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Hi Ray,
two questions:
1) why you mark Recon Jet is RIP?
2) Can we also expect reviews of Everysight Raptor and Oakley Pace?
1) Recon was shutdown back in August. It was/is owned by Intel, and they shutdown basically the entire wearables division (which at one point numbered 800 people and had a variety of Intel owned brands such as Recon and Basis, as well as externally supported brands like the New Balance watch).
2A) Everysight: Once they actually ship to consumers. I’m hearing mixed things, it’s always ‘just a few months away’. That said, a long while ago I actually rode with the product and generally liked it.
2B) Oakley: Same story as Recon. That division is now gone within Intel (which ran the project), as such, so is the product.
Interesting… Like you I don’t think that this unit is the solution but it is a step along the path to what will be a success.
A few typos:
something that can’t necessarily be said by a lot crowd funded sports tech
The plan will up to 10 riders to communicate live with each other.
And all that ignores the hassle of charging yet more more thing.
Thanks, tweaked!
Sorry for the (not quite)offtopic, but it seems, there are strange things going on at Intel.
No wonder, they’ve been criticized on high levels… link to lkml.org
Linus is a bright dude but he has a short fuse and rants without giving much prior thought to what he’s saying.
I wouldn’t take a random Linus Torvalds rant about an esoteric microarchitectural detail as a meaningful indictment against a $200B company. That would be like taking a DCR rant about the update frequency of a heart-rate field on a Garmin 520 as an indictment of Garmin as a whole.
That said, I completely agree that Intel’s history with wearables is very unfortunate. As a cyclist I’ve more than once been excited by a product, only to see Intel shut it down. This is of course a pattern with many large companies. Throw cash at a hole in their product portfolio, then realize that the TAM for that product is minimal relative to their cash cow. Google’s done it, Intel’s done it, Apple’s done it, Microsoft has done it.
Although Linus does like to rant, this is not an esoteric micro architectural detail. This is about the Meltdown/Spectre patches from Intel, their effect on performance and what they reveal about how this issue is being dealt with in future CPUs. This is actually, a pretty big deal that is under-reported because everyone thinks it is about “esoteric micro architectural details”. (I have no idea whether his rant is warranted, however.)
The arm seems to create a rather large blind spot unless the display is further out to the corner of your eye?
No word on runtime, which makes it almost by definition irrelevant for The Great Timesink Of Endurance Sports, cycling. I don’t think that many cyclists would want to spend a lot of money on gear that would not make it through their most epic ride.
To make it interesting for cycling you would have to bite the bullet and wire it to a beefy battery pack in the jersey pocket, absolutely no point trying to squeeze out some more minutes using today’s technology (and 2030’s won’t be that much better), just keep a tiny battery/cap for battery swaps or short connection issues. Bonus points for generating additional revenue from branded batteries in different sizes and leveraging that “body area grid”, once established, for lights and the like.
Once power delivery is generously solved, you would be free to add GPS, maps and everything else that is missing to make it a full, self contained bike computer and you are done. The smartphone connection would only be required for connectivity and configuration/setup/route creation, just like on an elemnt/bolt.
Some other thing cyclists would absolutely want:
Clear lenses, because riding tinted in foul weather or even at night is just stupid, an expensive piece of electronics should not entice you to do stupid things. In fact I see little excuse for not going fully electrochromatic (like Uvex variotronic) in smartglasses.
Some form of ventilation control, because few riders finish a Pyrenees climb in summer with their glasses still on. I have no idea how this would be solved, maybe this is what will eternally condemn cycling HMD to be nothing more than a gimmick add-on.
I was looking skeptically to this very niche a few months ago, when the opportunity arose to buy a like new Recon Jet for peanuts ( not Ray’s, of course!) and I jumped on it. A few workouts later ( running and cycling), I do believe it was the best solution:
– Interchangeable lenses ( but no photochromatic version)
– Good adaptability to different morfology of faces and sights ( I have presbioby, and I can read the figures quite well)
– Great sensor connectivity
– It’s a completely autonomous system ( except for metrics sensors – HR, cadence, power), so if you are accostumed to riding /running with a tracker, be it a phone or a fitness watch, you have basically a backup device at your disposal.
The Recon hasn’t got a great battery life, but I found out that (given that the recharge port is on the back of the CPU pod, near the ear) I can wire it to a powerbank in my jersey’s back pocket, with a MicroUSB cable running under my jacket, and it works very well.
I’m talking road biking, of course: I do believe that in a mountain bike scenario, I would not deem acceptable the slight field-of-view obscuring caused by the display, right near your front wheel. But in MTB, I seldom feel the need to be so up-to-date with my metrics: I can bear to look on my handlebar to a cycling computer.
