 Blue/Black HRM availability at their Seattle Flagship store.
Apparently they didn’t make enough of the the White/Orange watch or demand for the White/Orange watch is much higher. Heck REI has stock at all local stores by me in the Black/Red 220.
ekutter- the only difference in price is that i have to pay tax with REI b/c they have stores in texas. RRS doesn’t. Honestly though, the return policy is too good. They’re taking back my defective 610 no problem.
dcv- best of luck for you. the difference for me is $37 in tax. but peace of mind knowing i can exchange it if it’s defective at any time makes me think it’s worth it. i’ve gotten quite a few items from REI and always had good experiences with them. why is it that the shipping doesn’t work out for you but for RRS it does?
matt – it would arrive too late to get any real usage for about 7-10 days, so there is no rush to get it, if I can’t use it… If it shows up at the local REI I’ll think about it.
I was wondering how many guys are opting for the white/orange setup??
Or for that matter gals going for the black/blue?
I’m a girl getting the black/blue. It’s actually one of my absolute favorite color combinations. I have way too much stuff that’s one or both of those colors, especially sports related stuff.. and Im typing this on my blue w/black accents laptop ;)
I’m a girl and I love the black/blue. But I also love bright colours, so the orange/white is pretty sweet. If I get the 620 it’ll be black/blue. However, I’m STILL trying to decided between the 620 and 220… Sigh…
Thanks Clever Training! Got mine today! No shipping notification or anything, so it was quite a surprise. For those wondering, I ordered on 9/17.
And thanks to you, Rainmaker, for the thorough post that helped me pull the trigger. I have my first 1/2 marathon this Sunday. Hope I can figure out how to work this thing by then!
Nice, Letitia! You inspired me to call CT and they confirmed that mine shipped yesterday as well. Hopefully I’ll have it before heading out to Vegas for the RnR Half!
Ray, strange one today not in the manuals or seen before or on here.
I ran 30 min, stopped and saved. Recovery advisor, vo2 max etc all fine. I then started again (basically a test to see how recovery advisor reacted and to emulate 2 runs 1 upload a day conditions) after 1 minute I paused (stopped) the run and got on a ferry to start again on the other side as my heart rate dropped I got a message “recovery 89bpm [12 bpm]” what did that mean?! And any reference? Great review. Thanks.
They’re different things. The recovery message you saw is anytime your HR drops into the recovery zone after you’ve pressed pause/stop but before you’ve saved the activity.
This is “Recovery Heart Rate” message You see on 310xt, 910xt and 610 after 2 minutes on pause.
It shows current HR 89 and 12 beats drop. If HR drops less than 20% in 2 minutes, it’s time to take day off. But that’s only true when You finish workout at >80% HRmax.
link to is.gd
I pre-ordered a 620 HRM from Clever Training on 11-4 (checkout quoted a ship date of mid November at the time). After reading the recent comments I realized was wayyyy late to the pre-order party, so I just canceled my order and purchased from REI. Thanks to dcv2002apv2005 and others for the heads up on that.
Really looking forward to getting my hands on it!
For those ordered via Clever Training and have received shipping confirmation, it would be great if you could post not only when you placed your order, but also which color/bundle you ordered.
I think this will help to give people an idea where they stand in terms of the next orders.
Thanks.
FYI, I placed my order on sept 19 white bundle with CT, got it today.
Garmin Sweden cancelled my order!
Well i swallowed my pride and ordered from Wiggle.com!
Well on the positive side it was cheaper from Wiggle :-D
I guess i will have in January they say mid December, But i don’t think you can believe any thing Garmin say when it comes to delivery dates ;-)
Ordered the Forerunner 220 (26 Sept) from cleaver training – received it yesterday (14 Nov).
First impression: I’m surprised at how CHEAP this 300.00 “state of the art” GPS watch feels.
The 210 model seemed much more durable… I’m curious if the 620 has the same plastic
Cheap feel? I did notice the buttons were not plastic – can anyone give me some feedback on this?
So here’s my suggestion… I have no idea if any of the companies would do it though. Create a page with order numbers for each model so a customer can look at the list and see how far down they really are. Shouldn’t take more than a couple minutes to do and it would answer soe of the questions. It also frankly would cause users to place their order elsewhere in the hopes of getting it sooner, but thats happening already. I jut got my 620 from REI.
How about Garmin doing a better job of researching possible consumer demands, especially pre-holiday. And then doing a better job of manufacturing to meet those demands. Trickling what few units they have to the market, has only caused a lot of frustration for everyone.
If this was the cell phone segment, they wouldn’t have made that mistake, as they would have lost the sales for certain. JMHO.
While my primary use for my Garmin’s is running, I do like to use them to track heart rate when I’m doing Insanity or other indoor cardio activities. With the 210, I would simply disable the GPS and let the watch record the activity. I followed the same plan with my 620, but have started wondering if by recording this non-running activity I may be “corrupting” some of the values that the watch calculates. The review mentions the watch auto-calibrating some data points for tracking indoor runs, which is one of the key reasons I upgraded.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Should I be concerned with using the 620 to track non-running activities if I want to be able to track my indoor track and treadmill runs accurately?
I’d like to see an official response from Clever Training on what is going on from a CT representative. I love supporting this site but I also love supporting my local shop. Probably due to this sites connection to Clever Training, they have received more than the average number of orders but apparently didn’t receive any additional units as compared to other big retailers. That is understandable. But the lack of adequate communication is not. The 10% coupon they handed out to some didn’t help CT’s pr either, given that it was pretty meaningless and really offering nothing.
Supporting this site is great and the 10% off is a bonus. But to be honest, the 10% discount is pretty easy to get many places such as REI and RRS. And I’m pretty sure your local shop would be happy to do the same if you asked.
Unfortunately, this whole issue has become the main talking point here, and detracting from the main point of this blog, the great in depth say-it-as-it-is reviews that Ray does.
It looks like CT sent out their orders without explicitly sending an email notification that they had shipped. I confirmed that this morning, via email. If you had placed an order while logged in as a customer, you can always track the order status on their site. Unfortunately, if you didn’t create an account prior to ordering, you either have to ask them if your pre-order has already shipped, or just wait for USPS or UPS. It looks like order placed within the first couple of days are either enroute, or have been delivered.
Thanks for another great review Ray!
I’ve been using the 610 and was excited to get my black/blue 620 with HRM from Clever Training last night (ordered on 9/18). I’ve been using the 610 with a footpod (GPS set as primary for pace) for when I run under bridges or on a treadmill. I left the calibration factor at default, and have found that for me it’s very close to accurate (+- 1%), at least as measured by the treadmill I use. I paired my Garmin footpod to my new 620 and went out for a run. I couldn’t find a setting to use the GPS as the primary pace source, but decided not to worry about it. I waited for what seemed like the normal amount of time for satellite connection, although I didn’t time it. I live around tall buildings, so maybe the pre-loading doesn’t help here. I started running and immediately noticed that the pace seemed much more stable than with my 610, although the pace it was displaying seemed a bit fast for my effort. I ran to a local track, did a few laps, then ran home. Upon looking at my activity I really think it was overestimating distance. I would love to run an easy run at a 6:00/mile pace, but I don’t think that’s realistic for me. Also, when I look at how many laps on the track added up to a mile it didn’t seem correct (although the track is longer that 400m – more like 450, so it’s a little hard to tell for sure). Here is a link to my run on Garmin Connect. link to connect.garmin.com
Could the calibration factor be different from the 610 to 620 for the footpod? (note that I didn’t switch the footpod to a new pair of shoes from my last run)
Do you know how I can set the GPS as the primary pace source, and only use the footpod if satellite reception is lost?
Also note that I realized there was a new firmware after my run (I had 2.20 for the run). I’m planning to run tonight without the footpod.
Just to clarify, on your FR610 you left the calibration factor at 1000 (default), and for the FR620 you did the same 1000?
Yes, calibration factors were set to default on both the 610 and 620. I even went back to my 610 after my run to confirm.
Here is a link to the same activity on Strava that I think confirms the 620+footpod was overestimating distance. The track I was running around is set as a segment and shows my pace was closer to 6:30-6:50/mile vs. the activity showing around a 6:00/mile pace.
link to app.strava.com
Got my black/blue 620 this afternoon, haven’t gone for a run yet. It’s definitely light weight, still think they could have shoved more battery for more uptime into this thing even it added 10-15 grams. So far the clear plastic touch screen has been much more responsive to my swiping even w/ wet hands/screen than my 610, but we’ll see how real sweat & skin oil affects it. Wonder if the clear plastic screen (think it’s thinner than 610?) will hold up to occasional bump? The one thing I’m slightly disappointed about is the screen contrast, compared to my 610 and Ambit2, the 620 background is darker and makes the dark numbers more difficult to see even w/ straight line of sight at the screen. Is there anyway to adjust the contrast between font and background? So far I like the font, again we’ll see how I like it while I’m running compared to sitting here staring at it, but the 2 metric display is definitely better than the 2 metric on the 610. Strap is comfortable, but sort of seems like it’ll eventually wear, but only time will tell. Knew there was a new firmware version available, but it took like 5 or 6 time placing the watch in the cradle before it realized there was one, tried to force the express fit software to check but kept coming back no new update, then it randomly appeared on the watch about the 5th time I took it off the cradle.
Hey everyone, I sent an email to Clever Training today (Nov. 15) to ask about the next shipments of the Forerunner 620.
The company was fairly quick to respond and said they anticipated getting their next batch from Garmin on Nov. 21.
They didn’t say what that means for the order backlog. I placed my order on Oct. 1 and am still waiting, but I believe they’re doing the best they can and have stepped up their customer communications.
Hi Ray, first of all, thanks you so much for these so in depth review !
I signed up to the Paris Marathon 2014 and atm, i still don’t know if i’ll buy the 620 or 220 one… even after your tests :/
This 4 metrics/screen seems good but when some ppl prefer switch off 1 metric to keep only 3/screen… i’m questionning myself if the 620 is really the go-to for me…
Is it worth buying HRM-run with the 220 for example ? (so high HR improvement ?)
Help me… can’t decide -.-“
I think that Ray should organize a Paris marathon meetup at the cupcake shop because it’s his fault for writing such an inviting race report :)
Someday…
Hi,
About the screen, it’s plastic or Cristal?
It’s plastic.
I’ll be honest, I’ve never quite understood the fascination with watch face display types. As long as it works properly, I simply don’t care what it is. That goes for the super-high end “Sapphire” displays (and like) that one pays extra for to low end.
In fact, I’ve only ever broke a single watch display (the Nike+ GPS), which was glass. And, in all the years here in review comments, I can’t remember anyone beyond Nike+ and 310XT users (pre-bezel change) commenting about broken displays because it was one screen type over another.
There are pros and cons to each, but in day to day sport usage, most of those are moot. You can have plastic and glass both scratch – and both not scratch, it depends on how it’s implemented. Time will tell here. It’s probably worth noting that most of the photos in this review (and the FR220 review) were taken after a month of the unit travelling around in the bottom of my backpack front pocket, which is a scratch-magnet of random junk. Fwiw.
Thanks!
My thoughts are up on Fatmanrunning.net. It’s an interesting watch and I need more time to decide if I like it enough to supplant my 910XT for running.
Also Ray any word on when the phone app will be updated? On Android at least I don’t have the option to pair it. Kind of a major bummer.
The iPhone app is out (I just haven’t added it yet into the review, but have been using it the last 7 days). I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) to get a date on the Android app.
I picked up my 620 today from Marathon Sports in Boston. Out of the box it feels very cheap compared to my 910. When running it is noticeably lighter. I think I actually like the square display of the 910 better. At this point I’m not sure if it was worth the upgrade. Wifi/bluetooth is very convenient and the running metrics are cool. Not sure how much use they will actually be. I run for general fitness but am not very fast and do not race. Also the recovery advisor seems a bit too much. It told me I needed 72hrs after a moderate pace but short run.
link to connect.garmin.com
Hmm, I guess this helps towards my decision between the 620/220. I like the look of the 620 better, but if I can save that much money, the look isn’t the most important thing.
Can anyone About 8 or 9 years ago I first bought the monster that was the garmin 305 which was fine if somewhat bulky. At the time I didn’t know the first thing about either heart rate monitors or gps watches. After some years it began to play up and I remember just before one race was due to start it completely conked out.
My next watch was the old Polar RS800 with a footpod. For quite a while I used to wear it IN ADDITION TO the garmin 305 and sometimes I would have to calibrate the pod post run.
I liked the RS800 a lot but the major issue with it was that as I alternate between 2 different sets of running shoes I would have to keep recalibrating the pod each time I swapped shoe. Also, towards the end the heart rate strap disagreed with my chest and I had to stop wearing it as it irritated the skin so much that it was too painful to wear.
My most recent purchase, about 2 years ago was the garmin forerunner 610. This was seemingly the answer to all the issues of footpods and wearing 2 watches. However, I have had 2 problems with it:
(1) Before long the stitching of the 2 patches on the heart rate strap came away and the heart rate monitor became useless. Even an easy paced run had my heart rate at 210+ bpm.(I tried using the garmin heart rate unit with the polar strap but it wasn’t at all reliable either).
(2) GPS stability. This has been quite variable. There is a training run along a canal which is very flat with no walls nearby that I sometimes use for intervals (or just normal runs) and at certain sections. according to the watch, my pace drops by up to half a minute or more per mile even though I know I haven’t slowed down.
This is my major bugbear here.
With the internal accelerometer, does the gps pace reading get smoothed out on the 620 to prevent this or is it equally jumpy for no obvious reasons? I mean, is it similar to the Suunto ambit which has a smoothing function to prevent this.
I like the idea of the Suunto ambit but not the fact that the pace goes up or down in + or – 5sec/mile increments.
Really not sure which watch to go with next but the pace stability and heart rate monitors are deal breakers for me.
Hi Greg-
1) HR Strap: See my section above on the HRM-Run strap and the improvements there for drops/spikes compared to previous straps
2) GPS Stability: See the video I included in the review showing the pace stability while running.
The internal accelerometer is not used for pace smoothing (like Fusedspeed or the sort on the Ambit), rather, the signal is smoothed. This is actually good, because the challenge with using the accelerometer to smooth speed is that if you do anything with your hand (i.e. drink water), it hoses up the speed.
Thanks!
Ordered my 620 from CT on 22/Sept. Not received the watch yet and receive an email yesterday that I will not receive the watch at least until next batch on 21Nov. Somebody here said he’ve received already who order on 24/Sept. What’s a company!
There are four different variants of the FR620, and retailers get varying amounts of each variant with each shipment. Retailers aren’t told how many of each variant they are getting until they receive a “pack list” from Garmin upon shipment from the Olathe distribution center.
Is it possible to disable all sensors (ex. accelerometer) except a connected heart rate monitor? I’ve found where to turn off GPS, but can’t find a setting for the rest. This would allow me to use the 620 for tracking non-running workout similar to what I did with the 210.
As far as I can see the only thing other than a HRM you can pair is an external footpod.
So if GPS is off and you aren’t paired to a foot pod aren’t you good to go?
Is there a maximum value for the vo2max rating on the 620? On my first run it rated me 59. On my second run it rated me 60, and based on the graphic on Garmin Connect it looks like that may top out the scale. Has anyone tested higher than 60 with the 620?
I partially answered my own question… I just finished a run and recieved a new vo2max rating of 61. I’m still curious if the watch has a max value though.
Yeah I’ve gone a tad higher.
AFAIK the maximum ever recorded V02 Max (see link to en.wikipedia.org ) is in 2 figures so suspect it would go up to 99!
When I was somewhat younger I had mine lab tested at 70.5. Not expecting to see that again however :)
Has the 620 displayed a higher number for you? I know that vo2max results from tests can go much higher (Ray mentioned that his was tested at 63.6 vs results from the 620 showing 57-58, and I know some athletes have had much higher results). The graphical chart on Garmin Connect looked like it maxed out at 60, but appeared to adjust to 61. I’m still curious what the firstbeat algorithm as implemented in the 620 would allow for a max value.
Dave
It hovers in the low to middle 60s for me.
In firstbeat’s Athlete software they have got a chart right up to 98 VO2 Max so their algorithm must allow for these superhuman numbers.
I suspect Garmin just capped the upper end of their graphical chart on Garmin Connect at 60.
Fwiw, I’m up to 60 now, but that’s the max the watch has given me (and GC matches that). Perhaps I’ll eek over to 61 some day…
Any idea why the 620 wouldn’t be able to find a known WIfi when its set up for my home wifi and I am 15 feet from the router??? It will upload via the bluetooth app onto phone but no wifi???
You used the wireless setup through the Garmin software with it plugged in via USB, right? Just making sure :)
I did Paul, actually followed the directions for a change :)
I was able to just pick up one of these at my local running store in Austin (Texas Running Company), but they only had one. You might want to see if you can find one locally if you are still trying to find one.
