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I was all excited when I saw a new post hoping for a Whoop 4.0, Oura Review, or a new Garmin device.
Seriously though, it is looking like AMOLED is making real in roads with the sports watches that maybe we will see a Garmin Fenix or Forerunner watch with AMOLED in I guess 2022.
The month is still young(ish).
Battery life here is staggering.
If an AMOLED fenix with even 10+ days of battery is possible, expect a whooole lot of “take my money”.
I hope your not teasing me with 9 days left in the month!!!
Fenix 7?
Or will the Fenix 6 first go on Black Friday sales and then the Fenix 7 will be announced?
They are a tad late compared to their release cycle.
I hope your Oura 3 review comes soon. I am very curious if its any better then whoop 4.0. Interestingly, it seems the Oura ring is coming in more expensive than whoop based on an 18 month subscription with easy to find 15% promo codes.
The review probably won’t be for a bit, but first impressions of Oura 3 probably later today.
When does October end in the Netherlands? ;-)
I’m certainly curious for a full review, but I suppose it’s too much to hope that it’s a true Apple Watch replacement, even for a casual user.
Having that battery life in a relatively full-featured smart-watch would be a killer feature for me. Unfortunately with Apple Health I’m starting to feel locked into that ecosystem.
It won’t be a true apple watch replacement as App won’t let it reply to SMS and action notifications the way they allow their own watch.
I’m still curious how Apple has been allowed to block basic functionality like that from companies including Garmin.
They have shown it’s possible with their own watch, however block all other brands, that hardly fosters competition.
Antitrust/Competition law is complicated, but there’s generally no duty to deal with one’s competitors. One’s actions are more circumscribed if one has power in a particular market. If you have power in the handset market, for instance, then you aren’t supposed to “tie” your product to other products in a market that’s more competitive, as that allows you to leverage market power in one market into another. The SMS restriction, however, isn’t a rigid tie. You can still use non-Apple wearables with iPhones. In the U.S., the SMS restriction would be analyzed under the “rule of reason,” which involves balancing pro and anticompetitive impacts of a restriction. Apple would (correctly) point out that having complete control over all hardware and software connected to its systems allows it to have a reliable and seamless user experience that consumers REALLY value. (Versions of this argument are familiar in the annals of competition law.) Apple would almost certainly win, particularly in light of its relatively limited market share (compared to companies in other industries that historically have had far more market power) and consumer research regarding why people choose Apple.
As long as Huawei Health app still doesn’t allow to export workouts to any other platform, nor even a gpx or fit file, their watch comes pretty much dead in the fitness enthusiast realm.
Came here to say this. They actually make really nice hardware (I had the GT2) but with no export to other health platforms it’s dead in the water.
(I believe it’s possible to bodge an export on Android but that shouldn’t be necessary).
I don’t believe this is any longer true on Harmony OS 2, which this runs straight out of the box on this watch, and some older wearables will upgrade to.
What I want to know is whether Strava will be making a Harmony OS app … there are already over 100M devices running it, which is likely to double within less than another year. So there’s a compelling market for it. But whether they will is open to question; I couldn’t get a straight answer out of them after contacting them.
There’s a script by an user that udoes it, extracting the workout file and converting it to gpx.
Which shows its perfectly possible, but Huawei doesn’t care about
Good to know Eduardo. Yeah, if I can’t export data easily, that’s gonna grind a review to a halt pretty quick (both on logistical reasons, but also principals). I’ve long said I don’t support islanded data scenarios.
I use the Hitrava script, it works well. Unfortunately, there is not much thanks in the recorded data.
Compared to my Polar Vantage measurements, the GNSS track was too nice:
the GNSS track on my GT2e is interpolated and it only has HR sample rate every 5 seconds.
It’s too bad because FirstBeat is supported on it and the hardware quality is light years ahead of Garmin.
Agree. The data belongs to the user, not the manufacturer. I understand they don’t have 3rd party integrations of any kind, but let me export the file and deal with it however I want.
Saying Huawei solded 100m+ devices so it is an interesting market for Strava might not add like you think
Most of those 100m devices is soled in China and I don’t know how blocked Strava is in China. It might just be not that interesting for Strava.
