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Thanks for the first good and solid analytical piece about this. There is a lot here that I agree with as an 18-34AGer hoping to BQ soon.
I am curious how realistic it is to expect an entry at T-5 or even the end of T-10. I am not sure how many more T-20 entrants will register as the race is becoming more elite, and how many more will pull the trigger at more uncertainty.
I understand the aim here but don’t necessarily agree that this is more equitable than having an event sell out too quickly.
good analysis. I think the changes are good even though the qualification time I had from the time I ran it wouldn’t cut it now (but it was my run split from an Ironman). With more people running there is a bigger pool of people who are competitive and ‘elite’. Times that used to win local races don’t anymore. I used to joke that I didn’t want anyone else to start running because they might beat me. That’s what happens when people start taking sports more serious than they did before. With more and more people hiring coaches, using training plans etc, the field is bound to get faster and it should make qualifying mean even more to those right on the cusp.
Not to split hairs but the standards have been increased by 6 minutes (5:59). Notice the asterisk on the baa announcement –
*Unlike previous years, an additional 59 seconds will NOT be accepted for each age group time standard
I’m not sure if the BAA made it clear or not, but for runners who are 20+ minutes under their required qualification time, are they allowed to continue registering once the 10+ and 5+ can register?
Looks like my hopes of a BQ have been made even harder. 3:05 won’t cut it. Gonna have to go for 2:55 or better, which for me is likely out of reach.
Ray – really wish the BAA would have contacted you to do the original press release (-:
Thank you for breaking it all down in a clear and concise manor!
Ray once again I agree completely with all points! And as A M18-34 who just qualified a few weeks ago with a time 1:16 seconds under the previous “BQ Qualifying Time” I am pretty bummed by the new registration system. It sounds like the race will be even more skewed towards the age groups that already have it a bit proportionally easier than others.
One thing that would be great to see is that actual breakdown of ages that run in Boston, over 50 is only around 15% of those running marathons so their impact is really very little. Also, average times are a bit misleading to judge where cutoffs should be. A median value for races may be a better visualization so people can get a sense of how many less people will be available to sign up at T-20, T-10, etc. or even how many people will get cut by the 5 minute cut in times.
While I agree with a lot of your reasoning, a race you “qualify” for should be something out of reach for much of the racing world. Its heartbreaking that some people will never get to run in that race, but I may never get to race in Kona. Simply getting in because you were faster on the internet doesn’t sound like an achievement.
As a 27 year old male and new runner long distance runner, I feel like I get the most screwed. I thought 3:10 was a lofty goal, but to cut 5 minutes off and need to finish sub 10 from that to have chance at getting a spot may just become impossible.
Saddly, before this Boston seemed obtainable unlike say the Olympics; now for my genetics they are about the same.
Maybe if I wait until I am 50 I can get it.
Unless I missed it Ray, you didn’t mention in your analysis that the 5 minute across the board time reduction doesn’t kick in until the 2013 race. At least that’s the way I’m interpreting this.
“For the 2013 Boston Marathon, in addition to the new “rolling admission” process for registration which will be in effect for the 2012 Boston Marathon, the B.A.A. will adjust the qualifying times by lowering them by five minutes from the times which have been in effect in recent past years.”
great analysis here. i was kind of hoping for a more drastic cut for my AG, as well as women in general.
as far as the registration time goes, wasn’t it in september in 2009? i vaguely remember registering for boston 2010 in september…
Great analysis on the BAA’s changes! I’ve been reading your blog since a friend forwarded me a link on your Boston Marathon sellout back in Oct.
I’m in the 18-34 age group so am very affected by this chage. Qualified for the first time in Nov. 2010 with a 3:08 and now face the (very) realistic possibility that my qualifying time will not allow me to run the race I’ve been dreaming of for two years in a row.
This is worst news for younger runners. It is much harder to cut 15 minutes off a 3:10 time than off a 3:45 time, for example. Since the decreases aren’t proportional, but are just fixed minute amounts, the cuts will only increase the bias toward older, female runners. I guess they must buy more merchandise?
(Even proportional decreases would not really be fair; the faster you are going the harder it is to run a further 10% faster, for example.)
The change in the registration time is clearly a shot against their competitors, to try to marginalize the fall marathons. There is no other reason to move it before these marathons.
Great breakdown. I am not a natural athlete, but still had a dream that a BQ was within reach if I really worked hard enough. Now I doubt that goal and it’s very sad.
It takes all kinds, but Boston only takes the best kinds…
Good job. A couple of other things. I think the overall quality of runners is getting worst. I’ve been running Boston for 24 consecutive years. When I started you had to run a 2:50 to qualify. Didn’t matter how old you were or your gender. Now a days I can qualify with a 3:35, what’s up with that? I’m still running right around 3 hours so I will get that day 1 entry and being a streaker means I really don’t even have to worry about it. But come on 3:35!!!
As far as gender equality. The BAA wants a 50/50 split, but look at any marathon out there and you will see more like a 65/35 split. The BAA is just way to PC. I do know one thing, just follow the trail of money. They want as many of us older runners in the race because we have more disposable income. That’s how they keep the city of Boston happy. We spend money when we get to town. And the older we get the more money we have to spend. But in contrast the BAA only recognizes the over 40 age group as a whole.
Good break down of all the details.
Bad news for me. I think I have to resign to the fact that I will never qualify for this race no matter how hard I train for a BQ time. I thought that possibly, just possibly that I could work hard (and forget the whole swimming and biking thing) and take 26 minutes off my marathon time. Now I have to take 31 minutes off of my marathon time???
I just don’t see that EVER happening.
I’m confused about one thing – you say: “Assuming for a moment that there are any slots leftover after the T-5 folks register – those slots will go to the general admission stage for people who qualified with under five minutes to spare (a lot of folks, by the way). Entry will be held open for five days, at which point the fastest runners of that group will be given acceptance notice.”
However the BAA website states: “If the field is not filled at the conclusion of the two weeks, then registration will remain open and qualifiers will be accepted on a first come, first served basis until the maximum field size is reached.”
To me, this means that qualification time will not be a factor during this last period of registration, but you seemed to indicate that the faster runners of that group would be “in”.
Am I misunderstanding something?
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Greta post – thanks!
Never mind! I misread the BAA… now I’ve got it. The first come first served is only after T-5 qualifiers have had their chance to register. (as if there will be any spots left then – HA!)
Sorry about that!
Great post and analysis! Where did you get the data? I see you gave credit to MarathonGuide.com but I don’t know how to get the data from the site. I am interested in knowing how many marathons it took Boston runners to qualify for the race. A quick search did give me the answer. Any idea?