Initial impression: WiFi is great, good UI, screen is very dim, feels kind of cheap. I haven’t tried it running just yet.
Found one, Just struggling with WiFi setup.
Well how about THIS for a crazy story…
I ordered the Blue/Black with HRM in stock from REI.com last Wednesday night with free standard shipping. Despite warnings I might not get it here in Chicago until a week later they actually shipped within 24 hours and upgraded me to 2 day priority mail for free. I actually received the package today, Saturday.
SOOOOOO…. I rip open the plastic shipping bag like a kid at Christmas and inside is a OTTERBOX IPHONE 4 CASE with a receipt for my $450 Garmin 620! Wow, jaw on floor moment.
I was terrified of the call to REI that they would think I’m some kind of fraud but the agent was great apologizing over and over. They actually still have stock (which I think proves that Garmin did provide REI more than other retailers as I’ve noticed in the past) and are overnighting me the 620 arriving no later than Tuesday and told me to keep or gift the iPhone case. Pretty nice fix to an ugly situation.
Crazy. Now to wait a few more days….
FYI, ordered blue one from REI 10/26, arrived today.
Sorry forgot to add with HRM.
Aside from running workouts, can I use the 620 to monitor heartrate for Tabata-type (20 seconds full-out + 10 seconds rest x 8) indoors with weights? I want to monitor my heartrate response to hard interval training.
You could create a workout like that with HR targets, or, since your HR might not rise fast enough within that 20s period, then just segmented chunks for work vs rest.
Can some one send me a sample run output file from the 620 watch. I’m assuming it still uses Training Center or not? I want to see if its still compatible with some custom software I have. Thanks in advance.
lp
I’ve included sample files in the review. Search within this page for the term “developers in the house” and you’ll find a zip file full of them.
I picked up the 620 a couple days ago and am happy so far. I emailed with support and found out the app only supports iphone 4s and up. They said they are trying to have android support in January.
As always, phenomenal work dc.
I picked up the 620 a couple days ago and am happy so far. I emailed with support and found out the app only supports iphone 4s and up. They said they are trying to have android support in January.
The iPhone 4S and up are the only iPhone’s that have LOW POWER Bluetooth 4.0 which really is great as it allows a constant connection that uses only a tiny fraction of power, even compared with the old Bluetooth. The Garmin 620 only has the newer lower power bluetooth so it needs one of these newer watches.
Just picked up my 620 from Garmin at the Philly Marathon Expo this weekend and I would add one big thing about the Live Tracking. If you want to use the Live Tracking during a run you HAVE to take your phone with you on the run or it does not work. As soon as your watch disconnects from your iPhone it no longer is able to send data to the live tracking. Big drawback IMO
I thought that Ray made that clear. The watch does not have internal cellular communication (you would add cost (both to the hardware and needing a data plan) and would burn the battery rapidly. The watch instead sends your location to your cellphone (which needs to be on your person) and the cellphone then uploads your location to the web for live tracking. The Garmin site doesn’t make this very clear but I thought Ray did.
I either ran 7.51 miles or 7.99 miles, depending on whether you believe my trusty Garmin Forerunner 610, or the new Garmin Forerunner 620! Why such a large difference? That’s what I’m trying to figure out, as I sift through the data. In a curious note, that same 7.99 miles that reports from Garmin, comes back as 7.6 miles when loaded into SportTracks.
I was using a Garmin foot pod and while the 610 reported very consistent cadence information, the 620 had a very curious spike in the data.
One mile of the run was done on the track, and the path drawn by the 610 data is very consistent, while the 620 track exhibits quite a bit of jiggle. Both devices are set at 1 second recording.
It will take a lot more looking and data gathering before judgement can be passed, but this first run was quite disappointing.
Sounds like the same issue I had when using the 620 with a footpod. I’ve used it for 2 runs without the footpod and it works great. I think there may be an issue with accuracy when using the footpod. I haven’t tried it again after upgrading the firmware to 2.30. What firmware version is yours?
The firmware is v2.30. When the GPS is working, the footpod should not cause any change in the GPS measured distance. I’ll be running again on Tuesday and doing it without the footpod.
There have been many reports were the footpod messes up distance/pace. Sounds like they were so confident there would be no reason for a footpod, with the accelerometers in watch and strap, that they didn’t do proper testing of the footpod.
Ran with Garmin 620 w/ Footpod & my Ambit2 w/ footpod turned off today. Turned off my 620 GPS, turned on footpod, ran 800m on track at end of the 2 laps, the watch reported 850 meters. (Didn’t have calculator handy & had more running to do, but when I got home the calibration factor was 800m/850m = 0.9411176 or about 5.8% long.) Now I continued on my last leg of the run w/ new exercise on both watches, but did not change the 620 calibration factor from 1.000 and forgot to turn off the footpod. I was also wearing Ambit2 w/ only GPS & not logging footpod data. So the final leg of my run was reported on Garmin 620 with 2.98 miles in 24:49, the Ambit2 was reporting distance of 2.83 miles in 24:49. Doing the math 2.98 miles /2.83 miles= 1.053…roughly about the 5.8% long. So I’m pretty confident that if I would have changed the calibration factor on the 620, the distance and pace would have been close to the Ambit2. Unfortunately, can’t confirm this because we have massive storms in Chicagoland and I had to get back inside.
I was curious to see what difference, if any, between the readings of two different GPS units. I ran with my sister and we have the FR305 and FR610 and I was surprised that the distance was exactly the same.
I am looking for a new GPS watch, because my Garmin 310Xt is broken.
Which watch I should prefer: Suunto Ambit2 or Garmin 620?
Just got an email from RRS that my ship date is 11/25.
I’ve gotten over my frustration and will now just wait. Was going to try locally or REI, but I will save almost $75 between the 10% and tax. Better in my pocket.
Unfortunately I can not find the VO2MAX-graphic on garmin connect, which you show in your report (“Your VO2 Max”…current,trend etc.). Where is the graphic? Thank you
As seen in the review pictures, it’s on your dashboard once signed into Garmin Connect.
ahh ok..I have found it now. Thank you :-)
Apparently its not possible as with the 610 to get back to start via gps .. :-((
Hi Jorge-
You may want to read the ‘Navigation Functionality’ section where I talk about the changes there, as well as the comparison chart section towards the bottom which outlines all the exact differences.
“Live Tracking” is not possible with an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S4 with Android 4.3)??!!
I cannot pair with bluetooth…. Does it only works with an iphone?. :-((
Jorge, I suggest you read back through the comments. Everything you are asking is answered.
Hi,
Greetings from Poland.
Thanks for your review. very helpful. Just one double check – can I enable live tracking mode on G620 without running with my iPhone and pairing it via bluetooth? I hate running with phone (especially when I do speed training) .
For example,what I need to do if I want my wife to know my exact position when I m out there running. Is that possible for her to log into my garmin connect profile and check my position? Thanks for your answer.
Peter
PS. I run with G610 and I am pretty happy with that, however I would not mind an upgrade. Live tracking is the feature I look forward to.
No, you need to bring your phone with you to get live-tracking enabled.
You could start a Live Track, start timer and then put your phone away before you start you run proper. At least your wife would know where you started! If you are doing speed training at a running track you are never going to be far away anyway…
Got my 620 w/HRM from REI on Friday. Went for a run with it yesterday w/Footpod. Didn’t have the footpod calibration factor entered, and it seemed to run about 6-7% long (Footpod calibration on 610 was ~94) which would indicate to me that it was using the Footpod the whole time. I was in an area where GPS recepetion is pretty good so it should have used the GPS data. It seems to be a problem with Garmin Connect software because I uploaded the GPX/TCX Files to a few other websites and the distances were correct (I checked against GMAPS Pedometer). I’m going to try again without the footpod and see if that corrects the issue.
GMAPS Pedometer – 6.1821 miles
Garmin Activity – 6.66 miles
Endomondo – 6.22 miles
RunKeeper – 6.21 miles
Strava – 6.2 miles
Also another issue that I’ve had is unlocking the watch from time mode. Don’t know if anybody else has had a problem doing that. I press any of the buttons and the watch does nothing (no unlock symbol on the main screen or anything). I am forced to shutdown the watch and then restart, then I can put it into run mode.
Also a few times the time mode screen has gone scrambled (see it –
Here
and
Here.
Anybody else had similar problems? I am running 620 Firmware version 2.30.
Interesting, I would agree. The footpod is definitely doing something funky in the latest FW version (2.30) – clearly overwriting the GPS speed even though it shouldn’t. I’ll try and get some answers this week. In the meantime, I’d recommend not enabling it for outdoor use until a fix is out…sigh.
Some more info on the footpod overwriting.
I ran 10.0 miles today with no footpod. Garmin Connect matched GMAPS-Pedometer, Endomondo, and Strava, all within 0.1 miles.
Also as a test I downloaded the original GPX file (the 6.66 miles with footpod) from Garmin Connect and re-uploaded it manually. It shows the correct distance of 6.22 miles when I did it that way. Hope that helps their troubleshooting efforts.
Wow, I’m not GPS hardware/software expert, but I have been in the IT business many many years. And I just can’t quite understand how & why Garmin seems to fumble so much in an areas that they are supposed to be the best or the experts.
One would think a QA team would have caught most all the basic software glitches. Instead the 1st users end up being the beta test team. The rest of the troops wait & hopes Garmin fully addresses all of the found issues.
At $450, and umpteen generation for the Garmin GPS watch line, one would think they would nail it; consumer focus group, concept, design, testing, implementation, & roll-out.
Hi DC, Zach,
I also just received my 620 w HRM and just finished a 10k race w the footpod on. The watch gave me a reading of 10.84k which I think is way too big a margin of error, even if I didn’t take every corner as efficiently as possible (as per a previous article posted here). I too will test without the footpod, but this is quite disappointing as I would’ve thought that the GPS would override the footpod, and would calibrate it as per one of the question /answers above.
Is there anything I can do other than test wo the footpod? Am I supposed to calibrate the footpod? Should I just override the activity entry on Garmin Connect?
Thanks for the amazing articles and amazing forum of like like-minded people!
Hello Zach and hello other,
normaly the Footpod has to be calibratet so it can show the right distance. Here is a link to the HowToDo Page. Ok the Page does not mention the 620, but maybe because it is to new.
link to fellrnr.com
Lutfi,
I’ve just been running without the footpod when I’m outside. Even with it calibrated, it seems like it would still overwrite the GPS data on upload. Of note, if you download the incorrect GPX file and re-upload that file to Garmin Connect it seems to not use the footpod data. I then deleted the incorrect activity and kept the re-uploaded one, allowing for correct PRs. I live in a pretty open area and don’t have too many issues without footpod, however I do like it on the treadmill.
Hi,
Now I am using the wahoo fitness app on my iphone to send the file on garmin connect, strava and other, it is very easy and quick. It is possible to send the 620 data to the app? I think it is not possible with ant wahoo dongle, maybe via wifi?
Thanks
Max
No, you cannot. The FR620 doesn’t support ANT+ uploads (which, is how the Wahoo app uploads it with the dongle). It (the 620), doesn’t support other apps accessing it via Bluetooth or WiFi.
So, only the Garmin Connect Mobile iPhone app can upload from it. From there, it only uploads to Garmin Connect.
There are however sites that will then automagically sync that data to other places, such as CopyMySports.com
Yes, I have run with the footpod connected and the 620 seems to overestimate distance and pace in that case.
Pretty bad bug.
I will run without the footpod until they fix this. No track training for me until then.
I’ve noticed that some of the reviewers are taking the 620 out running with a footpod. Isn’t that what the accelerometer INSIDE the watch is for?
On a different note and as one reviewer said (and as I have repeatedly), I think it is really irresponsible of these companies to release such an expensive, “high-end” product when it is, effectively, still in development. I would like my $450 HRM to work right out of the box, not wait weeks or months for a firmware fix.
Most are because they may have the footpod on already on their shoes for indoor use, and use the same shoes.
The remaining may want it there for more accurate pace information in tunnels (while the watch does it internally, I’ve seen some variance there in pacing).
Hi Ray!
I finally got my 620 from Clever Training and did my first run today.
Is there an easy way to upload to Strava and Training Peak?
Strava used to recognize the 610 b/c Strava was accessing the ANT+ Communicator Plugin, which now only uploads my Garmin Swim. I had to manually get the .FIT file from Garmin Connect and upload that file to Strava.
TP was easier as I just chose Edge 810 and that gave me access to the Activities folder.
BUT, all of this had to be done while connected to USB…
Thanks,
Don
Connect the watch to your computer with the USB cable. In strava, on the upload page, select the “From File” tab, then press the “choose file” button. Then you need to find the file. It is probably in the garmin\activities folder of the device. As Ray says, the file names aren’t easily interpreted but it should be the newest .fit file.
Yup, as Ekutter says. For Strava you can also use CopyMySports.com and https://Tapiriik.com. Neither does TrainingPeaks today unfortunately.
I might misunderstand the question but in strava I only connect my 620 with the usb cable an select upload activity. Just as any other Garmin unit
Hi guys – thanks for the comments.
I did exactly as ekutter said and it worked.
As for Geir O’s comment, when I have the 620 attached via USB and click UPLOAD in Strava, Strava wants to use the Garmin Communicator Plugin which only talks to Garmin Swim, as the 620 uses Garmin Express Fit.
Thanks for the 2 website suggestions for easier uploading.
I guess my point – the 620 has ANT+, BT4, WiFi and USB connectivity, yet the only way to get files from the 620 to any site other than Garmin Connect requires USB. This is a pain in the butt since my 610 and even my 310XT were easier to use b/c they connected to the Garmin ANT Agent wirelessly and then Strava and TP easily read those files from the Garmin Communicator Plugin WITHOUT physically connecting those watches.
I’m just disappointed that the 620 doesn’t leverage all it’s connectivity to make the upload to third party apps easier. If I’m doing something wrong, please enlighten me.
Thanks,
Don
This does seem like a sizable step backwards for Garmin. To be fair, using either Bt with your phone or WIFI, the file never touches your computer. In the case of the Ant Agent, the file first would get copied onto your computer, then uploaded to where ever
That said, it would be trivial for Garmin to make the .FIT file available at GC. This seems like purely a marketing issue for them where they are trying to reduce the experience of using other software. As Ray mentions, Garmin is definite heading in the wrong direction with numerous proprietary aspects of the 620, from the private Ant messages for the new running metrics, to this private connection format.
Another option which I tried today as did not have my USB cable with me was to upload to Garmin Connect via the iPhone app and then export as a TCX file from Garmin Connect which I then imported into Strava using the “From File” option.
AFAIK the TCX is the “readable” XML version of the FIT file and there did not appear to any obvious data loss – e.g. Strava still noted I had used a 620. Of course they aren’t yet taking the new Running Dynamics data anyway although cadence works.
I looked at Copy My Sports but was a little put off by the fact they seemed to have had a whole bunch of issues recently.
sorry I misunderstood your need to upload without using usb cable. For me it is not a big deal since I like to top up the battery after each run anyway
Tim, the TCX is not just a readable version of the .fit file. Much of the data is there but not everything. For most things, you probably wouldn’t notice the difference, but the .FIT file has extra data and events like exactly when auto-pause kicks in. I’m not positive, but I’d be willing to bet none of the new run metrics are included in the .TCX file.
For those of us waiting on Forerunner 620s from Clever Training, I received another email from them Sunday which said based on the date of my order (Oct. 1) it’s possible that my 620 will be shipped Nov. 21 when they expect their next batch from Garmin. I appreciated that unsolicited update from CT. And, as I have ordered products from them three times before and have been very satisfied with their customer service, I am confident they’re doing their best under demanding circumstances. They also support this website, which is very valuable for everyone interested in outdoor sports technologies.
One the WIFI uploads, it doesn’t work anymore for couple of days. Returning home after a run, upon pressing connect, watch reports “upload already in progress”, but there is nothing found in GC.
That being said, when trying (within WIFI range) to upload runs recorded outside WIFI domain, the watch reports “No WIFI networks found”. Went back to cable… Any ideas? Thanks.
I have had some success restoring WiFi capability by powering the 620 off and on again.
Ditto a router reset.
Used to get similar issues with the MotoACTV although that only tends to come out for a round of golf these days!
Here’s another interesting bit from my first 620 run – Even though I ran over 7 miles, I did not get a VO2 Max calculation. I was wearing the paired Run HRM. I’m wondering if the footpod messed with that bit of code, or maybe there was something that I missed in forcing the 620 to give me a calculation.
Sounds possible. Suggest disconnecting the foot pod next time out as there seems to be issues with it right now on software version 2.30.