I’d be surprised if Strava supports it.
The thing is that most of those 100m units are either in a landfill, or in China. Neither of which are strong Strava customer markets.
That’s somewhat the problem with bundled wearables (similar to what Samsung has done for years, pre-Wear OS 4). Strava can see the numbers, and knows that the vast majority of people that get a free wearable with their phone don’t end up using it. And further, don’t end up on Strava. That’s compounded umpteen times over when we’re talking a device that has territorial challenges in the US market.
Now available (at least for Android) is an third party app called “Health Sync” that can upload activities/steps/sleep/HR/weight/oxygen/etc from the Huawei Health app to Strava and Google Fit.
I have been using it for ~2 months now and it works really well uploading data to Strava.
The Health Sync app will copy data from many sources (including Huawei) to many destinations – see:
link to appyhapps.nl
I bought recently a Huawei GT2e after several Garmins and Suunto. Latest was Fenix 5 and was a bit tired of the size (small wrists). The watch is pretty good for the price (129€). Screen and battery life are really amazing.
Ray, any plans on a Christmas event this year? :)
Unfortunately, I doubt it. I think we’re just a bit uneasy planning something with 200 people packed into that space this year (which classed as industrial space doesn’t exactly have the best ventilation out there). If we had a crystal ball on where infection rates will go over the next 8 weeks, it’d be easier.
That said, we are considering maybe some sort of Christmas run or such outdoors, depending on how things go over the next 2-3 weeks.
But we are eager to perhaps get things back to normal in the spring for sure!
Good mix of point challenges to Apple & Garmin territory. Not every one values high endurance batteries but structuring my day to arrange a recharge is inconvenient at times.
The race for the perfect UX symbology for good health has yet another contender.
Are there any folks out there checking the security on these devices?
Realistically, there’s nothing to check. Nothing one can check meaningfully. Sure, there could be data security issues at the watch level, but realistically in 2021, if you’re referring to fitness and other data – it’s more than likely at the cloud provider level.
The data goes to Huawei’s cloud platform, and you can decide (as with any other provider), whether or not you trust that platform.
At the watch level, undoubtedly folks have looked at the traffic/data being sent to Huawei’s platform over the years, mostly from the phone side – and typically those conclusions are that it sends a ton of data back to their platform. Just like apps from Google, Facebook, and others do.
Minor technical point, but since this is a “tech” site, might as well keep it real. Lenses (Fresnel and otherwise) direct, aim, and even concentrate light, but don’t amplify light.
Thanks – good catch. Concentrate is what I was looking for.
It looks like a great device.
But the inability to properly export data and moral reasons around supporting a Chinese company mean I just can’t consider this.
i’m not interested about dual-frequency tech. it means huawei will use airoha chipset (or you can say MTK) that is bit of… you know i didn’t trust mtk chipset, they never rise above SiRF Star. i miss v800 so bad.
dual-frequency may fix gps issue in urban area, but it’s not the time. no matter the chipeset or their firmware have no been its best yet.
the real exciting thing is huawei decide to do their own algorithms. they released TruSport 1.0 at Q1 this year. it may not be good enough, but i never doubt about their scientific research capabilities. Polar CN told me huawei made large purchase of Polar H10, and established top sport laboratory.
huawei watch may not be Tier 1 watch, but TruSport will be T1 algorithm.
I totally agree with your comments that Huawei is a huge brand globally, but not a huge brand in endurance sports. People who loves running and outdoor activities say that either Huawei Watch GT2 series or Huawei Watch 3 don’t perform good at GPS, at least as good as Garmin. With the new release of optical HR sensor and dual GNSS, things could be better.
The only thing missing is that Garmin will also charge money for gcm, gc, bc, express etc. in the future. Come on Garmin (j/k), many competitors are already doing that.
This looks like a really interesting watch to me, the only downside is that huawei still doesn’t allow the pairing with a external heartrate monitor. Just no optical heartrate monitor seems to work for me and I don’t belief their updated one will.
