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Jsut wondering, if you’r already working on the Garmin 930 hands-on?
I would love to see a answer to this but I doubt we’ll see one…
Hey Ray!
Sorry about your train ride! Also, you’re making me second guess my near future purchase of a NAS.
I was thinking of getting that same version of WD NAS over a Synology DS216J (both being 2-bay).
I was under the impression that both were similarly featured, and the WD was more “user friendly”. So now I’ll have to do more research before making a purchase.
Bummer about the aerofly … maybe the can fix those things?
Having long had the WD (and a previous edition before it), I’d agree that the WD is pretty user friendly.
But I’m really impressed with the Snology at this point. It’s just working so well, and the more I use it, the more features I’m finding within it (be it 3rd party apps/plugins), or just native features. I’m really tempted to pickup the DS216J now and basically create a sync’d copy over the network to the studio for the day to day folders I use. Effectively a geo-cluster, except more of a file replica. Super cool stuff.
Arofly could absolutely do everything I noted above in software…today. I’ve given that feedback to them privately, but hopefully a few others can re-enforce that here (or tell me I’m off my rocker). I just don’t see what market (who buys?) there is for a consumer power meter that requires a phone on your handlebars and more importantly where you can’t send the data anywhere else. I’d wager that 98.3% of people who want/know what a power meter is, have Strava or something like it.
The Synology NAS definitely looks intriguing. I’m still using WHS 2011 to nightly back up all my machines, except it doesn’t like my newer machines with the newer disk configurations. Not to mention the 2TB limit. Such a bummer MS didn’t continue it. Quickly glancing through the DS416 and the DSM software, looks like this could be the perfect replacement for whole machine nightly backup’s. Being able to get access to old versions of files is my main interest as One Drive gives me great current version backup. Any experience with nightly backups, how long it keeps them, etc?
Hi Ray, from what I’ve gathered from their web site, they need the phone to provide information about climbing. So, their app collects data from the thingy the phone sensors and combine it to derive power. Unless the phone can rebroadcast an ANT+ signal they cannot share the information live, but they could upload it or make it available afterwards. Or they could “send it back” to their thingy and rebroadcast… but I guess it’s not easy.
RE: Sync with OneDrive/Dropbox
I’ve setup Sync with Dropbox already – and it pulled down my 300GB of Dropbox files to it super quick – sometime overnight. Helps that I have quick interwebs. ;) I’ll be setting up OneDrive sync tonight, given I’ve got about 100GB of stuff there too.
RE: Nightly backups yet
I haven’t played a ton with that feature yet. Right now I’ve got it setup to backup my laptop continuously, though it’s taken a while. It still has 260,000 files to go. No worries, it’ll get there. As for backing up the unit itself, I plan to sync it with Amazon Glacier once I’ve got everything all sync’d. I’ve got a bit of general re-organization I want to do first, so I figure I’ll spend half a day or so to do that, and then sync. Just to minimize upload times.
RE: Arofly
True, I think my complaints fall into two categories:
Category A:
– Unable to put app into background (almost all apps these days support this)
– Unable to export data in any way
Category B:
– Unable to broadcast directly from unit to BLE app/device of my choice
– Unable to use it with ANT+
I (in the general me as a reviewer sense) can live with Category B being left off, if the price is right (sub-$100) and it’s accurate. But Category A being left off is a non-starter for I think just about everyone.
I’ve been using a DS21xj for a few years now – rock solid, and the software is very stable. As for being user friendly – the GUI’s pretty nice and most of the daily stuff is really easy to do + there’s a set of apps to do things like video playback, photo browsing etc.
You can also set it up to backup to a 3rd party (like Amazon AWS Glacier), plus there’s a ton of other extensions.
Here to re-enforce that feedback: Data being caught in a proprietary app just doesn’t make sense.
I have been using Synology equipment for several years, and actually have two set up between two homes of mine for back to back mirroring plus using hyper backup as well all over the internet.
It is all really neat, and whether you jump at the four disk versions (which I had two of for a while) or the 5 drive versions, they all come with great hardware and software to boot.
Have set up synologies for friends as well. Everyone loves them. I use them for all my photography, as well as storing important documents, as a music server, etc.