Running without the footpod enabled did solve the GPS distance issue, but the internal unit did throw a major spike that is not seen on the 610 with the footpod. That’s the problem with internal integration. Do anything out of the ordinary with you your hand, like answer a phone, take a picture, shoot a video, record a podcast episode, or send a message and it throws things out of whack!
Not sure I understand Derek re “major spike”? In what pace?
Since I’m (like others) on the fence with 220 v. 620, especially since I’m just not sure I need all the whistles & bells (touch screen maybe). It really has me wondering if the 220 with less features, will simply be a whole lot less problematic v. 620.
Thanks for the review!! Lots of people trying to decide 220 vs 620. Not an easy decission, maybe 620 is getting a bit too complicated if you are not really a pro…
Anyway, I’m really wishing to have both on my hands to test them!
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Hi Ray,
I just purchased a 620 with heart rate monitor at the Las Vegas Rock N Roll Half Marathon. I read the directions and put on the heart rate monitor. The directions said it would automatically connect and that I would not have to do anything extra. Right before my race I noticed that the heart icon was blinking and the GPS icon was solid. I had a feeling that the HRM was not connecting and did not realize it until today when I connected it to GARMIN and had all of my race stats except HRM. When I go through the menus on the watch and go to HRM, it says “searching” and does not find it. I updated my 620 to version 2.30.
Any ideas?
Thanks!
Jim mine did the same I had to unpair and repair it.
No, they generally aren’t paired at the factory (they used to do that in the FR305 days…).
Paul, thank you that worked. I am surprised that I would have to pair it…thought it was ready to go out of the box. Thanks again Paul.
Re #686
Yeah looks like you are correct about Ground contact time and vertical oscillation in the TCX not being there although of course Strava won’t show them anyway.
Cadence is there though and I don’t use auto pause on the device so not sure about that. Strava tries to compute that.
As such I think the TCX has everything useful for me for a Strava upload.
Agree would prefer to take the FIT file being the native file (less chance of any small rounding error too) but was impatient yesterday.
Question on VO2max: during/after first run it has been estimated, and is shown in GC as single point in GC VO2max trend graph. However, there are no point in trend graph for subsequent runs. I can’t find in manual option to disable/enable, looks it has somehow been disabled. Of course I am wearing HRM strap… Any clues? Thanks.
Do you mean that multiple points aren’t showing up, or?
Ray, thanks for looking into it. My understanding is that during each run (where HRM strap is worn), there is VO2max prediction done. These metrics are uploaded to GC, meaning there is for each run a VO2max point available, and it is shown in trend graph (Y-axis: VO2max, X-axis: data). I only have one point in the graph and this has been labeled data-of-first-run-with-620.
Second understanding is that watch does VO2max prediction, and it can be shown on watch display, after saving the activity. However, in my case it shows same number as data-of-first-run-with-620. This might be true, that VO2max is that stable (in reality it is…), but I am afraid there is no VO2max prediction done for each run.
Look my understanding is not in line with watch behavior of the watch. Where am I going wrong? Thanks.
So this is what I see on my chart online: link to dcrainmaker.com
(Note: The Girl and I have been sharing the FR620 lately, hence the up and downs you see as she runs some runs with it).
Thanks Ray, looks my understanding is correct. Now I need to figure out what is going wrong, why the feature is not working anymore.
Hi All-
Just a heads up that I’ve added the iPhone App (review) section into the review here (FR620 review), with my experiences (good and bad as usual) and an explanation of how things work. I’ve also added in the timelines specified for the Android side of things (Q1 2014).
It’s in the section called “Live Tracking & Mobile Phone Upload Functionality”
Enjoy!
Re your Twitter issue – on the iPhone, Settings, Twitter – is Connect “allowed” to use your account?
Mine is allowed and I have got these tweets to appear. Who is interested in my runs is another matter :)
Yup, it shows as allowed. I’ve disabled it, restarted, re-installed, enabled, and every variation of that them backwards, forwards and on three different continents….just in case. ;)
Ah that’s odd then.
Maybe one more thing to try.
Login to your Twitter account from a desktop
Go into settings and, from the Apps section, revoke Connect access
Hopefully this would be reflected on the iPhone sometime after
Try to enable Twitter again on the app.
Funny you mention revoking access from the Twitter site. Today around lunch I was thinking that’s something to try. Sure enough, that fixed it. Woot!
I guess Garmin has decided that wall chargers are a thing of the past!?! Does anybody know the AC adapter power specs to charge this product?
Thanks,
Any standard USB charger will do. I have used my Apple and/or Android phone ones
After having a few days to log a few runs and play around with the watch a little bit I have to say this review is phenomenal. Everything that is changed and upgraded from previous models is covered. Bravo DCR, fantastic review.
Oh man… decisions, decisions! I do not think that I need all the 620 features right now, but I would hate to get the 220 and regret not getting the 620 instead! I’m just starting out running again (used to run a lot, but for exercise; never been in a race…yet) and I’m sure the 220 is just fine, but if I do get more serious, especially around springtime, will I regret not having the 620? It seems a better long term investment to me, as I do not plan on buying a new watch every couple of years. Right now, I do not own a GPS watch (used to have the 405cx a coupe years ago), so I do want one. I just cannot decide! Obviously saving money is important, but along with the features of the 620, I like the look better too over the 220.
Please, DC readers, help guide me! Will I regret not getting the 620 eventually? Is it a better long term investment over the 220, especially considering I would like to get more serious in the spring – possibly running my first 5k or more? Or in all honesty, will the 220 do me just fine? Gracias in advance.
This is the exact same problem/thinking I’m having. I’m also on the fence. I want the 220 to be an exciting enough upgrade because I’ll be able to afford it sooner and justify spending the money. But I don’t want to regret not spending that bit more if the 620’s features will help me. I like the look of the 620 better and maybe the touch screen is cool. But maybe it’s more problematic, too? I just don’t know. But I suspect I might go with the 220 in the end.
I also want to be training for events, etc. Just ran my first 10k and want to work up to a half soon. I’m sure the 220 is fine and I’ll love it, once I get the 620 out of my head…
Bought the 220. I’m a competitive runner sub 15 5000M, sub 2:25 marathon. I had the 610 and the touch screen was more pain than it was worth.
Brass Monkey; so you’ve used the 220 & are happy with it. Or did you choose it because you simply didn’t want the 620 touch screen features?
I’ve had the 305, motoactv, 610, and now 620. The 620 touchscreen is MUCH improved over the 610. Very responsive. With that said, you don’t use the touchscreen during actual workouts except to change the screen you’re on. Unlike the motoactv, where you had to do almost everything from the touchscreen (mark laps, etc). If you’re a data junkie then 620. If not, then 220. I inherently like numbers, so I got the 620.
Agree the touch screen on the 620 is a lot better than previous devices. I like you can just tap a data screen once to move onto another one and this works consistently well.
As for 220/620 choice either would work well for runners of all standards.
My take is go for the 620 if you like your stats (as I do) and aren’t so worried about budget.
Another factor is that the HRM-Run is (so far) the best HR strap ever had for lack of spikes – and I have been using HRMs for 20 years now.
Just as an update for those seeing app upload issues (from iPhone app to Garmin Connect). I’m reasonably certain something was fixed there on the backend. My runs today uploaded without issue pretty much immediately, compared to this weekend where things were timing out.
Good news, Ray. Thanks for passing it on.
I wonder, can an activity be uploaded through the iphone app *after* it has already been completed? Like say, a day or two later?
Yup, indeed. In, I accidentally simulated that tonight as well. I did my main run, then stopped and re-created a new run for a post-run cooldown. Once you initiate a new activity it basically stops trying to transfer the old one. Thus, the first activity didn’t complete transferring to the phone (expected).
Then, about 10 minutes later I went ahead and finished my cool-down and saved that activity. At that point it went and grabbed all untransferred activities and transferred and uploaded those.
Boy, for the life of me I just can’t get an activity to transfer successfully from the 620 to Garmin Connect Mobile. It will intermittently register an activity and label it as “Waiting,” with the little double-arrow transfer logo next to it, but will never move off of that.
It’s getting a bit frustrating!
I saw a comment on the Forums for Garmin to try and remove the FR620 from the mobile app and re-add it, which then apparently cleared things up for folks.
Great tip on mentioning the Garmin Forums. I didn’t even know they existed. The below steps have worked for me, so far:
I found this tip in the 220 Forum:
Originally Posted by SEEJANEBE (Thanks SEEJANEBE!)
“I am having the same connect issue. Pairs no problem, but does not transfer. Downward swipe doesn’t work.
Ok, here is what I had to do to get it working again. I’ve tested it a few times and successfully downloaded three activities.
Open the Garmin Connect App and go to my device.
Click on the “i” icon in the top right hand corner and choose “Remove a Device”
Remove the Forerunner 220.
Closed the Garmin Connect App and made sure it wasn’t running in the background.
Turn off the forerunner using the power/backlight button.
Turn on the forerunner.
Open the Garmin Connect App and Add a new Device/pair the forerunner.
That seemed to clear out whatever was “stuck” and information is flowing via bluetooth once more!
I also have successfully tested both on LTE and connected to a wireless network (although it shouldn’t matter).
I was on IOS 6 when the problem appeared and upgraded to the latest release of 7 today to see if it would help the problem. It did not.”
Thanks for the great review. Quick question. Do you turn the watch off when you’re not using it, or do you keep it on?
I just let it go into standby. It lasts many weeks in that mode (shows time of day, etc…).
Ray, or those of you with 220s and 620s, do you see a need for the screen protector that some folks used on the 610? If so, would the 610 protector (sold on Amazon) fit the 220 and 620? Thanks for your help with this.
I have a 220, and I was thinking about the need for a screen protector. In fact I’m going to look into this one you mention. I could really see the need. This is the first Garmin I’ve had where I feel like it’s light enough and small enough to wear all the time. As such, I’m fairly worried about this pretty large area of glass that seems fairly vulnerable. I certainly notice smudges, and I don’t want to have to worry about scratches. In fact, I did notice a micro scratch about the size of a period the other day, and I’m fairly sure it wasn’t there when I first got it. For the OCD part of me, I’m feeling like a screen protector would put me at ease.
I’m interested to hear what others think. Also, if anyone can indeed confirm if the 610 sold would work, that’d be highly appreciated!
I put one of my 610 screen protectors on my 620. It works just fine.
Which screen protector do you have? Does it go edge-to-edge?
Thanks!
My screen protectors are just generic, whatever is cheapest on eBay models. No, they do not cover the complete face of the 610 or 620. It’s just too much of a pain to completely center ones that do that. There is a slightly exposed edge, which works just fine.
On my 610 I’ve used a generic screen protector from Zagg link to zagg.com . The watch has a diameter of 40 mm “face”. So the 39 mm screen protector leaves a small edge. A 40 mm one would probably slop over the edge. The protector does not influence the touch sreen and has lasted for a year without replacement.
Alright, first run with a 620 & running dynamics HRM and already a question…
A five miler in the books and the HRM performed flawlessly in challenging 32 degree temps with no dropouts. The watch was great (didn’t pair the footpod since the 2.30 firmware has a bug). The problem was the data at the end… while the watch recorded flawless heart rate data and recorded cadence there was NO vertical bounce or ground contact time recorded. I called Garmin and they had no explanation but had me try a quick 2nd run in place for 10 seconds and bang, all the new running dynamics were there. The agent guessed the first run was required to “learn” your movements before the data started recording but I don’t recall Ray or Garmin for that matter saying that. Hopefully it works now moving forward, but did anyone NOT get full running dynamics data on their first run?
Thanks…
No, that’s wonky. I’ve never had that be a problem (with any of the units I have, nor any of the straps). I definitely don’t have a solution there either (though, it sounds like it’s solved now), but would certainly be curious if someone else sees the same. Weird.
I got the running dynamics fine on my first run.
I got running dynamics on my first run, but no VO2 Max until my second run. It seems that some things take a time or two to kick in.
The button to upload PR’s to the device didn’t appear until after the first run and all of the data had been uploaded. Looks like you have to have at least one record in place on the device before you can update it with different records.
I see you can “enable” / “disable” the Running Dynamics data page so maybe that was a factor?
Re VO2Max in #737 presume you ran for more than 10 mins?
My first run was 4 miles and did get VO2max but no running dynamics. I went into the settings and switched running dynamics from off to on and my second run received everything.
@David, I just posted a comment on Running Dynamics data issue. On my first run the watch stopped tracking Running Dynamics data after 23 minutes, but the watch continued to track HR data for the rest of the run. I’m hoping this is a one time fluke. I am on firmware 2.3.0 as well.
This pre-order thing has been a nightmare. It seems the White/Orange 620’s are coming online. OK, I preordered one from RRS and one from REI. RRS it appears is useless. Also, contacted local running stores and they said they would get one in this week. REI said they would ship on 11/25. So…
REI shipped yesterday and I just get an email from local running store that they got the watch at the store. I can get 10% off at running store. So, keep the REI watch at full price? Or support the local running community and get it from the running store at 10% off and return the watch to REI after delivery.
Decisions, decisions….
RRS is probably one of the worst websites I’ve ever shopped from. I ordered the 220 about a month ago and got sick of all the pushing back and cancelled my order. On Sunday the site said they were in stock so I put in my order and then I get an email a few minutes later that my order would ship on the 22nd. Now the website shows they will be back in stock on the 25th.
How do they not have prices on their online invoices? This has got to be the shadiest online store ever. If they didn’t have all the coupons and deals with cash back websites, I would definitely be ordering from clevertraining.
RRS just told me that my 620 would ship Friday. Inquired about switching to the HRM model but they indicated I would lose my place in line and the HRM model isn’t shipping until 12/6.
Rob- I’d take what RRS told you with a massive 5000 pound grain of salt. Every time I asked about my order, they told me whatever the following friday or monday was. I cancelled and went with REI, got it next day.
Agreed Matt. I’ll believe it when it’s in my hand. I called REI and they are claiming that they are out of stock. Would also rather save the 10% at RRS. Glad i’m not in a hurry for it ;)
They are out of stock online. My shipment was for a preorder from REI placed on 9/23. Watch is supposed to arrive from PA/WV on Friday, shipped yesterday PM. I can’t imagine it taking that long, but I did not pay for faster shipping. It’s killing me not to just drive down to the local running store and pick up the watch from them, however. Tomorrow will be the last time I’ll be able to run for until after Thanksgiving break. With prior experience with Garmins I’ll pay the extra $49 to be able to drive 10-15 minutes to REI and exchange for a brand new watch if anything happens. Especially at the price we are paying.
Regarding whether to support REI or the local running store: REI does not feel like a big box store. It’s a cooperative, which makes me what to give them my business more than the likes of Walmart, etc. The clincher for me is that, as a member, they give me a dividend based on my purchases; for the Garmin 620 it says “REI Members get back an estimated $ 40.00 on this item as part of their annual member refund.”
link to rei.com
Also, REI has a super return policy.
link to rei.com
As a brief aside, you can still support the site via REI through any of the links below. You won’t save 10% immediately like at Clever, but you’ll get it back later with your REI rebate:
REI Garmin FR620 w/o HRM-Run: link to bit.ly
REI Garmin FR620 w/HRM-Run: link to bit.ly
And, for the Garmin 220:
REI Garmin FR220 w/o HR Strap: link to bit.ly
REI Garmin FR220 w/HR Strap: link to bit.ly
Appreciate it!
I have the 620 with HRM now for almost 2 weeks (10 runs). Findings so far:
– GPS accuracy issues I encountered at the second run (see earlier post) have largely dissappeared but for a strange stretch near my house which has high buildings and is situated above a tunnel. Not something that is really bothering me at this moment.
– speed of finding GPS is ok but not much better than my nikeplus watch.
– live tracking works great. My father was impressed that he could follow me remotely.
– after one long run (28km) with live tracking, the watch could no longer connect to wifi, usb or bluetooth. Had to turn it off and on for it to work properly again (luckily no data loss).
– HR and running dynamics recorded fine, just need to figure out how to use the latter in my training.
– like Ray noted in his review, I changed the backlighting such that it stays on until switched off. Great for running in the dark, less great if you leave the watch in you gymbag overnight and accidently turn backlight on. Battery was empty before I could start the next run.
– showing 4 data fields in one screen needed some getting used to, but would not want it otherwise now.
– sound and vibration notifications are much better than with my previous watch.
– wifi upload (when working, see above) is really great and in absence of wifi, the upload to my iphone works great as well.
– starting my training program for the Paris marathon in a couple of weeks and look forward to downloading a training program to my watch.
All in all, very happy with the watch!
I got my watch last week and I’d consider it a ‘marginal’ improvement over the 610. It is worth the upgrade to go from 610 – meh
(1) the touch capability to change screens is better but it’s not like an iPhone. It’s still somewhat clunky.
