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Zip ties?!?!?! EPIC FAIL!!!
Zip Tie and it currently only attaches to the most expensive crank from a major suppler and is the most expensive power meter. Super duper youtube worthy epic fail. Should go put one on my Aston One-77 bike while I’m at it.
Looks like a calibration nightmare – it’s going to drift all the time with that set up, let alone the need to take it to an LBS to set up in the first place. One of the big attractions of, say, the Garmin Vector (should it ever make it to market) and not e.g. Power2Max is that it is self calibrating. And why the sudden focus on L/R power? We don’t need that sophistication yet; anyone who produces a sub-$1000 dollar, reliable, powermeter is gonna make a killing.
A fundamental question was not answered or even addressed: How does it work? I imagine the pods attached to the crank arms have (VERY accurate) accelerometers which measure the bending of the crank arms under torque.
However, considering that the system has to be calibrated with a standard weight (20 kg), why on earth would the power meter be specific to Dura Ace cranks?
Actually IPX7 is better than IPX6 and X5. The higher number the higher class and protection. IPx7 will do everything that IPX6 does plus also survive immersion. The first digit after IP refers to protection against solid objects like sand or dust. The second digit refers to water protection.
So in this case it’s a expensive, ugly and less protected power meter that only fit one type of crank. Wow. :)
It’s also for a generation of Dura-Ace which is soon to be replaced by the new 9000 series…
freddan: Nopes, you got it wrong, IPX5 and IPX6 offer protection that IPX7 doesn’t, and vice versa.
link to ce-mag.com
Regarding IPX7/IPX8:
“Compliance with either of these tests does not imply compliance with IPX5 or IPX6 unless the product is marked with both ratings (for example, “IPX5/IPX7”).”
This is actually quite clever although the pricing and execution needs much work.
The cementing of the strain gauges to the crank arms is brilliant and means that one is not bound to a specific manufacturer as you don’t need to accurately know the properties of the crank since you control the two component halves of the strain gauge. This is very similar to a method/system I have used to measure strain on helicopter rotor blades (I used to work as a helicopter engineer). The cable ties are for security of the battery cover and protecting your investment in case of cement failure.
Because of the specialist knowledge required to install this correctly I’m not sure this would take off even if the price was greatly reduced, which is a pity because as I’ve said it’s a great idea.
Having waited patiently for Pioneer to come to market with their power meter for some 2 years or so, i’m left disappointed beyond comprehension by this production “effort” of theirs.
shimano only
pricing
cable ties
glue (to an extent – although this could point towards an excellent solution)
& as anon says – an elegant solution for <$1000 is the one that will storm the market!
Anyone whos anyone will know enough that the amount of work and tecnolgy that went into this product will no that it is a decent price. I’ll stand by pionner in saying that this is an amazing product but i also agree with brian with the first comment they do need to think about a better way of mounting the pods and crank arm to the bike. A new product will always have its problems but what I have learned rom pionner over the ears of having most of thier products is that if something is wrong, they fix it and enhance the procut even more.
Your wrong with your IP comments, Freddan is correct.
I work in the electrical industry and if its IP X8 then its the best you can get, that should take submersion and water jets.
IPX5 or X6 will take various blasts but not the submersion element.
So its actually go pretty poor sealing really.
Can you point me to some documentation that states that IPX7 INCLUDES the IPX5 components? I agree that IPX5 doesn’t include submersion, but everything I’ve read states that they aren’t cumulative. Meaning that IPX7 includes submersion, but not anything up to that point. Whereas IP7 would (the X designates non-inclusion of other certifying elements).
Again, happy to be wrong here – just looking for clarifying documentation.
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You’ve probably seen this: link to en.wikipedia.org (disclaimer included)
It would seem that the numbers are cumulative, 7 is better than a 5, 8 would be even better.
Best rating is IP68, where first number indicates particulate intrusion, second number indicates waterproof level. It’s surprising that the particulate level is blank when the stated waterproof rating is a 5. It would be hard to imagine it not being dust tight (6).
Aparently water tests 5 & 6 are not cumulative through 7 & 8.
link to ce-mag.com
Compliance with either of these tests (IPX7 or IPX8 tests) does not imply compliance with IPX5 or IPX6 unless the product is marked with both ratings (for example, “IPX5/IPX7”).
I do not get the point. Why should anyone buy this device? No advantage over any other device at all!
Have you tested the new design yet and is it as good as the Quarq, powertap, rotor, or SRM?
I actually just picked up the 2nd generation variant on Monday (I’d been testing the 1st gen version seen above). I find that the power meter itself is actually fairly good, but the head unit is a bit overpriced in my opinion.
Does that mean there might be a review in the works for the 2nd Gen version? Curious to hear your thoughts on it as it seems like they’ve managed to make some significant headway with their improvements. Thanks !!
link to slowtwitch.com
Pioneer just announced they have dropped the price of the unit to $999. Any idea if this drop will trickle up to the Ultegra or DA pre-built cranksets?
link to bikerumor.com