So yes, I felt a real shame that this very mature product fell under the axe of corporate cost-cutting.
I mean that a somehow autonomous system, with GPS, BTLe, ANT and maybe some audio capabilities ( that the Recon lacks) for me is the best solution.
Only gripe I have to report about the Recon is the platform: the Engage portal is still up and running, but I don’t know what will be of my glasses once the plug will be pulled also on this, since the system (AFAIK) relies on the portal for everything, from copying maps on the device to cleaning it’s memory from past workouts data, so freeing up space for the days to come.
Reminds me that I also bought a Recon Jet on sale. I can’t say that I am thrilled with it – I only found it barely usable on a road bicycle and even then, I found the display to be too much on the side to comfortably focus on it while cycling and still too much in the way to have a clear view of the road ahead.
I’m not sure what problem it solves better than a bike computer or GPS watch… oh well, it was only 140€ or so ;-)
Should you decide to sell it, just let me know… ;-)
I sent you an email about a possible typo involving the word “Intel”. I realise now that I was wrong.
You refer to the product from Everysight. I see that you refer to them as early as January 2016 but I’m not sure that they have any product available so far although their latest message seems to be that there will be something on sale in April.
Have you got any other information on this? I keep on getting hit by a barrage of marketing emails and the most recent message was that if I didn’t recommend a friend for their product then I would be put on their purchase list!
I told them that I was fed up and to go and do one. They responded that I shouldn’t worry and that I will be kept on the list anyway.
Is this a real product or some kind of VapourWear?
“… wouldn’t be put ..”
It’s very much real, at least in terms of functional product. The question is a shipping product. I ultimately didn’t write about it because we disagreed on what I could write. They flew to Paris, I did a demo ride, and took a pile of photos (respecting one specific area they didn’t want photographed). Then afterwards they basically said I couldn’t use any photos. The the entire post (which they’ve never seen), still sits unpublished on my server – photos and text fully complete.
These days, that post is no doubt obsolete. But it’s also a bit of a clear message to them and others that I don’t play games with changing rules. At the time they can get me a unit in my hands that I can do as I please, I’m more than excited to write about it. Till then though, I’m treating it as vapourware on an extended media demo tour.
Thanks.
Is the Varia HUD dead as well or do you think there will be a v2 of that as well?
I don’t think it’s dead. But I’m not sure on what their longer term thinking is either. I think it’s one of those curiosity projects Garmin does, where it may blossom into something else, or maybe not. They keep expanding support for it in various units though.
I had the Varia HUD and used it all of two times after which it sad in a drawer for a year till I sold it off. Kind of cool, but also kind of awkward. And at times downright distracting.
Think things have a way to go before these types of HUD displays really integrate in a way that are more helpful than just another gadget to have to constantly pay attention to.
Plus started becoming a burden to think of all the devices I had where i had to charge or change batteries before I rode!
Hi Ray, a question and a correction.
The correction, when discussing the speakers, you state that they can be used for “audio queues”, shouldn’t that be “audio cues”?
The question, do you know if Solo or any of the others will work with prescription lens?
Thanks
marc
I’ve only come across the Varia Vision. Which is fine for cycling, but very mixed reviews for running.
I completely agree with the suggestion that this should play with Garmin. The endurance crowd are generally willing to throw down the money to have a bit more convenience, particularly if it comes in a light enough package. I’d like to see a good solution for running though – when I’m tired during a long run or towards the effort of an effort session, and when I’m running on more technical terrain I either can’t be arsed looking at my watch or don’t want to take my eyes off the trail.
I believe HUD glasses are targeting the wrong market. I understanding running and biking are the biggest market but it’s pretty hard to justify another $300-500 investment when a bike computer or a running watch is more than sufficient for the task.
I feel like the target market should be water sport (SUP, Hawaiian OC, Tahitian Va’a, C1, K1, rowing, War Canoe and even sailing), basically, any sport that require both hands to be occupied the entire time. It’s not so easy to look a wrist watch while you are paddling or rowing without disturbing your stroke rhythm. Also boats are usually shared between different people that are part of a club, it’s not so easy to have standard mounting options like you can with a personal bike.
I think im the only person who actually like the Garmin Varia Vision.
it does what I need. to show me whats on the Garmin head unit.
the everysite looks clunky and awkward.
only wish Garmin would open it up to other manufacturers as its locked to the Garmin range at the moment.
Indeed. Sometimes it is a bit tricky to get a reliable position, but not a big deal.
It would be nice if it allowed showing the next 1-2 turns – like Everysight does.
You are definitely not the only person.
I love it and am lost without it.
I have my current readings on the HUD and my totals on the head unit.
I actually like the execution on Varia Vision, for cycling anyway. It doesn’t work well for running (for me).