(2) the screen shows fingerprints and dirt pretty easily–reminds me a bit of the early iPhones.
(3) the new HR strap is nice. I like the running dynamics metrics
(4) the battery life is much better than the 610.
(5) I don’t understand WHY the watch is not bluetooth capable?
Can you elaborate on #5? The FR620 is Bluetooth Smart enabled, and uses Bluetooth Smart to upload workouts to your phone, stream live data to your phone, and get firmware updates from your phone.
I mean that the watch cannot sync with a bluetooth footpod or HR strap as examples. I realize that the HR strap does that already. But it seems that Garmin is intentionally limiting some technology capability for a competitive reason?
Absolutely. They own Dynastream, which is ANT+.
At some point I hope that there is a ‘Holy Grail’ device that integrates everything. I mean ‘running dynamincs’ stats and works as bluetooth and ant+. The adidas smart watch is a step in that direction but takes only bluetooth and not ant+.
On another question/topic. Are there any other apps out there that can do ‘running dynamics’ like what Garmin does?
What I’m also finding–to my disappointment–is that the GPS signal frequently gets lost in steep wooded terrain. Interestingly, I also wore the TomTom Runner/triathlete watch on my other wrist. The TomTom never lost a signal. The Garmin cut out (autopaused) frequently.
Just got it yesterday from REI and first run today.
Observations:
* I like it a lot!
* it is very light and much less “clunky” than my 610
* very well built; some have noted that it seems cheaper, but I don’t think so, it is about half the weight, but it looks and feels very well designed
* the overall controls to me are a bit more intuitive
* I really like the freedom from the “ant dongle”. either it will upload from bluetooth from the phone or from wifi when I get home. wifi was a bit glitchy at first, but fine the 2nd time
* VO2 and recovery work perfectly with the viiiiva combo bluetooth/ant HR strap; I use runkeeper on my iphone as a “backup” source of my data and I hated having to connect an ant dongle to the iphone to get HR
* GPS acquisition is MUCH better than the 610; almost no wait.
* nice that firmware updates happen over wifi and you don’t have to wait to hear about it somewhere else and then manually start it
* usb charging cradle is much better; the older one was very sensitive to placement
* the watch band is so much better; my early 610 would just fall off occasionally due to the pins slipping out
* I still use garmin training center on the mac to have a local source of data and I have yet to figure out how to add the 620–any suggestions are welcome
* I was able to import into rubitrack on the mac by just importing the fit file from the folder–also not sure how to add this device so I can just sync and get the files–maybe it is not possible
I realize that for many the new HRM features are key, but for the life of me, I have no idea what to do with data that tells me how much I bounce and how long my feet are on the ground. I love data, but I can’t quite see much use for this. I would rather have my other iphone apps with HR data via bluetooth and also connect to my 620.
One advantage I have found with the HRM-Run is that haven’t had any HR spikes yet. I was looking at my Garmin activities from a few years ago and things have definitely improved for the better on this one.
I think everybody is trying to understand how GCT & VO can help them!
But good point about getting HR on your iPhone if you use a bluetooth strap. Any spikes with that?
Re Garmin Training Center it picks up a 620 as a known device on a PC and so works fine on that platform.
Ray mentioned this at some point, but Garmin definitely made positive changes within the pod itself to help eliminate heart rate spikes/inaccuracies. I’ve been using the same hrm-sports-bra (the strap is built into the bra) that I used with previous garmin hrm pods, and its definitely much cleaner data. My hrm-sports-bra actually provided much better readings than any strap I ever tried (garmin or polar) even before this, but its that much better still with the hrm-run pod :).
The watch itself is an absolute joy to use. The touchscreen is super responsive, and it’s so light I literally forget I’m wearing it. I knew it would be much lighter and smaller than my previous 310xt, but I didn’t quite understand the difference in feel on my wrist, its amazing! I also love the wifi uploads since i’d been having some trouble with my 310 and ant stick. Can’t wait for the android phone app also, hopefully thats not delayed forever. I love the color (blue/black) and the sleek look too :)
Purchased the 620 from Clever Training on 9/29 and received notification that it was shipped out today. Looking forward to it!
Well I tried to be patient, I waited and waited, and I saw your posting so I called Clever Training just now. My order placed 10/18 – didn’t make it in this newest shipment – so I’m supposed to wait for “early next week” – yeah right, Thanksgiving week – i’m going to be waiting another two weeks — so I cancelled my order. This has been the worst pre-order experience I ever had.
Does FR620 require the new HRM-Run for VO2Max calculation? I have Garmin Edge 510 with soft strap HRM and I would like to use it to save some money. I do not need the additional features of HRM-Run.
Another question is, if the VO2Max calculation also works for other activities like cycling. I suppose that VO2Max calculation will not be added to Edge 510.
Martin in post #752 demonstrates that you don’t need the HRM-Run for VO2 Max and I would echo that from one run with the “soft strap”.
I would imagine VO2 Max calculations like this are a lot harder for cycling as speed is so much more a function of the weather, road surface, how “aero” you are and how many riders are offering you a draft. As such I would have to guess no.
IMO if they decide to implement the Navigation and Trackpoints with a firmwareupdate, than I could really think about exchange my good old FR305. But with out Navigation it is no option. Than the FR 305 is still over the edge. I would even prefer to buy the now very cheap 310xt when my 305 breaks, even when the navigation part has som flaws, but with that i could get along, rather without.
Reading the comments here and on the Garmin forums, there are quite a lot of people (including you & me) who would welcome the basic navigation features (say those that were in the 610) in the 620. Probably the most important for me is to be able to mark a location and then be able to navigate back to it with a just a simple arrow and distance indication. Has saved me getting lost many times! It is sort of the thing you can never be quite sure when you might need…
Thanks again for supporting all of us in the comments with questions and early glitches and the like!
Tiny question for you: The waterproofing on the 620/220 seems to be really good based on what you’ve said so far. I’d like to use my 620 just as a timer/maybe lap counter when I’m training in the pool. Do you see any potential issue with that, just swimming in chlorine with it (a lot!) and also hitting the lap button some of the time (I’d usually do this at the wall when the watch is out of the water, but still wet ofc). Also, do you see any potential issue if any of the buttons somehow get pressed under water and would putting it down a bit of depth cause this? This used to happen with my 310xt, I dive, so I sometimes train in the deep end of the pool doing some deeper drills with the watch still on, 310’s buttons, especially the lap button, used to just get pressed all on its own down there (this was maybe 5-10 feet deep at most), didn’t seems to hurt the watch, just had lots of random laps.
Thank you!
Great review Ray!
I’m super excited about the all additional stats that 620 can provide, but can’t really justify if the upgrade from 310xt is really worth it? I’m mostly running – about 40-50mpw, with occasional cycling sessions 4-5 times a month.
Is it worth to upgrade?
For me, I hope it was worth the upgrade — although I am keeping my 310xt for triathlons and cycling. I wanted the wireless ability of the 620 so that I can upload workouts to Garmin Connect with my phone’s mobile hot spot. Often, I have to try two or three times for the ant stick to upload info from the 310xt. I had the same problem with the ant stick and a 610 I previously owned. Aside from that, I have had a great experience with the 310. I like the bright large screen, much better than the 610 screen, and the 310 has been very reliable. The battery life also has been excellent. If the 620 doesn’t live up to my expectations, I won’t be disappointed in sticking with the 310 — except for the ant stick which sometimes drives me nuts.
Fyi, there appears to be progress made in filling back orders of 620s. I called Clever Training and they said the one I ordered on Oct. 1 is shipping today. Also, REI had the white and orange 620 in stock, as of this morning, and the 220s were in stock. An REI customer service rep said they’re shipping immediately.
Issues with this 620 watch are increasing:
1: Restarting (turn-off/turn-on) watch does not recover Wifi upload, I have seen it working for my first run, after that it is back to cable. On the watch auto Wifi is enabled. Any clues?
2: VO2max prediction was given after first run, for subsequent runs no VO2max estimation is given. It does a recovery check after 12′ in the run. Yes I am wearing the HRM strap. I cant find a setting on the watch for enable/disable, any advice?
3: When doing indoor cycling with HRM strap, the first 4-6 minutes the HR displayed is in the 60-ish, then within a minute the HR raises to actual values. Yes I have followed Ray’s advice, moisturize full strap, even wet my T-shirt. Any one faces same issue?
4: HRM strap does not work with Cycleops Joule 2.0, Garmin’s response was that ANT+ support responsibility is with third party manufacturers. Anybody has similar experiences with backward compatablity with non-Garmin stuff?
How to do a “factory reset”, maybe this solves some of my problems?
Thanks in advance.
Hmm, based on 3 out of 4 items being related to the HR strap, I’d suspect you may simply have a bad strap. As for WiFi, that gets tricky, as it gets into the territory of WIFi troubleshooting a bit.
Factory reset is (with full data loss), is:
Non-prompted non-vol clear
1. Turn watch off by pressing and holding the power key for several seconds.
2. Press and hold start and lap.
3. While still holding start and lap, press the power key to turn the watch back on.
4. Release the power key and wait for a beep.
5. Release the start key and wait for a beep.
6. Release the lap key.
7. The watch should now boot up if this worked.
Thanks Ray.
Via local running shop following feedback has been received from Garmin:
1. WIFI will only work if computer (with required Garmin SW) is turned on. I was under the impression the watch can autonomously take care of uploads, once it is connected to known/learned WIFI network.
4. HRM strap is not ANT+ and will not work with other brands. Ray learned us that the running dynamics is proprietary extension to ANT+, but my impression was that HR side of the protocol should be compatible with ANT+.
I am going to run some experiments over the weekend to check some claims. Will start-off with factory reset. If there is little progress the watch is going back.
According to “This is ANT” the HRM-RUN should be compatible with all ANT+ fitness products. See here: link to thisisant.com
I hope this is true as I want to have the HRM-RUN as a backup for my HRM2.
If PC running Garmin SW is really required for Wifi upload, then it is a big drawback of the functionality. I plan to use WiFi upload until BT upload will work on android. I like the wireless upload feature of my Garmin Edge 510.
We know that #1 isn’t true, as both myself and numerous other users have shown. And #2 isn’t necessarily true either. I showed it working just fine with the Wahoo Fitness app. I’m not at home at the moment, so I can’t test my CycleOps Joule GPS that you’re having problems with to see if it’s a CycleOps thing, a Garmin thing, a your strap thing, or something else.
In any case, as noted above, the strap is ANT+ compatible – and it wasn’t self-tested, which means that it went through the full test certification process for ANT+ compatibility (as linked to above).
On the WIFI upload issues, the factory-reset was of great help, now WIFI upload work superb, thanks Ray!
The strap (+HRM/HR unit) is on its way to Garmin, I expect it is going to be replaced, fingers crossed.
Thanks for all help.
Garmin replaced HR strap, so I paired it with Joule 2.0, so far so good. But no HR displayed, just “—” on the Joule 2.0. With Cycleops ANT+ HR strap things are fine, and yes I have put the Cycleops strap aside while pairing with 620 strap (it shows different sensor ID).
Can anybody check if you can get HR displayed with 620 HRM strap on Cycleops Joule 2.0?
The other way around works as expected, with Cycelops ANT+ strap HR data can be displayed on 620 watch.
Thanks for your help!
Rationale: using two straps is an issue, when doing duathlons/triathlons.:)
Ordered my 620 on Sept 17 from Garmin’s Chicago store,thinking I would be one of the first to get my 620. In the past the store usually gets the gear early. Finally shipped, expecting delivery tomorrow. In the future I think I will go with REI.
So RRS just gave me a call… not sure if they are calling everyone who preordered or just the VIPs or just me because I yelled at them on Facebook :) Anyway they confirmed my preorder with them still would not ship this week and they said maybe by next Friday. That said they gave me another 10% off for waiting. Since this is the one for my wife, I am ok with letting it sit. I really wonder if the orange/white just way oversold or something.
That’s not fair, maybe you got a good salesperson or something. They pushed my first 220 order back at least 4 times without offering any condolences. When I reordered last weekend (bc it said in stock online), I got an email saying it would ship Friday. We will see if I get a shipping notice or if I wil lneed to keep yelling at them too.
I just called and they told me the same thing. Hopefully next friday. But, they did give me another 10% off. REI does have them in stock, but between the now 20% and no sales tax, i’m going to wait.
I’m going thru the same thing you guys are with RR. I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. RR has given you all another 10% off the garmins? All they’ve offered me is 15% off my next phone order. Thanks.
I got a blue/black 620 with heart rate monitor from a local store here in New York last Friday. Oddly, 3 stores I went to had the white/orange available but none of the blue/black. I luckily got mine because it was on hold for someone that decided they no longer wanted it.
Preordered Oct 22, shipped today from CT (non HRM version)
Thank you Ray for all the time you spend here! missed your
trip to Israel, come again sometime :)
I preordered Oct 9 and called this morning – it will be shipped only some time after Thanksgiving, which means, December.
FOr the folks who are waiting for their pre orders from Clever training, I just got an email that my order has been shipped, ordered the 620 on 10/16.
I ordered mine on 9/22, orange and white bundle and still haven’t received anything. Assuming it hasn’t shipped without me being notified, I’ll be canceling my order ASAP.
Hey Brian, for what it’s worth, CT shipped my 620 on Thursday (ordered Oct. 1) and had not sent me an email notification. I found out by calling them, and then they emailed me the notice.
Good luck to you.
Any UKers know how to get a 620 for less than full price?
AFAIK only available from Sweatshop right now.
link to runnersworld.co.uk
has some chat about discount codes some people have tried.
DONT BUY THE 620 UNTIL IT UPLOADS WITH STRAVA VIA BLUE TOOTH 4.0-UNTIL THEN BUY A POLAR H7 FOR 60.00-REASON AS-
-YOU NEED TO UPLOAD TO STRAVA (APPLICATIONS) WITH EASE
-THERE IS NO EASE OF USE IN THE CURRENT USER CONFIGURATION SCHEME TO UPLOAD FILES WITH EASE TO STRAVA
**Because the 620 (the 620), doesn’t support other apps accessing it via Bluetooth or WiFi. So, only the Garmin Connect Mobile iPhone app can upload from it. From there, it only uploads to Garmin Connect.
Think would have to be desperate to buy a Polar these days!
For Strava uploads plug in USB charger to computer and do a “From File” upload of the FIT file from the ACTIVITIES folder on your 620.
Or, if you have no cable to hand, upload to Garmin Connect via the app or WiFi, export the activity as a TCX and then use upload that using From File as well.
I asked Strava about a “better” solution and they said that they are working on it.
Thank you tom gringo,
I was going to purchase a Garmin 620 HRM unit. Your shouting at everyone about it not using a protocol to upload to a website that I never use has made me see the error of my ways.
The two stage solution laid out by Tim Grose seems far to complex for me to follow.
Thanks again for the advice. Do you have any Polar employee discount codes you could let me have?
haha kev, exactly! How dare garmin not implement out of the box automatic uploads to strava…
I just received my Garmin 620 with HRM-Run on Thursday and did my first run this morning with the watch.
I ran 5.5 miles and started out with the HRM-Run on and connected and was watching the Running Dynamics data page on the watch. 23 minutes into my run the watch stopped providing the Running Dynamics data yet the HR continued to be tracked on the watch.
I tried removing the HRM-Run and rewetting the contacts and reattaching the HRM. I also tried disabling and re-enabling the Running Dynamics data screen on the watch mid run. The watch said it would track Running Dynamics data when a HR Monitor was attached. The watch continued to track the HR data the entire run just not the Running Dynamics data.
After the run was complete, I synced the data to my iPhone via Garmin Connect app. I then started a new run and the Running Dynamics page appeared again. Has anyone else experienced this issue or a similar one? I updated yesterday to the most recent v 2.3.0 firmware version on the 620.
Ray or others, any suggestions to troubleshoot and resolve this issue? It’s odd the HRM-Run would continue to track the HR data but stop tracking the Running Dynamics data mid run and be unable to resume Running Dynamics data tracking for the remainder of the run. I hope this issue can be resolved by Garmin support or someone on the forum. I am reviewing the watch for Phidippides running store in Atlanta, GA. The former Olympic runner Jeff Galloway owns Phidippides running stores; I’d hate to ding the watch for one of the new key features. Thanks all.
Up above a comment or three hundred, someone noted a similar issue with Running Dynamics data not coming through on the 1st run, but being there for all subsequent runs. I don’t have a solution – but I would encourage posting it to the Garmin Forums (or support), as I know they are monitoring the FR220/FR620 forums.
Ah yes, just replied to that post over on the Garmin 620 forum.
link to forums.garmin.com
Don’t have an “answer” but hopefully some sight of your activity and/or further details of the circumstances might help to troubleshoot.