The uploading to strava has been fixed by the Health sync app (second party app). For my wife’s gt2 pro watch it works flawless to upload to strava.
Does anyone know:
1. Gps battery life in one go or an estimate
2. Charge on the go
3. Support for external heart rate belt
4. Scheduled training
1. 10h w/aod
2. yes, but charge pod height about 10mm
3. bt maybe, yet not tested
4. yes, plans predefined by Huawei. Or classic goals like distance, time, etc.
I expected way nore than 10h battery life but thanks anyway.
Hr belt is now supported
I think that Huawei it getting more serious with its outdoor sports oriented smart watches. They have just released Huawei GT Runner. I would be very interested in exploring it as a possible next buy because at least on paper it has a lot of metrics and analysis that Garmin and Coros watches have in arguably nicer package with better (and touch) screen, better materials and lower price. Of course there is lot to do on a whole ecosystem, but they seem to be serious about developing it.
I’m sure there is lot of us who would welcome a review of this Huawei GT Runner.
any chance of a youtube video ?
That would be nice, or maybe video with comparison with Huawei GT Runner features.
According to some yt-reviews GPS-accuracy seems to be mediocre up to now. Do you have any idea which GPS mult band it has. Maybe the MediaTek/Airoha chipset (AG3335M) like Garmin and Coros?
I’ll ask on the next volley.
Thanks DCR. Could’t find any information via google.
It is said that the GT3 could be connected to an external HR-strap. Is that correct? Can’t find much about this fact on the web.
Hi Lawrence, I have GT Runner since yesterday. This one can be connected via Bluetooth to my Polar OH10 and Verity Sense. As the Runner hardware wise is similar to the GT3 it should also can do this imho.
How do you find its GPS accuracy ? – I find it awful bad…. or I am doing something wrong, but the GT Runner cuts corners and shows my tracks going through roundabouts and buildings. Never had such a bad GPS tracking on any sportswatch I owned…
Hi Chris, I only had one run in open streets and forest with GT Runner. Weather conditions were good. GPS fix was perfect within a few seconds. Generally it was OK. But I can confirm that it seems to cut corners. In my case only two times a lot. And two times I should have crossed a very little river, which wasn’t the case. But GPS accuracy overall wasn’t really bad. Maybe like my Fenix 6XPro was.
But like DCR said it lasts up tone year or more until a new chip is working well. And I’m quite sure that Huawei is already working on the improvement of the software with effort. Because to me it does not make sense implementing a new dual band chip set and an
external antenna and not trying to get the best out of it.
Hi Michael! Thanks – I restarted the watch today and that seemed to fix things mostly… there were some glitches, but not that bad! I think you’re right, that it may take some time and perhaps some firmware updates. I really like the watch – also had a Fenix 6P (and some others) – looks really promising 😀
Today I had a short walkrun in open forest and street of about 4k. I compared GT Runner with Strava on Samsung connected to Polar OH10.
HR was very good. Only one beat difference in average and max. But also GPS was good imho. Visually in maps but also in data. 70 m difference. I think these are good results.
Hi Chris, today I had two walks down town. And both were really bad. After the first walk I did a reset but it didn’t get better. I think Huawei still has a lot of work to do to get GPS accuracy right.
The HR tracking shown in the new Quantified Scientist posts is impressive. I’m not personally in the market, but it might be meaningful to review and add into the comparison table these products. The new Watch GT Runner would be a very interesting candidate to get the full DC in-depth. (knowing you, you are already on it and two months into your testing)
Main Problem for me was that there’s no (at least iOS) possibility to export your data other than Addidas running but there Huawei strips your HR Data rendering it mostly useless for most users
Hallo everyone1
Is it possible to sync activities made with Huawei to other platforms such as Connect Garmin?
If not automaticaly mayby manually?
Would be hugely appreciated if you would consider reviewing Huawei gear. We’re not all super athletes and the Huawei trackers and watches represent excelent value for money given their feature set. I have used 5 different Huawei models over the last 10 years and loved them all. I do mountain walking and occasional light trail running, but I am a “gearhead” of note which is how I come to be a DC Rainmaker fan!