It’s just that for me for cycling, I haven’t found much of a reason why I specifically care to remember to charge it (meaning, the ROI on that is super low).
If they supported connectIQ fields on the vision (v2), then it’d be hard to pass up. Xert, Best Bike Split, etc… fields would be worth something. The fields most of these show don’t really help too much.
Big plus for Garmin is the ability to use it with prescription sunglasses. I have two sets of riding sunglasses, so I can swap the Garmin back and forth between the two.
That said, the built-in speakers on the Solos would be sweet.
“Another area that’s new here is the ability to pair to an Android Wear 2.0 device to utilize that for GPS data, using the SOLOS app on Android Wear.”
What is the logic for not just building GPS data into the glasses in the first place?
Typically it’d be battery life savings. Else you end up in a Recon situation with a much larger battery pod.
Enjoyed the article. Question have you seen anything like this for swim goggles?
One option is Iolite (link to dcrainmaker.com), and another is Marlin (link to dcrainmaker.com)
It might be too optimistic to hope for effective miniaturization and waterproofing in future to get a HUD (or rather not needing to look up with your head out of the water) video display on your goggles; but if it could be achieved, you could get a forward-looking video camera mounted on the back of your head, and this would solve the sighting problem in Triathlon or other open water between pylon events. Just keep your head down between breaths, and if you have a reasonably steady head you can see where you’re heading.
Hi Ray,
In terms of a pair of sunglasses replacing a head unit, I think there are other issues that would also need to be overcome for example using them at night / low light, steaming up on long hot climbs etc. I know there are solutions to all of these things (interchangeable lenses for example) but I cannot recall a company in this space really talking about these kinds of things.
DCR Advanced Sports Tech Photography certification?!?!?
Is that offered at Trump University?
:)
I really like the idea of a HUD but… One thing that I think makes developing this technology difficult is reinventing the wheel as it were. So many of us have multiple devices that can and do record all the data points and more. I’m not keen to buy another one that does it all again. As an early adopter you already pay a premium but buying all those features along with that is off putting from a financial perspective. Plus the more features that get packed into the device the bulkier it gets which also means it needs more power then the battery gets bigger/heavier.
I think maybe something less ambitious might be better specially for gen 1 and 2 devices. How about good glasses (as we also buy lots of sunglasses for our sports) that do the HUD but is just an extension of the data points sent from one of our many devices. Then the unit can be smaller, lighter and cheaper. As more mature generations appear they could add features as the other features technology advance as a result of the other fields (like the battery).
Side note the addition of speakers seems kind of old tech wise. I would have thought bone inducting speakers would have made more sense now that they’re appearing in a few different glasses and helmets?
This is a non starter for me. I get what they’re doing, and why they’re doing it that way. But I wear glasses; I’ve tried contact lenses in the past, and they don’t work particularly well for me (mostly because I’m lazy, but there are other issues on race day that make me wary, mostly to do with salt water and what happens if it gets underneath the lens…)
I’m not shelling out $500+ for another pair of glasses that will only see use when I’m cycling and/or running, even if they do make them available with corrective lenses (my prescription is fairly mild, with very little astigmatism, so off the shelf lenses are workable for me.) If they decide to make a kit that will hook onto prescription sunglasses, then I’ll look at it, but as it stands… sorry, guys.
There was an Everysight tour a month or so ago, and I got to try it out. I’ve purchased a unit, and am waiting for its delivery (last update was I should see it next month). Also has audio cues… and video recording.
link to dropbox.com
So, definitely NOT vapor. But I’m awaiting its first shipments!
Ray, another great article!
I got invited to order the Everysight Raptor this morning, which I did, and they mentioned an April 30 expected delivery date. Hope they keep it!
The Garmin Varia is what an endurance athlete needs at a $300.00 price. $500.00 is too expensive for just a display that doesn’t even have a GPS.
Since we have our Garmin device with us already I would like to see the stats without looking down especially when I’m going through a technical section of gravel roads or 50 mph down a road on my road bike.
I believe the next evolution for Garmin is to come out with the entire sunglasses instead of just an add on. Keep the functionality the same, second screen to our GPS, in order to keep the price manageable. I don’t need to take and make phone calls while I am exercising. Maybe Audio Cues from the 820 or 1030 to tell me turn.
This product is out now on CleverTraining – Try before you buy.
Is Solos HUD dead? I have just received an e-mail from them regarding their new website. It seems to be only related to audio and posture feedback. Honestly, I have never been a big fan of HUD and I wonder if the technology of HUD in running/cycling is completely dead.
Yeah, I haven’t heard from them in years at this point.
Hi Ray,
Any new HUD tech out there since 2018 that’s worthy of looking at? I notice ActiveLook we’re pushing their new NexT platform at the end of 2021