Ethan, I was the one who had difficulty with running dynamics on my first run. Although the HRM recorded perfect HR, I had NO running dynamics at all recorded (I didn’t check for it until post run…) During a support call with Garmin they had me start a new run indoors for a few seconds to try it out and the running dynamics worked perfectly. I have since run 2 real runs and running dynamics worked well. I never changed any settings it snipe didn’t workable and then it did.
I suspect once again we new users of a garmin fitness product are always the beta testers for these bugs during the first 6 months.
PS: God I love autocorrect on iOS
I had 2 runs today that Running Dynamics, GCT & Vert Osc, were not captured, however cadence data was captured. Yes I was wearing my HRM-Run w/ silver man on it. I know Running Dynamics was enabled, because I kept swiping past that screen during my run. I only noticed the data missing on Garmin Connect, when I was comparing to the 610 data gathered on the same runs this afternoon. As soon as I noticed it, I went to my 620 and double checked that RD was enabled, and it was. I looked back at my 5 or 6 other runs I’ve done w/ the 620 watch and they all have dynamics data. I tried the running in place here at home this evening and RD was captured & was able to upload it. I tried deleting one of my runs from this afternoon on Garmin Connect and then adding the .fit file from the watch via usb cable but no GCT or Vert Osc were there, just the cadence like initially.
So I had orders with RRS and another GPS website, and both my orders kept getting the delays in shipments. A local store posted they had some early yesterday afternoon and somehow still two in stock last night when I went to pick them up! Went for a first run last night, and both the heart rate and running dynamics worked flawlessly for both my husband and me. Set up all the syncing to Garmin Connect via wifi and hooked it up to my phone’s bluetooth all without problem. My only surprise was that my phone can only see my 510 or my 620 and not both but if my understanding is correct, this is a limitation of bluetooth and not of the Garmin Connect app.
I do understand some of the comments that the watch feels cheap. To me, I’m so used to the heavy/bulky 910xt, that when I first picked up the 620, I had the same feeling. I think I’ll get over it though because the lightness is nice but it’s just not what I’ve learned a GPS watch to feel like. The touch screen and interface both seem surprisingly usable and intuitive to me. So far we love them and plan on ditching our 910s in favor of the 620s.
Also forgot to mention, our local running store had both the white/orange and the black/blue in stock just for anyone trying to track what colors seem to be being shipped out.
I get that the actual screen in about the same size as the 610 and 405/410 series that came before but for some reason the light weight and very flat huge front surface makes the screen look small and the border huge and contributes to the “cheap” feel. Bottom line is the watch is feature rich (but buggy like Garmin stuff always is… footpod issues, rare but present bug of missing running dynamics etc.) and waterproof and is a great tool so it is still THE watch to get but I wish it could “feel” more like the premium device it is. The Nike+ Sportwatch, Garmin 610, Garmin 405, Garmin 210, TomTom, and Adidas watches all to me feel more premium and look like it too.
Some other late-comer just got moved up a spot in the CT queue … I’ve cancelled my order with them because I don’t like the way they do “business.”
Called to confirm that they’d received my 10-day-old order as I did not get the promised email confirmation … “Oh, we don’t send those out until the product ships.”
Then, please cancel my order.
“OK. You’ll see a credit on your card in a couple days.”
That they’ll happily take the customer’s money without telling them and without a word in response acknowledging the transaction just frosts my shorts. No thanks!
(Glad I actually kept track of my order number as some sort of proof.)
So, now I’ll be keeping tabs on my credit card to make sure they actually did cancel my order as they said they would on the phone – because, of course, there is still no written communication from CT.
Hi Joe-
Thanks for supporting the site.
I asked Clever to look into what happened – as I do anytime someone posts here with an issue (or e-mails me on the case). As is always the case, order confirmations are e-mailed out within about 1-2 seconds of you finalizing your purchase. In yourcase, the sales system showed it sent an e-mail to your address at 9:14:20AM on Nov 12, 2013 (East Coast Time).
Now, sometimes those e-mail messages get caught up in various Junk E-Mail programs – so I’d definitely encourage you to look there (though, that can sometimes happen upstream from your Inbox). E-mails would have come from the address: sales@clevertraining.com
I suspect the confusion from the customer service person was around the shipping e-mail, rather than the order confirmation e-mail. Though, obviously, I wasn’t on the phone.
Hope this helps.
I also had a less-than-awesome experience with CT. Was really hoping to support this site, too. I ordered a blue/black 620 with HRM the first week in November, and saw the charge go through on 11/11. I got an order number, but never got a confirmation email. Sent two separate emails to them (via their web form), asking for a confirmation. Never got one. Finally had to call them. I realize I’m late to the game and probably waaaay down in the list under several pre-order customers. But frustrating to get no communication at all. (And I kept checking spam folder.) Sounds like something might be broken over at CT. I’ll be cancelling my order.
Anyhow. Wound up buying one from a Pacers store in Northern Virginia this past weekend — my lovely wife even let me cash in some of her hard-earned customer loyalty points, and I saved a few bucks! Can’t wait to start geeking out on all my run data.
Sorry to hear of the troubles, wish I could have helped.
Tell the Pacers folks hi (Joe and Sonia if in Alexandria)…we’re good friends with them. :)
Thanks for a great, in depth review!
(as per usual) :)
I’m really hoping Garmin decides to include more features with the colour screen, otherwise it seems pretty disappointing and pointless.
I’ve still got the 620 on my x-mas list though! I need a new watch regardless!
Hey DC Rainmaker,
Picked up a 620 Thursday here in Perth (Western Australia) and used it properly for the first time in a 12km night trail race on Saturday. Live tracking, running dynamics and everything worked fine and I’m now officially in love with the 620 after moving on from a 2 year fling with a couple of 610’s (reverse charging and button blue ring seal issues).
My only problem is that the trail race had a lot of steep climbing and rapid descending the over pretty rough and rocky terrain and today my legs are feeling a little worse for wear ( link to strava.com ) . Tomorrow is Monday and I’ve managed to get the morning free and was hoping to go for a run but I’m not sure my legs are up to another solid hit out so soon.
Any news on when a firmware upgrade might be released for the 620 that will reduce recovery time and eliminate post race leg fatigue?
Cheers for the always in depth and informative reviews.
Hi Ray, I would like to know your opinion between this watch and the Suunto Ambit 2 … ‘m a marathon runner and I am devoting more time lately to ultra trail, I know both are great watches but the battery from Garmin pushes me a little backwards …
Which one would you buy, only to trail running?
many Thanks
Damian
fantastic write up, thanks again
Absolutely fantastic review…I really appreciate it as well.
I guess I didnt notice the tie into CT or I would have ordered it from them instead of RRS (my local shop isnt expecting any for a while).
Like many others I am on the wait list despite numerous updated ‘ship dates’.
OK, thats enough venting….I can’t wait to try this out when it gets here….upgrading from a 405 that is on it’s last leg.
Somebody else may have mentioned this in the comments above, but I’m too lazy to go through each of them:) Anyway, I just got my 620 yesterday and I was having trouble getting my old PRs from Garmin Connect to download to the watch, like you had mentioned. But, I finally got it to work by connecting with the USB cable. Just go to Garmin Connect and there is a tab above the personal records section that says “send to device.” The device should appear when the watch is attached with the cable.
Hi there – the inability to use straight of the box for cycling as well as running seems like a deal breaker for me – can you explain what you meant by saying they are working on this function. Thanks….
In your opinion what would be the best solution for someone that doesn’t like fiddling with technology:
Including:
GPS – shows data and route after
Run
Cycling
Pace
Not a massive beast size wise
HR
Elevation??
Thanks, Mike
Mike
Kind of depends what exactly you want in terms of cycle functionality?
If you don’t want to be “fiddling with technology” maybe can presume you won’t want to be attaching speed/cadence/power sensors to your bike?
If so then it will “work” on a bike – you will still be able to see speed, distance, HR, elevation etc as these are all available data fields.
The “snag” is that the bike rides will be set as default in Garmin Connect as runs and also you will get your (running) records overwritten.
“Bike mode” and also a “GPS section” is perhaps the two most likely things that Garmin might add in due course and for sure if lots of people lament their omission one assumes more likely to happen.
So you could either wait a bit and see what develops or look at the 210/610 which have a bike mode but only the 610 I believe supports the bike specific sensors I mentioned.
Or you look at a 310 or 910 but are clearly somewhat bigger devices and not meant to be “simple” devices.
In case of a pure cycling-mode in relation to HR monitoring, the watch firmware must be able to deal with cycling HR zone metrics. The reason is that maximum HR zone for cycling is 10-15 beats lower than with running typically, meaning that metrics like training effect (and VO2max) would be skewed. I have not seen a way in GC to recalculate these metrics activity has been set as cycling activity.
E.g. I have done couple of sub-max efforts on indoor bike (2′ on VO2max, 2′ easy), and the TE is still reported as moderate, which didn’t match my actual efforts.:)
Amazon has some in stock. Just ordered mine.
I did my first run today with my new 620, 6mi on the treadmill. My treadmill is calibrated correctly. The watch was inaccurate by about 30 to 45 seconds per mile at anything above 9:30 minute miles. Down to about 8:30 miles it was inaccurate by about 15 seconds. The heart rate monitor and cadence functions worked very well. The watch was extremely light and I didn’t even notice I had it on, and was very easy to tap between screens. I have not yet had a chance to test it outside, hopefully very soon.
Josh, I may be mistaken, but I think the internal accellerometer is automatically calibrated with GPS after running outside for a bit. That may be why it wasn’t providing accurate data.
Could be, appreciate the feedback!
Just got my fr620 today. And I must say that having never had a gps watch before, to now, being able to track metrics while running is fantastic!
I must also say that I’m certainly happy I’ve never owned a gps watch up to this point because I don’t have to compare the 620 to anything else. I’ve read where people say the 620 feels cheap, the screen gives etc, but to me it’s the best thing since sliced bread.
Ray, thanks again for all the hard work you’ve put in to this review. I’ve been studying it for a month and when I got my watch I knew what and how to use it right away.
Btw, all the features ie heart monitor, etc worked great. To load my first run I plugged unit straight into the computer. I have not used to wifi yet that will be on tomorrow’s agenda.
I just purchased my fr620 today, charged it and when I took it off the charger the screen is frozen saying 100% and the time. I’m hoping it just something small.
Jen, have you tried powering it off and turning it back on?
I got my 620 HRM a couple of weeks back – and generally love it! It’s light – very easy to work with – and a great step up from my old Garmin 405CX (horrible bezel!). However, I wonder if anyone have noticed something off with the GPS accuracy ?
I was just uploading my latest runs to the Garmin Connect site – and see that I’ve been running in water for a good part of the run! OK, this is a trail that is only 5-10 meters from the water – but still – it was way out in the water – and when I crossed a bridge, it looked like I had been using a boat! See the example: link to connect.garmin.com.
Also – today suddenly the watch freaked out – and “skipped” around 400 meters – which gave me a new 1K record of 2:17! As that is almost half my normal pace – that is obviously not correct. The entire run ended up being around 400 meters longer than I ran! Any idea what could have happened here ?
Thanks.
As a comparison – here is the same run a few weeks earlier using my 405CX: link to connect.garmin.com. That looks more correct – although the bit to the outer right is not correct – as you run on both sides of the canal (and cross over a bridge).
Apart from the freak accident today (as mentioned above) – maybe this is just a matter of nature being more correct than Google, Bing or OpenStreetMap can portray!
Martin, as noted in one of the earlier comments, I have experienced the same issues in some of my runs. I thought it was due to the tall buildings in my area but that does not seem then case where you run.
Hey Ray! Great write up as usual! I got my 620 last week. One thing that I’m missing from the 610 is the satellite signal strength screen. Do you know if there is a way to view a similar screen on the 620? Thanks!
Afraid that has been taken away.
Thanks for the great review. I ordered it from Clever Training using your link and used the discount code. It’s the least I can do. :-)
For info, I ordered the 620 HR black/blue on October 11th and I just received a mail from CT saying that my order has shipped :)
Hi Ray – as always, fantastic review!
Very disappointed to read that the 620 no longer features data upload via ANT, so the only way to get workouts uploaded to 3rd party sites (training peaks, etc) is via a computer with a USB connection. As a person who travels a lot without a computer, uploading with a smartphone/ANT dongle is a must-have feature, so I guess I am sticking with the 610 until it dies…
Any idea why Garmin seems to be going backwards in this department?
It seems like they are trying to strongly “encourage” you to stay in their eco-system. This will be a great way to alienate long time loyal users who love the devices but don’t use GC for more than backup. Making Ant+ basically public was a big part of what got them the traction it did. This is going in the opposite direction. A couple steps forward, a couple steps back.
Wasn’t aware you can do ANT downloads from a 610 (or similar) using just a smartphone? What software are you using to do that?
In terms of a 620 for a completely wireless solution you could look at things like copymysports.com
Less “elegant” is to download the activity as a TCX from Garmin Connect and upload it elsewhere.
Also don’t forget the 620 is a USB device and so you can grab the FIT devices off the device if you can mount it as a USB drive somehow. Maybe there is an app that would faciliate that on a smartphone as well. Will have to try this myself although there maybe issues with iPhones/iPads about how much power can put through the USB adapter.
Sorry I meant FIT files (from the ACTIVITIES folder) above!
The Wahoo Fitness iPhone Adapter, along with the Wahoo Fitness app: link to dcrainmaker.com
Note that this won’t work with the Garmin FIT adapter, since it’s locked to just the Garmin Fit app.
I scored a 620 HRM here in Australia at a Rebel sport last week with 20% off. Very happy with it so far, easy to use, love the four metrics.
Ray, the race predictor is giving me predictions that seem way too quick – around 30 minutes faster than I would normally run a half, for example. Is this telling me I need to push harder? Or is it just wrong?
The race predictor is based on the VO2Max estimates. Based on your VO2Max it just does a simple lookup in a table based on gender/age for potential race finish times.
Which ultimately means that if you were to train “properly”, you in theory may be able to hit that time. It’s not necessarily telling you to push harder, as in most cases getting a faster time isn’t so much about pushing harder, but really about a more structured training program.
Of course, that all assumes that the VO2Max is correct. In most cases though, most of the VO2Max type applications rarely overestimate, but most often underestimate. Thus, it’s probably in the ballpark.
Also for the VO2 Max calculations to have a chance of working you must enter your max HR correctly as top priority and also min HR, weight, height, age etc etc
Ship notice from CT today for 620 Black/Blue HRM — but sadly somehow pulled a muscle in today’s run — so not sure when I’ll get to use it!
Is there no recovery time and VO2max calculated when GPS is turned off?
Hi Ray,
is the GPS used in the Forerunner 620 the same one as in the Forerunner 910XT?
Or is it a newer (and preciser) one?
This would be the only reason why I would buy the Forerunner 620.
Thx
Tony
No, the new chipset supports the satellite cache that’s delivered via software every 7 days. This is why the satellite pickup is so quick (sometimes just a few seconds).
Thx Ray,
Does this make the new watch GPS more precise? Or does it just find the satellites easier?
Any idea when you will publish your GPS accuracy test? I am really looking forward to it.
Greetz
Tony
The chipset being newer should, in theory, but I haven’t tested it. I’m also still waiting GLONASS confirmation.
I don’t have a specific timeline yet for the accuracy tests, mostly because my work travel schedule is so hectic right now.
The FR620 is less accurate then my Edge 510 which features GPS/Glonass. To be specific, on the same workout, I run the same street on the same pavement one direction and after 40mins the other direction. The difference between both tracks is sometimes almost 40 meters. With the Edge 510 I can see on which side of the road I ride. With FR620 the recorded route is often 20-30 meters of the actual position. There is no difference in accuracy in building area and park. Also the GPS fix needs a bit more time than the Edge 510.
When I bought the FR620, I expected the same accuracy as the Edge 510. Now I’m a little bit disappointed.
Today I noticed in the recorded data by chance, that the watch lost GPS signal for about 1:30 – this happened in open area. It looks like the FR620 has a really big problem with GPS sensitivity.
If it didn’t accidentally pause (either auto-pause or button/whatever), you may want to give Garmin a ring then. I’ve never seen any satellite drops on mine, or that great of variance. Given you’ve got a bit of a repeating issue there, seems like a quick ring may be good.
I just wanted to compliment how generally thorough you are in your reviews. This is certainly my go-to site when I’m trying to get a field-test on GPS watches, and other articles (HRM errors, calibration tool, foot pod) have been supremely helpful and exhaustively written.
That said, be selfish! That link that you put up to Garmin’s videos, make it open in a new tab or window! Sure I had no problem hitting ALT+left arrow, but why navigate away from here? I don’t know if you write the code, use a GUI, or have a webmaster, but it’s not too hard to change the link.
