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While reading the first parts of this blog I was wondering just how accurite the Bod Pod is? I have only ever had my ‘fat’ measured with calipers (or is that not very good) and how about weighing with a balance scale?
Great, great post!!! I passed my statistics class with a D, so I am glad I can understand the results better. Thank you for cooperating on this guys! :-)
Very cool post! I’m a physicist so probably that’s why I found it cool :-). The scales are quite accurate when it comes down to relative measurement. I mean if you jump on and off repeatedly you don’t see much change. Which is great because you can track the trend over some months.
I enjoyed reading this guest post even though I’m a lawyer (and all that implies regarding my math skills). It would be interesting to see these scales compared to the gold standard.
Thanks.
Richard
Ray, please consider a test to compare the DEXA test, the BIA scales, and the caliper method. Thanks.
Hi Ray !!!
You will not give up..you will just not give up on this BF Scale that does not work.
After all this, you now bring in a “stat” maverick to try and jumble the numbers around.
In the end, the “stat” maverick has the nerve to suggest that the BodPod
probably doesn’t work either.
Insanity.
Please pull the product, apologize…and lets move on.
Ok..I know, I know …just pull the product.
Thanks
Haha, well then the question is “What am I doing wrong???” I have adopted a routine of waking up, hitting the can, and jumping on my impedance scale in the morning. It’s entirely common for the scale to say 14% one day and 9% the next day.
I really am hoping for a ‘Bod Pod & Consumer Scale Comparison Tests: Part IV – NASA proves BF Scales are Dead On Balls Accurate’
I want to read about a person whose head explodes so we can find out who our troll is.
I have a pretty old Tanita and while it might not be DOBA (an industry term), it definitely shows which way I’m trending. Great article, as always.
I love this quote from the “stat” maverick….”…I like this product because it is consistently inaccurate, I just need to remember how much it is actually inaccurate and then it will be consistent”.
Ray, fire the “stat” maverick…then pull the product (please !).
Ray,
Please ban the troublemaker “MakemydayRay”. Thanks.
The best part of the MakemydayRay postings are that he does not realize that his arguments are so weak. Do you know what else is consistently inaccurate yet very precise?? The thermostat in your house. It is incidental that 72 degrees may actually be 74 as long as you recognize that it is to hot or cold then you adjust accordingly using a very precisely collaborated device… the thermostat. Likewise it does not matter if the BF scale is off your actual as long as it is consistently off and measures progress up or down with precision.
Shocking that you devote so much time to refuting something that you really don’t understand. Time to get a new hobby dude.
Hi Folks,
Thanks very much the emails of support. To those of you who plunked down $159 for the recommended scale, I am sorry there is nothing I can do.
Many of you have asked me for my opinion, here it is—-
List most accurate Bodyfat devices:
#1 DEXA – hospital xray–cost $300+
#2 Hydrostatic/underwater—university –cost $35+
#3 Lange Caliper–$200
#4 Accumeasure Caliper—$20
list reason why Body Fat is important. “..It’s important to get an accurate reading because it can show unwanted Muscle loss..this can reflect over training, poor nutrition or serious illness”.
My recommendation would be Underwater testing at your closest university.
Thanks folks !
Hi folks. Here is a different recommendation.
I have been tested with DEXA, Bodpod, and several BIA scales. DEXA is too expensive, and Bodpod requires you to go into the lab.
If you just want to see the trend of your body fat and muscle mass, get a BIA scale. Of course it is not accurate. But it is consistent. Whether you want to spend the money on a scale that will sync your data to various sources that is your choice.
Happy day Ray! :)
How do we know any of these devices are consistent? Nowhere in all three articles do I see anything about testing consistency.
We do tend to see them as consistent. We did some tests in turning them on/off with testing the sample weight in between, as well as people standing on and then back off and back on again – and registering the same.
This doesn’t mean the scales will be consistent over time as your muscle mass, water and fat changes.
Love the blog, the explanation on how BIA works and the statistic goes nicely together.
IK
This was a very interesting series, especially the statistical analysis. I can certainly agree with the punch line: Find a precise body fat scale (even if not particularly accurate), and use it to track trends over time. While it’s probably not an issue for the people reading this site, for the general population reducing body fat is far more important that losing weight. An accurate reading will require a trip to the doctor who has bought the $10,000+ device for body composition.
Incidentally, the Gold Standard for estimating fat mass/fat-free mass is neither the Bod Pod (i.e, air displacement plethysmography) nor DEXA. The Gold Standard is the Four-Compartment Model. (Current Status of Body Composition Assessment in Sport. Sports Med 2012; 42(3): 227-249) While both the Bod Pod and DEXA are part of the model, the Bod Pod is used only for total body volume and the DEXA only for calculating bone mineral content. Neither is the Gold Standard for fat mass/fat-free mass.
You tested these with athletes, but what about those of us who are trying to lose weight from morbidly obese to just “healthy”? I have lost 100lbs, but am trying to get into a healthy fat % range of 25-30% rather than being a competitive athlete. I want to see about how far off I am now, but have been told that different measurement systems can be more inaccurate for those who are obese. Can you speak to that? Using my home BIA scale, my BF% has gone from ~50% to ~37.5% with this weight loss. Is this likely to be 5% off? 3%? 10%?
I didn’t test with folks in that range unfortunately. When I did it, I basically just rounded up a bunch of friends and a few other folks I knew. Sorry!
With the new wave of wearables and scales hitting the market, have you ever thought of repeating the experiment with lessons learned?
It’s something I’d like to do again down the road, though, at the moment just haven’t had the time for it.