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All this stuff is really cool, but the sad fact is that where I live (in Pennsylvania) once I ride 5 miles out of town I more often as not have no cell phone reception, despite there being plenty of people living out there. On a long ride (say, 40 miles or more), I would guess I have cell reception maybe 30% of the time, being generous.
None of this is the fault of Specialized of course. I’m just moaning.
A good example of where something like the Garmin inReach could be really powerful with complete failover live tracking between cellular services (cheap/effectively free), and satellite services (rather expensive). Right now you basically start inReach as a standalone thing. There’s no meaingful tie-in at the activity level (though, there is at least a new widget for it, so that’s cool).
Someday, I hope it’s just connectivity agnostic, simply using whatever channel is active and chepeast first.
Try riding in the National Radio Quiet Zone (large around the radio telescope in West Virginia). You can’t walk that close to the telescope unless you leave all your personal electronics behind and they only use diesel vehicles on the telescope campus because even spark plugs would mess with the telescope. I got in a nice solo ride through there this past summer. There was a little piece around Marlinton with cell service and that was about it for the whole day. I had a printed map/route plan and saved the area in Google offline maps link to strava.com
Nice looking loop. No shoulders, but I assume it’s low traffic?
What were the out and back legs about?
As far as the tech goes, it seems the device or app should cache your live tracking/incident detection data and upload any gaps whenever a cellular connection resumes.
Sure you could crash and die out in the middle of nowhere, but when your remains are found in the Spring after the snow melts they’ll at least have the data(!!!). Your last ride will get properly synched on Strava. :) Strava could even add a new feature — Obits of Data aka My Last Ride.
The spurs on my route were mostly accidental wrong turns. traffic was similar to a lot of rural roads, mostly lower traffic volume. I rode in the lane instead of the shoulder and cars drove around me without a problem.
Ray, while I completely agree with you, this is a classic case of “want creep”, where a feature whose mere existence would have blown us away 10 years ago, now elicits a “this is nice, but you know what would *really* be great?? If it could also…” ?
True. But, I think it’s also proper integration. Garmin bought Delorme for their satellite tech. With the rise of gravel bikes globally, it’s such a natural integration – both from a tech standpoint, but also from Garmin’s upsell standpoint.
Phone at start of ride 100%…phone after 2hrs…5%, 4hr ride…dead! So if we go on a 4hr ride we should hope to crash in the first 2hrs? Coz anything after that with a phone being connected to everything under the sun nowadays you dont get much battery life.
Why does the ANGI have to be connected to the phone? Why can it not be connect to the cycling computer and only in the case of an incident then talk to the device and it to your phone etc
What phone is this? I have my phone sending live tracking info from wahoo etc. and can easily go on 5+ hour rides without running out of battery. I have a Pixel 4XL but am pretty confident that any recent iPhone should be able to do the same.
Not my experience at all. I’ve ridden 100+ mile rides using my mobile to track my GPS (before I got a bike computer), and still ended up with 40-50% battery at the end. As long as the screen was off.
To be honest my comment was a little exaggerated but I will say this…
iPhone XS, battery health on 90%, all app locations set to never (so no gps running on phone at all). I do pair my phone to my Edge 830 (so messages can come through but hardly do)
On a 2.5hr ride starting phone on 100% I will get home on 25% ??♂️
How’s the cell service in your area? Phones will up their power in an attempt to stay connected. Whenever I ride in the local mountains with no cell service, my phone (nowadays an iPhone 11 Pro) always takes a hit on battery life.
Ray
Will Garmin do the same for their Edge units? Or is this exclusively a Specialized/Wahoo thing only?
Exclusively a Wahoo/Specialized thing at this point. Certainly they could do some form of hook-up with Garmin, which I think would actually bring a fair bit of value in the form of a Connect IQ app/widget on the Edge series.
Ray,
So does this mean you need to allow the Specialized app to always be able to use your location? If so, that is really poor from a privacy standpoint.
Correct. But honestly, that’s kinda the point of this app: To tell people your location so when you crash they can come and find you. Without that, the value of it is pretty limited.
I get during the ride, but wouldn’t really want specialized to get my location 24×7. Hence the question.
Your phones permissions for the location settings for the app allow you to select all the time or only when using the app,
As an Angi/Wahoo user I was quite interested in seeing this but in reality it’s a bit underwhelming. It won’t really improve my “work flow”, in fact the only real benefit is being able to cancel the alert from the Roam rather than digging my phone out.
Agree mostly. Though I think the warning message as well that you forgot to start/run the Specialized App is actually valuable.
If you just allow the Ride app to background (don’t force close) then you don’t need to touch your phone for any reason, when you turn on your ELEMNT and start your workout, the Ride app will automatically start tracking.
I’ve not heard of the Angi before but it sounds like a perfect product for me. I was diagnosed with epilepsy last September and have been unable to drive or ride my bike since then. I’m hoping the Dr. gives me the all clear in March (now that I’m on medication) and hope to get back on the bike shortly thereafter. I know my wife would love the peace of mind that the Angi provides and I already have a Bolt.