Great job with everything else and your work, dedication, professionalism, and precision, it surely is appreciated.
Any updates on the status of the Clever Training orders ?
Ordered mine on 11/9, and it still hasn’t shipped.
I ordered the black/blue HRM from CT on 11/4 and when I called, they said it’d probably ship first week of December, but I think that’s a generous estimate given that it looks like people who ordered early-mid October just got theirs shipped. I’m thinking second week of Dec. is more likely for me.
I ordered the Blue/Black 620 HRM bundle from CT on 10/19, and I just received an email with shipping notification and tracking information.
I’ve found CT to be very easy to work with over the phone, and I’ve had no qualms about calling them (regularly) to get updates on the status of my order. They responded to my email inquiries, but I personally have had a better experience over the phone.
Can anyone tell me how I sync Garmin Connect data like heart rate zones to the 620? The “Send to Device” button in Garmin Connect wants to use Garmin Web Updater which I don’t believe is compatible with the 620… Thanks!
Ok, one more oddity/question… I did a slow recovery run today and got these stats in Garmin Connect:
Time: 43:57
Moving Time: 38:20
Elapsed Time: 44:13
Avg Pace: 10:58 min/mi
Avg Moving Pace: 9:34 min/mi
Best Pace: 4:41 min/mi
The weird thing is Avg Moving Pace and Best Pace which are both radically wrong. I only “stopped” once on this run for a light and I paused the run so Avg Moving Pace should be nearly identical to Avg Pace (which is correct.) The Best Pace of course is radically wrong too but I am assuming that is just a little spike somewhere along the run where my position “jumped” (although the map trace looks very good.)
Does this have something to do with 1 second recording? I have never had a Garmin with 1 second recording before and I have turned it on. Would turning smart recording back on help “smooth” this result? Should I save 1 second recording for only those times I am running a twisty course or something? (I do use 1 second recording on a Garmin Edge 510 and it works great but those are bike speeds.)
Thanks!
David
Might be useful to see a link to your activity in Garmin Connect to see what might be going on there?
Have you got Auto Pause on? Not quite sure what you mean by “paused the run”? Pressed stop?
The recording method ought not make any difference to what is on GC as that just reflects what the device computes and that “sees” all data. In smart mode it just saves less trackpoints to make for smaller file sizes.
Thanks for replying Tim, I would post a link to the activity but it starts/ends at my home and those I keep private for my paranoia reasons (but as an airline pilot I always leave open my on the road runs across the country.)
I do NOT use auto-pause so that isn’t it. The track looks perfect except for a brief mid run jump that suddenly puts me a 100 or so feet off a running path and then right back on, perhaps enough to account for the 4:41 “Best Pace” error but not for the weird “average moving pace.” The weird jump is also strange because it occurred in the middle of a huge park without a single tree or structure in any direction for a half mile and so I should have had perfect GPS signal… I am wondering if these jumps are actually a common issue in GPS signal coverage but are smoothed by using “smart-recording” vs. the “1 second” recording I was doing in this activity.
Does anyone have an comment on if using 1-second recording has ANY disadvantages other than file size? I’m almost wondering if I am shooting myself in the foot using it when I don’t really need it for running when I am not on an outdoor track or very twist course?
From my experience with 310xt – smart recording don’t “smooth” GPS data, just records 4 times less waypoints. It’s tradeoff – 1 second recording cuts less corners, but also gives more GPS errors. Both effects give longer distance recorded. In multi-lap races smart recording usually shows 2-5% shorter distance than it really is, just on corner cutting. So i use smart recording only for smaller file size on 4 hour or longer events.
And of course 1 second recording eats battery two times faster.
No it doesn’t. All it does is simply take up less space, it doesn’t have any impact on battery.
I was under impression that smart recording saves battery. I’ll test this and report back.
Tests revealed that recording mode, vibration, minimal backlight have undetectably small impact on battery life compared to charge/discharge cycle “memory” effect.
1 sec recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 8:30
smart recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 10:52
smart recording, vibration off, no backlight – 10:43
1 sec recording, vibration on, 8 sec backlight – 10:48
Hi All-
Just as a quick update for those who ordered FR220’s/FR620’s through Clever Training.
As of an hour ago, here’s the current status:
FR220’s:
All Red/Black HR bundles are now fully fulfilled – there’s also a small number available in-stock
Other other FR220 colors/variants are really close to being fulfilled in upcoming shipments
FR620’s:
All Orange/White HR bundles are now fully fulfilled – there’s a mediun number available in-stock of those
All other FR620 colors/variants are still a bit backordered
They got in a ton of units today, and many of you should be receiving shipping notices today (if you haven’t already). As always, first-in, first out. So the oldest orders get priority.
They’ll be sending another e-mail update on Friday with status, likely based on what quantities they expect to receive from Garmin in the next shipment. If you haven’t received any e-mail updates (or order confirmations), it means the e-mails are likely getting caught in span filters. The e-mails are sent from sales@clevertraining.com.
Finally, as noted above, you can always ring them up (or e-mail) with any questions. As a partner with them, if you ever have any issues with them, please don’t hesitate to reach out to me (the contact form goes straight to my inbox). I hold them accountable, and thus far they’ve resolved most issues near immediately for anyone whose reached out to me (usually in just minutes). They’re good folks who want to make sure folks are happy. So if something slips through the cracks, again, feel free to ping me to get it straightened out.
Thanks for the support!
-Ray
So 10 days ago, I was able to purchase my 620 at a local running store and thereby canceled my purchase through CT (they were at that time not able to tell me what number I was on the pre-order list). On Monday 18 Nov, I received the email stating that my order had been canceled and a refund was on the way. On 20 Nov I received a email that my 620 has shipped, needless to say I deleted the email because I thought for sure this was a mistake. Last night after walking in the house after a 16 hour day, there on the counter was a package from CT (my guess is that this is a FR620).
Today I contacted customer support to inform CT that they had made a mistake and sent me a 620 after I had canceled the order. I will be sending this back as soon as the post office opens back up from the holiday weekend. As this was the blue/black HR bundle this hopefully will help someone here get there watch a week earlier than planned.
Went to a local running store (Run Detroit, downtown) and they had a 620 HRM sitting on the shelf. Canceled my RRS order and bought it. Love supporting the local running stores.
…hit submit too soon. The bad news for me is, i have an injury and can’t run for a bit. Question: Can I use the 620 strictly as an HRM? I can only ride or do the elliptical right now.
Yup, simply switch to indoor mode and you’re good to go.
But is that really true Ray? With older Garmin’s selecting indoor and having no footpod created a fully HRM tracked cardio event (let’s say on an elliptical, an aerobics class etc.) but with the 620/220 having an internal accelerometer and the matching HRM having running dynamics it would appear selecting “indoor” still makes it think you are running. Won’t you get some funky looking event that shows a false distance from your “steps” (even if on an elliptical, doing aerobics or a program like Insanity/P90X) and skewing what you are really after like calories burned based solely on HR?
Well, given the two options – it’s the best of the two.
Ultimately, I assume Rob is looking for calorie burn information (as well as recording of HR). Both of those will occur regardless of any random arm swing distance that’s captured. So yes, you might end up seeing some graphs around pace/etc, due to that, but none that would impact the HR capture, nor the calories.
You got it. Thanks and happy thanksgiving.
I didn’t realize that the calorie count was entirely based on HR. I knew it was greatly effected by it with the firstbeat technology but I had thought it used some distance/pace in the equation too (unless it was also missing, hence why I thought that might be an issue on the 220/620 where it is never missing anymore). Thanks again Ray, Happy Thanksgiving!
Early days using the 620 for me. A couple of big differences to the 610 in the way I use Garmins is:
No average lap time data field on the 620. I use manual lap and av. lap time in big city races due to gps reliability.
Secondly, on workout steps with a pace target, the 610 uses av. lap pace, while the 620 is using current pace. I wish it worked the same as the 610, but there is a suggestion of the garmin forums that it was designed this way.
That was me Andrew on the workouts. Everybody is welcome to chime in on the matter here
link to forums.garmin.com
I have a FR 610 and was looking forward to the FR 620, but I think they missed the mark by removing features. I used the Tanita scale with my 610. I also travel and run in unfamiliar areas, so the track back feature is essential for me. My wife and I also used my FR 610 for geocaching. We enter the coordinates and go to that location. All the navigation features, as rudimentary as they are the the 610, are gone from the 620. I can’t see buying the 620 until these features are added back.
Any one ordered from Wiggle.co.uk?
And have any one gotten there unit?
Just as a quick update for all those pending Clever Training orders on the FR620 Black/Blue HR bundle. CT just got confirmation (via the packing list from Garmin), that all existing backorders for the FR620 will ship out in the December 5th shipment (meaning, ship to you on that date). New orders from today will also make it into that pile as well (obviously, up to a given point).
So baring a rouge turkey causing a delivery truck failure, those will be in your hands mid-next week. And, as noted yesterday, the Orange/White HR bundles are now fully fulfilled.
Thanks everyone for the support, and have a great Thanksgiving.
-Ray
Many thanks for the update Ray, that’s great to hear!
Happy thanksgiving.
Ive got the Garmin 620 and I’ve wondered if its possible to pause the run instead of stopping it? I press the button on the upper right corner every time I stop at a light for instance. However, when I export to Endomondo the average pace is correct, but the individual lap times (1 km) are all wrong, since it also counts the time I’ve pressed stop (at the red lights and so on).
Is there any way to pause instead of “stopping” the run and will the auto pause feature solve this issue?
Thanks
No, there’s only one way (which is the stop button, which pauses). Unfortunately, it really just comes down to Endomondo doing it their own way instead of the way every other site on the planet does it. :-/
Sorry!
Ok – thanks for your answer. Weird that I didn’t have the same issue with my old Garmin 405 when exporting to Endomondo…
Same thing with TrainingPeaks, This response I got from trainingPeaks support:
” TrainingPeaks is not compatible with smart recording, auto-pause, or pausing in general as this will affect the accuracy of your data. For the most accurate representation of your data we recommend every second recording, which can be configured on your 910xt under settings, and to leave your device running when you are stopped fro brief periods such as at a stop light.
Please change these settings in your device and let me know if the issue persist. “
Are you uploading the TCX file you get from Garmin Connect or the original FIT file directly from the watch? The TCX file sometimes doesn’t contain enough information to know exactly when the pause started and ended, especially in smart recording mode. The FIT file should have sufficient information but it is always possible Garmin has messed with the message order in the 620 .FIT files and confused some software. So if you haven’t tried uploading the .FIT file directly from the watch, you should.
Honestly, I think TP’s support is confused (or, they have an issue at the moment).
I’ll double-check that nothing’s changed, but I routinely use pause and it never slides my auto laps. Lap history is a function of the device itself – literally, it’s part of the file structure. Everything is recorded against UTC and the start/stop times of each one.
“and to leave your device running when you are stopped fro brief periods such as at a stop light”
Is that some sort of joke…how on earth does that improve the accuracy?
Well….ok, surely it improves the accuracy, but its not excactly a good solution from the runners standpoint. Just the fact that there is not a match between the laptimes and overall time is pretty unacceptable.
It doesn’t improve the accuracy. The unit maintains GPS signal whether stopped (paused) or started. Obviously, if you power it off, then it stops GPS, but assuming you don’t start running before you turned it back on again, it’s a net nothing.
Following questions:
1. Training Effect: is this based on HR Variability metrics, or a scoring system how much time is spent in individual HR zones? I want to understand what TE means in case of doing non-running activity (e.g. indoor cycling) wherein max HeartRate (and related zones) are different than with running. Would we need a possibility to re-calculate TE in GC (after we have moved activity-type from (default) running to cycling)?
2. Suunto watches are providing ventilation statistics (breaths/minute), which somehow are derived from HR pulse metrics. I found it rather useful, and miss this data in GC. Since my 620 is first Garmin running watch, I have no idea what Garmin has to offer on this aspect. Any change this will be added in future? Maybe Suunto has an edge here?
Thanks.
Check out link to firstbeat.com for more details on the 620 metrics. They supply the algorithms…
Thanks Tim Grose for your pointer to firstbeat, after reading some white papers I kind of understand what is going on. Respiration rate (HR derived), %max HR (sport dependent), beat2beat (HR derived) statistics and even on/off metrics (incline/decline EPOC) are input to TE model.
Hi Ray,
Like always you did a excellent job with the review. Thanks :D
I received my 620 today and soon went for a run in the rain. I am particularly interested in the new running dynamics and want display the details as charts in RunGap (link to appstore.com).
I can get the summary values for vertical oscillation and ground contact time via the API – but I wonder how to get the full data. You mentioned that the values can be read from the FIT data and I sort of expected them to be part of the TCX file as well – but this is not the case (at least not yet).
Do you know if there is a way to get the full data back from Garmin Connect?
I guess that many people won’t bother to keep local copies of their FIT files from the 620 because it is so easy to push them directly to Garmin Connect. So, I think a way to get one’s data back from Garmin Connect is to be expected.
Thanks
No, not in the TCX. Honestly, I wouldn’t expect them to (even though it’s the right thing to do). I’d actually prefer they just allow .FIT export natively from Garmin Connect. I might add that onto my list of things to push for…
In theory, the TCX file is extensible to new metrics (just an XML file), but in reality, it isn’t. It would almost certainly break many web sites and software packages That’s why there were so many problems with swimming metrics when the 910 first came out. I believe you need the .FIT file for any new metrics that were added in the last several years.
They really need to just give you access to the original .FIT file from the device. Ray, do you know if GC even stores the original file or just stores the data in their own internal format?
Thanks,
Since the .FIT data is already very compact and can be compressed further it makes little sense not to store a copy in Garmin Connect and it must be trivial to store it and hand it back as needed. Being able to request .FIT data from GC would be perfect for apps like RunGap.
Not having a PC in the loop and relying solely on Garmin Connect to store your data is very convenient and OK as long as you can get your hard earned data back again. Without a way to retrieve the full data you can argue that Garmin take our data for ransom just like some of the prominent phone app vendors do and that is clearly a step in the wrong direction. So, please push!
I don’t disagree that getting complete .FIT file export from GC is a bad thing.
But given you can always just plug it in, it’s a wee bit of a stretch to say they’re holding your data hostage. Your raw data is there, it just requires you plug the device in.
I agree that it’s a bit of a stretch and I should mention that I like the 620 a lot already ;)
But these devices tend to break or get lost and people like me tend delete the activities either accidentally or while trying to fix a problem with a master reset etc..
With all my previous Forerunners my data would always be backed up on my PC and with a copy on Garmin Connect I could always get my complete data back from there as well.
When using the 620 with the very convinient wireless transfer to Garmin Connect there is currently no way to get my complete data back in case the device is lost, broken or restored :(
Actually if you look in
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Garmin\Devices-Usb
then you should see a copy of your FIT files (in the ACTIVITY) folder for your 620 device
So as long as plug into USB and also grab a copy of those files from time to time you should have your own “backup”
Update: The running dynamics can be fetched from GC via this API call: link to connect.garmin.com.
Mark me down as another new 620 user that is pleased with the device but disappointed not to have any wireless connection.
I have a Bluetooth connection to my iPhone 5S. Both the watch and the Garmin Connect app show that the connection is in place, as does the Bluetooth entry in the menu. After completing an activity, I get a new entry on the activity page, saying “Waiting”. And it stays “Waiting”. More or less forever…over ten minutes after a half hour walk.
So I get impatient and press the watch’s upload button.to upload via WiFi. Yes, I have set it up. Yes, there’s a good signal. The watch says “Searching for WiFi network” for a while, then “Network error. Try again later.” Mixed with these is a Phone Disconnected and a Phone Connected message.
Finally, I take it off my wrist and put it in the USB connector. That works. But one of the big reasons I bought a 620 vs a 220 was the wireless capabilities. :(
Jim, I am having the same issue. I cannot get the 620 to upload to my wireless network. My Motoactive GPS watch worked fine with my WiFi but the 620 will not upload unless I connect it to my Garmin USB connector
Love it… Except I cannot get the data to upload from my watch to iphone.. Bluetooth is on, phone is connected, logged into Garmin connect… I can only upload hard wire to computer through USB cord
Had my first outdoor run today as it is unseasonably warm here today. a quick 4 miles, but at mile 1.10 i was forced to slow to a walk due to a nose bleed. .25 miles later i was off and running. the bulk of the run was at a pace of 8:00-8:30, but that walk slowed the avg pace down considerably. It displayed a VO2 max of 48 at the end of the run. this is significantly lower than my previously tested VO2 max (59) with my training coach at my gym. question: will vo2 max display new with each run or will it “save” the errant 48?
It will continue to adjust Josh. Certainly needs more than one or two runs to start seeing a fairly stable VO2 Max value.
You need to pay particular attention to giving it an accurate max HR value however. Presume when you got your 59, max HR was also determined…
Ahhh, I haven’t set up any max hr on the watch. The 59 was done many months ago “pre watch” in a very technical setting. But thank you for the input I am glad to hear it will continually adjust. I will try to figure out how to enter the max hr.
Hi Ray —
Any word from Garmin yet on the 620/2.30/footpod compatability issue? Finally got my 620 today and would like to calibrate footpod before having to use it on a treadmill. Thanks!
Nothing new, but last week was Thanksgiving, and thus little gets done at any US companies.
I’m sure Ray keeps us up to date about the footpod issue. Sometimes i feel like a spoiled kid. That’s your own fault Ray ;-)
Thanks for the great review
Does the 620/220 have the Auto Lap by preset distance that the 910xt has?
And I would like to know if the Auto Lap works by position.
Thanks.
Yeah, it does. It has an auto lap feature for 1 mile.
As stated it does have Auto Lap by preset distance – by default 1 mile if you using those units.
Afraid it does not have auto lap by position. I guess this is related to the 620 (at present) not having any navigation features – well apart from Heading.
Does the CleverTrainer bundle come with the the soft strap for the HRM-Run monitor?
Thanks!
Yup. (That’s the only way it’s sold in the bundle variant)
I typically import my workouts to MapMyRun. Can this be done wirelessly? It appears that the import function only works when the 620 is plugged into the USB port of the computer?
No, not wirelessly. You need to either then login to Garmin Connect and export out the file and re-import into MapMyRun.
Or, you need to plug it in via USB and upload to MapMyRun.
Or, you could look at https://tapiriik.com, which may let you sync to MapMyFitness automatically from Garmin Connect. I just tried checking, but it’s offline at the moment for some reason.
Thanks. MapMyRun doesn’t seem to be an option. Only Run Keeper
Looks like Strava is the winner, it syncs with tapiriik and has a shoe tracker built in.
Thanks for the great review. A couple of comments/questions on workouts:
It doesn’t seem to be possible to edit a workout on the watch. Even if I create the workout on Garmin Connect, I often, for example, want to increase the number of repetitions each week or adjust one of the interval lengths. Do I really have to do this via Garmin Connect? That would be a step back compared to the 610 and is a real nuisance when traveling.
There is no ‘time left to go’ field for interval training. OK, the watch has an additional screen showing this together with (instant?) pace. But on the 610 you could use a ‘time left to go’ field on any screen, along with heart rate, cadence or whatever. If I have workout made up of intervals of variable length (e.g. pyramids), it is much better to have a countdown than just lap time showing.
Not being able to transfer files to Training Peaks (other than connecting via USB) takes away a large part of the advantage of wireless transfer for me.
Please could we have the GPS accuracy field back?
It would great if these could be addressed in the next version of the watch’s firmware.
Thanks!
Yep, same here, the wireless connectivity worked for me once or twice. Since then, all I get is “Network error. Try again later.”
I cannot upload my runs (activities) from my 620 to my iphone. I have connected the 620 and my phone. Both have blue tooth activated. Garmin connect app is downloaded and shows that that my devices are connected. It will download from garmin connect to the phone app, but I have only been able to upload the activities from my watch my hardwire usb connection to my computer and manually uploading…frustrated….
Hi Ray,
according to your experience: do you think the Forerunner is more precise in distance measuring accuracy then the Forerunner 910XT?
I own the Forerunner 910XT but would like to buy the Forerunner 620 because of all the extra running possibilities it has. But everything start with accurate distance measuring…
Also, am I right when I say that on the Forerunner 620 there is no data field showing your gps accuracy? Can you see the GPS accuracy in the system settings (as you can with the 910XT)?
I would really appreciate an answer to these questions as they will determine if I will buy the Forerunner 620.
Lots of greetings from Belgium (the country to the north of France… :))
I do mean the Forerunner 620 vs Forerunner 910 XT
I have not owned the 910XT but I have owned the 305, 405, 210 and now 620. While the GPS acquisition time on the 620 is the quickest of them all by far it has the worst basic GPS accuracy of any since the old 305 I mentioned. Looking at map tracks you see slight drifts from actual paths even in wide open spaces and it more quickly loses your location in tree cover or around buildings vs the older 610/210 generation. There are on going threads about this on the garmin forums with head to head comparisons.
Bottom line? It isn’t wildly bad and works well most of the time but either the GPS chipset itself or firmware driving the accuracy has taken a step backwards. Hopefully firmware fixes can help because the premier running from Garmin should always be at least as good as last years model right?
The battery on my 620 died mid-run on Thanksgiving. All the data from that and the previous 8 days disappeared. Too bad I didn’t upload it…Good thing I write everything down.
Ray, any idea what’s up with that? Do I need to adjust a setting?
If you plug into your computer with USB cable and, assuming you see a directory for your 620 (probably will be called GARMIN), what can you see in the ACTIVITY folder?
I did some trail running with it this weekend. I had the 620 and my running mates had a 305 and 220. We ran about six miles but my watch recorded only 4.92 miles. I had it set to auto-pause but I’m a bit perplexed. The terrain was pretty steep and I suppose that the signal could have been lost.
However, my colleagues with their ‘lower end’ Garmins recorded almost exactly the same distance–about 6 miles.
Hmm…makes me wonder if the claimed superior GPS and signal collection is more accurate or better than other Garmins.
Did you have a footpod?
And did the total time match up with your friends? That would tell you if the problem was auto-pause. Auto-pause has always seemed problematic for running, especially with trees, buildings, or winding trails.
Also, I’m not sure there has been any claim of increased GPS accuracy. They have greatly increased how quickly it acquires satellites but I’m not sure the actual accuracy is supposed to be any better.
Did you compare GPS tracks with your friends? Some people seem to have noticed long drop outs in the middle of a run.
I think I’ll wait a bit longer before buying this watch. Nice new features, but when the GPS accuracy isn’t very good then the watch is pretty worthless…
Don’t reply on auto-pause, and don’t use a foot pod with the current firmware (v2.30) and the 620 is as accurate as the 610 – which is VERY accurate! I’ve been running side by side tests, up to a little over 23 miles, and the variation is never over 1/100 of a mile. On my 23.25 mile run, both the 610 and the 620 were dead on.
Rainmaker, I did not have a foot pod. I ran on a flat course the next day (with the same folks that I ran the trail with yesterda) and their ‘lower-end’ Garmins) and we had close to the same distance. So, I’ll continue to test but at 400+ this thing should do everything except cook my breakfast.
It seems that steep and hilly terrain may have something to do with it.
For fun you could try and just reset it (or, call support). I definitely haven’t seen that level of variance though in any of my runs.
On the official forerunner 620 forum there seem to be more and more people with GPS accuracy problems…
Does the 620 have elevation correction? Is yours turned on / not turned on versus the setting that your friends have? In my experience with the constant hills in Western PA with my old FR110 and currect FR610, turning on elevation correction solves the issue.
I’ve completed my first few runs with the FR620 and I’m extremely happy with it.
Only minor issue is that the live tracking reports miles, which really is minor as my family is “fluent” in both metric and statute measures. Might irritate others.
I’m not fussed about foot pod issues as I’m fortunate enough to be heading into the Southern Hemisphere summer.
I only had minor wifi connectivity issues after I upgraded firmware, but I removed and re-added the settings and haven’t had issue since.
Run happy.
On the tracking page, there’s a dropdown in the lower right corner that the person tracking can switch to Metric or Statute (or, even stones!). :)
Found it! I don’t know why, but was looking for some form of checkbox within the graphs screen. :-)
Ray, I have had the same problem with the 620 on the treadmill and am hoping that there is something in the software that would recalibrate itself with GPS data periodically so that it would more closely mimic road times on the treadmill. Not sure if that is built into the software or not. I found myself moving my arms more and artificially increasing my pace. If that doesn’t work I will go back to my foot pod from my 610 which was spot on with my pacing.
Rainmaker, have you or have you heard of issues with Garmin disconnecting from iPhone a few min after starting Livetrack?
No issues that I’ve seen disconnecting after starting Livetrack.
From what I’ve seen (myself, or others), is that it tends to be an all or nothing thing. Either it works, or folks can’t even get to that stage.
I suspect there’s some pattern there with why it fails for certain people, it’s just a matter of Garmin figuring out why certain people are having problems and others aren’t. Could be iOS version, device, etc…
I’m getting this as well on my live tracks. the watch connects and disconnects from the phone throughout my run.
Just ordered a 620 bundle through your Clever Training link. Glad I could help you out (even if it’s just a little). Your reviews cover so much info, and even the comments area is filled with a ton of good stuff. The interwebs appreciate it, sir.
I’m really impressed with Garmin on the 620 (and 220). They did so many small things that I just never thought they would implement. It is the perfect running watch for me.
Thanks for the support!
The last 2 runs that I’ve made have been on the treadmill. The accuracy of pace between what the treadmill says vs. my watch vary greatly. From reading eariler post I’m not too worried as I have only ran once outside, so the watch still needs to learn my pace. At least, that’s what I’m hoping for.
But my question Ray is this, after uploading the data from my 2 indoor runs, the date and time is (wrongly) based on greenwich time which is a day ahead of where I live. I live in Indiana. Is there a way to correct that?
I found the settings for the time Zones in garmin connect. Problem should be solved.
You may want to use Garmin Webupdater (it’s a tool you download) to see if there’s a Time Zone Map update for your watch, that should fix the issue.
Ray,
on the official 620 forum, I found the posting below.
Can you confirm or deny any of the information in the posting?
Would there be a different chipset in the present watches than in the early versions?
I am eager to buy a Forerunner 620, but not with all those accuracy problems…
POSTING:
I posted this in another thread but it is more applicable here:
DCRainmaker (Ray Maker) stated part of the reason the 620 had low quanities in the marketplace at first was due to a late change in the GPS chipset. Now I am not implying I know for sure but perhaps that means they went with a lower cost, less accurate part late in development.
In the past newer, more accurate chipsets often had faster and faster satellite acquisition times but now we add a new element (that Nike and TomTom long have had) which is that Garmin is putting a week long, world wide, database of satellite positions in the watch each and every time you sync so the fast acquisition of the 620 may have more to do with the database than an improved chipset.
1. No one has yet stated the exact model of the onboard GPS chipset, ie. SiRF IV etc.
2. No one has yet confirmed if this is GPS only or GPS/GLONASS but you have to assume it isn’t GLONASS because not only is accuracy not the greatest Garmin has included any features to turn off/on the GLONASS like in the Edge 510. I think we can be pretty sure it is GPS only.
3. It may not even be possible to improve accuracy of the GPS track beyond what exists today in software if the base chipset isn’t as good as for example the 610.
I am curious of the results if anyone has run with the 620 in tree cover, or even better with the 620 in tree cover WITH a older Garmin for comparison. While the track of my 620 isn’t “bad” in wide open spaces it is off enough vs. other GPS devices from Garmin in the past that I have little confidence on how the 620 will perform when I take to the trails. IMHO this unit has the worst on the run GPS accuracy since the Garmin 305 I had years ago… More recently my Garmin 405 and 210 and Nike Sportwatch+ were better than this. The Garmin Edge 510 (for bikes) is WAY better.
No, all production units have the same chipset. Beta units had different chipsets, which is why I waited until I had a final production chipset to write the review on.
Having been watching that thread, I wouldn’t make the assumptions noted there. In fact, I pulled up this morning a FR610 and a FR620 run from the same run, and the FR620 was notably better than the FR610 track (which was in some cases far off). Sure, there were two points I could see on the FR620 track where it wandered perhaps 10-20m off, but that’s over the course of 16 miles.
What I didn’t see in that thread was any indication the person rang up support, especially given the unit was showing all sorts of other funkiness (dropping GPS entirely, etc…).
Hi Ray,
unbelievable quick reaction :-)
I send an email to Garmin asking the same question. We’ll see what the answer is.
I hope they can fix any problem soon, I really want the 620…
Thx a lot
Tony (Belgium)
Thanks for the quick response Ray. I didn’t mean to imply that production units had different chipsets, only that a “late change” was made BEFORE production and the accuracy issues I am seeing make me wonder if whatever change they made was a regression in chipset, perhaps to save money.
The errors *I* am seeing are not ones that create a huge impact, but rather compared to my old Garmins performances dating back all the way to the Forerunner 305 (which seemed the same). The 405 seems to do a bit better than the 620 for me and that watch was released 5 years ago! To get an idea of the “errors” I am talking about the 405 and on would put me dead center a open, no tree bike path but on the 620 I often will see myself just off the path and drifting on and off from time to time. Likely adding very little % of error but just looking “off” compared to what I am used to. When near buildings or trees the error increases even more vs. my older watches (305/405/210/NikeSW+).
I wonder if perhaps this has something to do with not waiting long enough for the GPS lock to settle before starting my runs as there is no accuracy screen in feet/meters like older Garmin watches that I allowed to settle to a lower 30ft/10m accuracy even after they locked before I started running. Perhaps something as simple as waiting longer or Garmin helping out by adding back in such a screen could go a ways to correct these issues.
First world problems!
Hi Ray,
Thanks for a great review.
I,ve just bought a 620 and been around the same course 3 times. The first time my pace according to GC was fairly constant. The second time the pace according to GC was very erratic towards the end ranging from 6 to 16. As I had autolap set to 1 mile I decided to use average pace for current lap to try to smooth out the variation. On the third run I looked at the average pace for the lap and it was 9.55. A few yards later a mile point was reached and the pace for the lap was 10.28. A similar thing happened later. When I got home I uploaded to GC and the pace chart was like the alps. Although I feel I ran a fairly even pace one lap was over a minute faster than another. On the map I checked the lap points for the last 2 runs and there was a noticeable difference in lap positions. This may account for the difference in lap pace and average lap pace as some miles were longer than others. It is strange as the first run was OK. Has anyone else had problems like this?
As injured runner I cant comment on GPS accuracy, but situation looks worrisome. Main reason for me to buy 620 as first GPS watch was that Ray classified 620 as “most advanced running watch”. I knew I had to give in on HR metrics, compared with (my old) Suunto T6D and compared to my wife’s Ambit. Yes 620 gives Training Effect as single number (based on firstbeat algo), but what is missing in GC is how EPOC varies over time, and at which timepoint I arrives it’s peak. Also the VO2 estimation (function of time) and beat2beat (function of time), all available in Movescount. here 620 is lacking behind significantly.
Not to talk about missing navigation feature, and missing cycling mode. Hope Firmware updates will make 620 best buy after all.:)
The fast GPS reception of the 620 is a great achievement, especially here in Montreal with the cold weather coming in very early this year. But this quick reception is sometimes not accurate. I start my run in Downtown Montreal. I leave the building and 20 seconds later, I get my reception, great. The problem is the precision. I looked at my run yesterday, and it looks as if I started running on top of the buildings. This lasted for 1 km and at some point, it even looks like I made some circular zigzagging , while my watch was indicating a very slow pace.
What’s missing, or maybe it is there but I cannot find it, is the “Precision” data field. I was using it with my 610. Before running, I was waiting for the precision to be under 10m. The other trick I was using was to stop walking, and wait for the speed to be at 0 (or –:– actually) during around 30s. This would tell me that the precision is good. It would be common to see the speed change quite a bit during that waiting until it stops.
It seems that I will have to do the same with the 620. This is a general a GPS problem, not necessarily caused by the watch. It would just be great if there could be better indication of poor precision on the 620.
You could maybe try using the elevation field. Do you usually start your runs from the same place?
I start either from work or home as a rule, and I know the elevation of both places. If the elevation field is a long way off, then I know the lock isn’t that good yet. Can actually be a better guide than precision.
I have to experiment more but bottom line is I am seeing the lowest GPS accuracies of any watch they have released in more than 5 years on my 620. I can’t yet tell if it is a fundamental and unfixable regression of the chipset itself they picked for the 620 … OR… perhaps it is a side effect of the amazingly quick GPS acquisition times that is achieved by the 620 and its new database of weekly global satellite positions.
I too (and many other Garmin users I suspect) did what you did and waited additional time after our Garmin’s locked until the error in feet/meters settled down to between around 10m or 30ft from where the watch original locked which could be a 5 times greater level of error. I had found if I didn’t wait for this happen the overall accuracy of the watch would seldom improve much while I was moving over the course of an entire run.
With the 620 having no accuracy screen and with its lightening quick GPS fix reception I find myself “waiting a little bit” extra and then going off running but with no way of knowing exactly what the watch has pinpointed I suspect I am off and running sooner than with past watches.