A look through Specialized’s web site shows that the Angi has had less than stellar reviews most of them saying that it doesn’t work as advertised and/or the app keeps dropping. Has anyone else had these issues?
seems like a step in the right direction… the need to start and stop recording on the specialized app means that i just don’t make use of my angi. i have absolutely no interest in recording my ride there when it already goes on strava from my bike computer. also i don’t want to have to pull my phone out in case of a false alarm.
unfortunately i am a garmin user so am stuck with just their crash detection which gives a number of false alarms but at least it is inherently active whenever i ride and can be cancelled without stopping riding or even losing significant focus on what i’m doing.
specialized need to recognize where they can and can’t add value (hint, yet another ride recording app is not it!) and enable garmin integration to get people really valueing angi. would be interesting to see whether garmin would regard that as muscling in on their feature but with CIQ they don’t necessarily need to be involved
just re-read the original angi review from november 2018.
as usual, Ray pointed out the issue right from the start:
“Which in some ways is my only challenge with it. While great for recreational riders, many more experienced riders are going to ride with dedicated bike computers (Garmin/Wahoo/Lezyne/etc…). For that, many of us don’t want yet another app to remember to start and then causing GPS drain on our phones. This seems like precisely the type of thing they could have partnered with Garmin and Wahoo on and captured 99% of the market. For example, Garmin’s Connect IQ platform could have allowed a connection to the sensor, and then leveraged the Garmin itself for GPS. Thus no battery drain on your phone. It’d also have meant that the second you start your ride, the sensor starts working. No extra apps. On the flip side, Garmin’s device to phone app tracking system isn’t exactly known for being the most stable either.”
As one of the early ICE dot users, Angi has had significant improvements (after initial pricing feedback as discussed).
The “fit” on non-Specialized helmets is unfortunately not clean, requiring creative zip ties to avoid locking you to their helmet range.
Good tech that hopefully will continue to develop integration and display on other devices now it has a larger backer than ICE.
Your significant other will sleep better at 4am on Sundays if you use this tech :)
I use industrial velcro on mine so can move it between several helmets. Works perfectly and takes no time at all to swap.
Hi, this is great news indeed! Is the ANGI/Wahoo intergration now compatible with Android devices as well?
Coming soon to Android
Any chance that Specialized creates a cellular Apple Watch version of the app that would use a cellular Apple Watch to send the alert? It would be nice to leave my phone at home.
I guess if you have a Wahoo this is good, but it is on my Edge which worked great when I had a crash, if I brake very hard I do get false alerts on the Edge, but I would rather it be over sensitive rather than miss something…. personally I would prefer Wahoo to build it into their computer like Garmin, this is just another “something” to buy, link together, fail etc. etc. etc.
This has stuffed my Angi completely. The ride app tells me I have to update the firmware, but the process never completes. First time I waited about 50 minutes. I’ve tried a bunch of times, but essentially it won’t let me start a ride until I update and it never completes the update. Specialized are yet to help.
Guys, in a different post here I asked if it’s possible to attach the sensor to a bike because I heard now several times people fell on their head without triggering an alert.
To answer my question, yes, it works, sensitivity similar to Garmin. Which is fine for road cyclists. That’s the good news. But I found the connection to be unstable, even when the Ride app and wahoo show that Angi is connected: sometimes, this is simply not true. The LED may blink, wating for connection. I also had a case it was connect, but showed “0” in test mode. Reconnecting helped in this case.
I’m in touch with Specialized with more details and hope they’re gonna fix it. Because overall, the hardware is really good and adds just the extra safety I’d like to have as a former Garmin customer who is simply used to “crash alert”.
Does someone also tried this product for mountain biking?
I wonter how fit this product is for off-road applications. More specifically for all the gravity oriented sports.
Is this Angi sensor able to distinguish DH or enduro “downhill sided” runs, and all the associated g-forces from those runs, from real impacts? Or will it interfere with your ride, asking you if you’re all right, triggered by every jump, root, turn and so on?
Hi,
I need to remove angi integration from my wahoo bolt. Is it possible? Under sensors on wahoo bolt it won’t offer the option to remove ride app.
Help :)
Hello. I recently did the crash test. Ouch, yes, it works (unfortunately) very well
Interested to know if people are using this, and how they find it? I have the Boltv2. The set up was fine, but unless i open the specialized ride app to see both the unit and the angi are connected and then press start on the bolt within 30-60 seconds it doesn’t connect. There’s also the delay between the bolt being ready and it being connected to the elemnt app (and hence specialized app). So you have to really get the timing right. it rarely works if i just switch on the bolt, shake the helmet and press start a few minute later. Happy to receive some tips, please !!
Thanks
Just wondering if people are still using this feature successfully? If i can get Angi to connect when i start the wahoo, it seems to be fine, but i have a less than 50% chance of achieving this. If i have my wahoo app and ride app running in the background on my (iOS) phone, leave my phone alone and just wake the sensor and press start on the head unit, it never works. If i open the apps, see everything connected, pocket the phone and start the unit more than 3 minutes later, it rarely works. I’ve been pressing start on the wahoo when seeing everything connected on the phone apps, which increases my chances to 70%. Only this morning i saw both the wahoo and angi on my specialized ride app, pressed start on the wahoo, only to see “Angi not connected” on the wahoo. I’ve previously contacted wahoo and specialized and, predictably, they blame each other. Is there a trick i’m missing? I’m about to do a factory reset of the wahoo and revert to just using the ride app.
Is anyone using this successfully ? I find it difficult to connect even if i open the apps straight after turning the wahoo on and waking the angi (and see confirmation in the ride app that both are connected). If i leave the phone in my pocket (apps in background) it never works. Im considering removing the link and just using the specialized ride app solo.
Apologies for double post, mt browser was hanging and i thought it had been lost.