Perhaps this has a lot to do with the accuracy issues I am having… I hope, because the alternative is pretty disappointing. I will wait longer and see what happens, and I hope Garmin considers adding back in an accuracy screen to allow us to “watch the watch” settle down in accuracy before starting our runs.
In all honesty, with all the GPS accuracy problems I am reading about in this forum and even more in the official Garmin Forerunner 620 forum, I find it unacceptable and misleading that Ray (who I really appreciate) chooses the Forerunner 620 as the best running watch available. I find this watch, with its current gps accuracy problems, a complete rip off!
For the couple that are having problems, especially David – have you called Garmin support and/or tried having the unit swapped out?
I say that because looking at the sheer volume of units shipped (given what I know, I’d guess we’re talking at least 10,000+ FR620’s at this point), if the problem were more widespread, I’d see a much higher volume of people (since, realistically, anyone with a problem goes to the Garmin Forums or here). I’m only seeing a few people, with overlap as well. If I look at accuracy of mine unit, it’s mind-boggling how precise it is. I just returned from doing 1-mile repeats. I’ve been doing them in the same spot the last month. On almost every single loop I start at the same point and it finishes (beeps) each mile in most cases on the same exact 1-meter concrete block.
Hence why anytime I see GPS accuracy issues, I really encourage (first, a full reset of the unit), and then second calling up support. This applies to Garmin, Polar, Timex, Suunto, you name it. There are always bad lemons. I’ve never seen a case where things solved themselves/got better through additional runs.
Claude – The challenge with your stopping test is it doesn’t account for filtering of data, which many GPS units do to reduce jumpiness of the pace stream.
Thanks Ray, I will call but out of curiosity now do you hit the road running the moment you have a lock or do you wait longer to let the watch settle down? Like you I am using this watch in different locations around the world on many runs that are thousands of miles apart so perhaps I need to give the watch a chance to settle to a better accuracy point before running but the watch just locks SO FAST (which is a good thing!)
Most of the time I have to wait a bit, generally because I’m waiting for some other device. Today I had to wait about 45-60 seconds after the FR620 found satellites, because the Adidas unit was taking its sweet time.
In the case of the FR620 today, it found satellite before I finished cross the street from my front door, so perhaps 10-15 seconds tops. The Adidas was roughly a minute.
see but as you know the Garmin definition of “lock” doesn’t mean it has reached it highest potential accuracy. i wonder if perhaps you waiting for the 58 devices you strap to your body on each run lets the 620 settle down and be more accurate then if you just walked out the door in a new country, turned the watch on and started running the second it showed “locked”…
i for sure am going to try to let the watch settle at least minute before i run and see if that makes a difference because it isn’t big errors i am seeing, just a general slight drift from accuracy vs. my older gamins (all of which in hindsight i let settle to a 30-50 ft error before i ran, which often took 30-60 seconds longer than just showing a satellite lock.)
thanks again… sometimes i admit i look for problems but there is something going on vs. older units…
I’m seeing similar accuracy issues moving from the 610 to the 620 and have suspected that it is a side effect of the super fast acquisition. On runs where I spend extra time doing dynamic stretching outside (an extra couple minutes after acquisition) I see much better accuracy. If I start running soon after acquisition then things are way off. Ray – this may be something to add to your GPS accuracy testing – i.e. how accurate is each watch from the point it says it’s ready to go – that will be the experienced accuracy by many consumers, at least for the first few miles of their runs.
Overall I’m still happy with the watch and see this as something that will hopefully be worked out with updated firmware (maybe just an accuracy field as others suggest). I do think it’s unfortunate that there are two fairly significant issues (footpod issues, which Garmin has acknowledged, and this accuracy issue), but it hasn’t made me go back to my 610.
Ray, about your reply:
Claude – The challenge with your stopping test is it doesn’t account for filtering of data, which many GPS units do to reduce jumpiness of the pace stream.
I did not mean that I stop after having started my run. I meant that when turning on my watch, I stop walking and wait for a better accuracy. If I kept walking (or started running) when it just got reception, it may take up to over 1km to gradually become precise. Here is an example of yesterday’s run: link to connect.garmin.com. The first 1.5 km is off the street.
This, to me, seems to be the exact same behaviour on both the 610 and the 620. The 620 is just faster for the initial reception.
Also, note that this is in downtown, surrounded by big buildings. My main point, is that I used to appreciate the “precision” field (or was it “Accurracy” in english?) on the 610. I’ll have to find an alternative on the 620. I’ll try the elevation field, as suggested by Dom.
Dave, I agree with your observation:
I’m seeing similar accuracy issues moving from the 610 to the 620 and have suspected that it is a side effect of the super fast acquisition. On runs where I spend extra time doing dynamic stretching outside (an extra couple minutes after acquisition) I see much better accuracy. If I start running soon after acquisition then things are way off.
I can’t agree. I also own Garmin Edge 510 which is even faster with GPS fix and there are no issues with accuracy at all. And from the principle how GPS works, the initial accuracy may have influence on the first few second of the run, but not after minutes or even an hour.
The GPS position is not just shifted towards one direction, but moves in all directions during a run. Because my watches have already lost GPS fix completely for 2mins in one run in open area with only few trees around, I assume that the problem must be with poor GPS chip sensitivity. Poor sensitivity means that only low number of satellites are “visible” and used for position acquisition, which results in very low accuracy.
Radim: I also have the Edge 510 but that is a fundamentally different chipset then what they are putting in the watches. It has GPS & GLONASS (the only Garmin Edge that does) which seems to go a LONG way to improving accuracy in difficult tree and building coverage (perhaps because it has access to so many more satellites to determine position) and likely uses more battery power (as there is a setting to “save” battery by turning off GLONASS) but being a bigger physical unit than a watch they can put in a larger battery to compensate. I am almost certain the 620 uses a lower power, GPS only chipset.
Got my 620 two 2 days ago: Wifi, Iphone connection and live tracking tested with no issues. GPS syncs really fast and accuracy like the 610. I am really happy with it till now. For curiosity, this was the recovery advised time:
First run, 3.3 miles: 54 Hours
Second run 3.3 miles: 3 days!!
Auch!, I know I am a bit out of shape ;-).
As an updated data point for those ordering the black/blue 620 bundle from Clever Training, I ordered yesterday evening and called today to see what their expected ship date was. I was told late next week or early the week after as their ship date.
Hi All-
Just wanted to briefly catchup on a few things post-call with Garmin this evening:
1) GLONASS: No, neither the FR620 nor the FR220 contains GLONASS.
2) Cycling Mode: This isn’t on the short-term release radar, but it isn’t ruled out either. It’s being looked at still for potential inclusion.
3) ANT+ Weight Scales: Like previously, this isn’t on any radar right now to add in. That hasn’t changed in the past few months. They simply haven’t seen much demand from customers for it (remember, demand is generally measured in official support requests, and to a lesser degree, social media).
4) Navigation support (Find-back style like the FR610): This isn’t on the short-term radar, but also isn’t ruled out either. In other words, no change since earlier this fall.
5) Accuracy Data Field: This was being bantered about being added in. I raised some of the points a few of you made here, and they’ll huddle a bit more on the topic.
6) Accuracy issues: They weren’t aware of any accuracy issues that had been bubbled up at that level. They’ll do some digging around the quick reception vs satellite accuracy combined with waiting concepts noted above.
7) Footpod overwriting GPS: They were going to circle back on this one to me.
Hope this helps,
Ray
Thanks for the update Ray.
What is the most effective way for a user to communicate to Garmin a STRONG desire for them to add (back) the following:
1) a cycling mode,
2) basic navigation (like the 610), and
3) the GPS accuracy field?
Thanks again.
Thanks again Ray.
It’s only a single data point but my run today I waited a full minute after getting the GPS lock before running a common 5.0 mile loop I do at home. In the past couple of times doing this I saw quite a bit of “drift” of track vs. older Garmin watches and the distance would come up .1-.2 short or sometimes long of what I normally expect having run this loop hundreds of times with other Garmin watches. Today it was dead on and the track looks better (although weirdly not a perfect overlay of the satelite images of the paths I run like other Garmin’s have done) but rather like a 15 foot offset, but consistent.
I think there is something to the whole issue of “get a lock and start running immediately” being the cause of some of the inaccuracies we are seeing and may not commonly impact you since you seldom run without numerous devices leaving you plenty of time to get a more pinpoint location prior to running.
Now if only my rock solid Wi-Fi sync/upload for the last two weeks suddenly stopped working… Sigh.
Hi Chris (and others)-
Your two best options are e-mailing social.support@garmin.com, and then opening up a support ticket about lack of functionality. While channels like Twitter and Facebook (and random other places) are always noticed, they’re much harder to quantify than e-mails and support tickets.
So there is a lot that isn’t on the short term list. Can you comment on what IS on the short term list? And what time frame is considered short term?
The discussion around the 620 didn’t cover anything else beyond what’s noted above. They are going to dive into the items noted though that weren’t for later on.
Emailed ‘social.support@garmin.com’ and was directed to ‘http://www8.garmin.com/contactUs/ideas/’ for additional features requests.
{{Cycling Features ++}}
Hi All-
Just an update for those who’ve ordered from Clever Training (this is in addition to any updates you’ll receive on Friday). Plus, any shipping notifications. A massive number of units went out today. If you ordered a while ago, and don’t receive a shipping notification today (check your junk mail), you may want to double-check the order status online (or call).
FR620’s:
Blue/Black Non-Bundle: All orders are caught up, stock available for immediate shipment
Blue/Black HR Bundle: Almost all orders are caught up, with the rest expected to catch up with next week’s arrival
Orange/White Non-Bundle: Units in stock.
Orange/White Bundle: They fulfilled all back orders up to this weekend, and was in-stock for a while. It’s now out of stock, with no new units expected till later this month (things could change of course, and likely will).
FR220’s:
Red/Black Non-Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Red/Black Bundle: All caught up, a handful of units in stock for new orders
Purple/White Non-Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Purple/White Bundle: Looking like mid-December for any new orders (existing orders sooner of course).
Thanks for the support, I appreciate it! And again, if you have any troubles with orders, please don’t hesitate to use the Contact Me link at the top of the page and I’ll be happy to quickly get it sorted out.
Thanks!
-Ray
Thanks Ray!
Quick postive feedback – CT shipped my Black/Blue HR bundle earlier today (ordered end of October); was always kept in the loop with info and it all happened as announced, so quite happy with the whole experience. And Ray’s additional updates helped, too :-)
Thanks for the info. I ordered the Black/Blue HRM bundle from CT through Amazon on Tuesday. They said Thursday or Friday for shipping, and got a little worried given what I’ve heard. If it doesn’t ship tomorrow, I have my name in with a local running store and may pick it up there and cancel and/or return the order if they get it in stock.
Ordered mine on 11/10 and it shipped on 12/04. Now there’s another 10 days of waiting for the parcel to make it to France !
Thanks anyways Ray for your updates, that’s super kind of you.
I bought a FR620 (CT) early November and was shipped 12/4, pretty good timing from my stand point as I’ll be standing on US soil next thursday for about 5 days, due to professional obligations…
Thanks Ray for the discount and hope it helps to support your site and all the personal time you spend doing this (and on us).
Cheers.
German
@Buenos Aires, Argentina
Due to an injury, I can’t run and really test out my new 620. I’ve been using it as an HRM inside on the bike and elliptical. But seeing all the accuracy concerns, i was worried so I did a ‘crude’ test today.
On my way to Physical Therapy, i used it in the car. Saved the ‘run’ and then checked it on Garmin Connect. The map was very accurate. I did wait about a minute after it acquired GPS. (i’ve since deleted the ‘run’ as I set all kinds of records ;) )
Ordered the Blue Black Bundle 620 on novembrer 14th. Got the shipping e-mail 15 minutes ago.
I just got my FR620 (thanks Clever Training). I must say the screen does not have the nice contrast depicted in this review. It’s very hard to see. I’ll probably be draining the battery all the time due to using the backlight. And there’s no contrast setting like my 310XT. Overall I still am on the fence about keeping it. It’s been dreadfully dark and foggy since I got it so maybe I need to wait for some brighter weather to test out the screen.
I’m glad i’m not the only one, thought it was just me or just the lighting i was in.
In my experience having the back light on all the time is fine – well unless you want to run for hours and hours. In the dark or bad light I tend to have the light on all the time. Generally having GPS on eats battery somewhat quicker than the light.
I guess another issue coming from a 310 is that this has a lot bigger screen.
I have setup a few screens with just 2 key fields on them and that helps to “see” what you really want more easily.
Here’s an original question guys & gals: Can the 620 (or even 220) be used as a daily activity tracker similar to the Loop, etc.? I know not to the extent as a focused activity tracker, but at least as a decent substitute? I’m really intrigued by the Loop, but find it would be too limiting for my real intention when (finally) buying a watch: running!
Thanks in advance…
BZ
No, unfortunately not.
Ray, thanks for the update on your call with Garmin. Maybe it is just me, but I really miss the countdown (time until end of interval) data field for interval workouts that exists on the 610, and the ability to edit workouts on the watch.
Rainmaker, I searched through but couldn’t find any more specific info on how the internal accelerometer is calibrated. Does it take your latest outdoor run and use that provided it is longer than a certain distance? Does it average all of your outdoor runs and just keep adding to the data pool for correlation between arm swing and pace? I am primarily a runner, but go for occasional bike rides. Last night I took one of those occasional bike rides and strapped the 620 to my handlebars and it got me thinking about what effect that might have on the accelerometer calibration.
How will going at the faster pace of a bike with no arm swing affect the calibration? The rest of the “issues” with no cycling mode are able to be overcome (for someone like me who is just an occasional rider) by your tips in the review for clearing PRs and changing the activity on Garmin Connect. Do you have any insight?
OK, I’ve done four runs with the watch. 3 recovery runs and 1 tempo interval run 5x(5minT + 1minRest). Things I’ve noticed.
1. The watch measures courses shorter by about 0.6-0.8% compared with my 305. Looking at the GPS tracks on Google Maps, I notice the GPS tracking has a tendency to cut corners around turns. Probably where the distance difference lies. If you do an accuracy test, try to include some 90 degree or higher turns.
2. The Vo2Max calculation is a tad optimistic I believe. I put what I believe are current RHR and MHR (49, 180). My Vo2Max after my first run was 52. After this mornings run, 56. I went to be able to run a 19:59 5k to a 18:26 5k (3:11 to 2:56 marathon). All with runs of 5.21, 6.98, 9.94, 5.2
3. I haven’t had really any problems with WiFi. Though on my 2nd run, I forgot I had to press the Connect button on the watch. Worked fine for the 3rd/4th button.
4. I did manage to create a workout online in Garmin Connect and upload to my watch using my phone bluetooth.
5. I wear the watch as a regular watch. It is very light and comfortable.
6. I have no idea how valuable the additional metrics are, but they are interesting especially when running recovery pace versus tempo pace.
7. I just today started to get chafing from the HRM-Run. Just noticed it when I got in the shower.
Hopefully, the 620 doesn’t start to degrade in GPS quality. I was one of the initial 610 guinea pigs, and one of the initial people who found the GPS software bug in that watch which was eventually fixed but it pissed me off for months so I returned the watch.
What are your current PR times? My current vo2max is 56 as well, however, I don’t find the predicted times unrealistic. I haven’t raced a 5K since my 19:18 back in may, but based on my recent training, i’m in 18:30 shape.
Keep in mind that VO2Max is purely looking at aerobic capacity, and doesn’t factor in whether or not you’ve actually trained properly for said event (just like VO2Max tests done on a treadmill/etc…).
Oh I definitely understand that it’s a measure of aerobic capacity (or something) and that you do actually have to train of these races, I just thought it interesting that my vo2Max could change from 52 to 56 from Tuesday to Friday. I was fully expecting it to level off today or go down.
My PR’s are from too long ago (2011), but are a tad faster than Vo2Max=56. It also looks like the race predicition values line up with Daniels’ VDOT chart which I believe also uses vo2Max. The VDOT however does not line up with the Vo2Max value. I think I would have trouble breaking 19:30 in a 5k right now….
It’s based off of every run so it can change. I raced last weekend and this week have taken it easy. My vo2max has “gone down” to 54 as a result of my recovery phase.
For those having problems with accuracy of the GPS, is your data recording set to “smart” or “every second”? Also what exeactly is a “hard” reset? Is it simple turning the watch completely off and back on again? I’m getting my 620 from CT today and will be checking the new 620 with my 610.
The watches that are being sold now are NOT beta versions……Correct?
No FR220 or FR620’s were sold as beta.
How do you get to the Virtual Pacer menu? I can’t seem to find it.
Settings > Activity Settings > Data Screens > Virtual Partner > On
Once you enable it, it’s enabled for all subsequent runs. You can change the pace from within the run screen (meaning, you don’t have to dig back into settings).