Ray – Re Glacier – You may want to check out the amazon cloud drive – its similar, cheaper, and in my testing just about as fast for both restore and backup (i have about 7TB stored online at the moment)
I am using Arq (per user not per computer) license to backup my windows and mac devices to Amazon Cloud – Arq also supports glacier and just about any other cloud provider you can think of and encrypts offline before uploading to the cloud.
Yeah, I have a few TB up on Amazon Cloud Drive as well. Sorta an experiment I did last year sometime.
I’ll look back at it again. I’d probably prefer that over Glacier, simply because it’s easier to browse from the web if I need something quick. Whereas Glacier is a bit more labor-intensive to get back.
I’ll probably be starting the sync this weekend. Have a bit more shuffling to do tomorrow to reduce dups and such.
Synology is so complete I’d never buy anything else ever again. Even if you’re still in doubt, they have online demos of their DSM operating system (just google Synology DSM Demo) so you can really get a feel on how thinks work.
I bought a 2nd hand DS213 a couple of years ago and it serves me very well. As a Plex server, automatic downloader, syncing photos from my phone as soon as I have WiFi (regardless whether that’s home WiFi).
I also have a scheduled backup FROM the Synology to an external drive of the most important stuff (Photos, documents) which runs every night without fail.
Backing up our laptops would also work, but we simply don’t use them ever since smartphones started being decent enough to browse on.
Sure, these are all pretty much the tasks a NAS is designed for, but Synology’s software makes it sooo easy, AND the machine can actually take all this abuse, including running Plex, despite being 2013 hardware.
I have a pair of Synology. I have them about 100 miles apart. Using the Synology cloud apps, I’m able to get one Synology to back its self up to the remote one. I am also able to have the Synology connect to my OneDrive, Dropbox, Amazon cloud drives to sync files.
I also use the Synology as my VPN servers, to get into both my networks, when I need to.
Ray, you should get a second unit for the studio, and set them up to sync with each other. This way, you will always have the files you need, close to where you are.
Yup, exactly – looking at doing just that!
That’s what we do at work. Two synologys (admittedly rack station versions) cloud sync and a large 1TB google drive synced as well for fast transfer.
The other amazing option although requires a little more setup is to install ‘docker’ and use the package crashplan to backup your NAS to a cloud service for like $5 a month. Unlimited storage so we have around 14TB up there. A utter disaster recovery. But two NAS at different locations means you in a good place as it is.
When’s this Fenix5 review coming. Been waiting patiently :)
Fenix 5 review coming up this week (likely later on Thursday).
Other thing I recently sprung for and am loving is a Thunderbay enclosure which has TB2 (or maybe 3) which I threw four 2TB drives into I had lying around from an old unused NAS.
Using software raid 5 on my MAC, allows me with Lightroom to have safe local storage of my precious photo archive.
Then use with time machine for backup to my synology at the home with hyper back up to back up to the synology off site.
A bit overkill I admit, but super paranoid about disk failures or other failures and losing data.
Ray,
Enjoy the NAS. I’ve had one of those for about 2 years now and absolutely love it. The cloud sync tool is great to allow you to backup to Amazon Cloud Drive, Google Drive, etc.
In my little home NAS, I decided to go with drive 1 doing a nightly rsync to drive 2. I figured that was a bit safer than a RAID-1 mirror, as the drives are more “independent”. YMMV.
Given Arofly is only going to estimate power readings ala Powerpod I would not waste much time with it.
Instead and interestingly a new powermeter similar to Stages started to appear on aliexpress, name is XCADEY and can be found starting at 200€ including shipping.
Any volunteer?
And there is also still the guy of the Tempo powermeter who failed to get his project funded, but on Facebook claims that he has the intention to re-launch the campaign. He says he has a good bunch of promising test data, and that would be interesting to be put on Ray’s trial.
Any update on the XCADEY?
No plans for XCadey at this time. Somewhere else I posted about it, but in short their own marketing and related materials show horrible accuracy (the sample files they shared). So given they can’t even cherry-pick half-way decent files, I’d be concerned about what accuracy might look like for the rest.
I believe the XCADEY is the same product being sold on eBay in the US under the RondeSport brand (also found at link to rondesport.com). I do not own one, but emailed them some questions. The price point is attractive. The unit only has ANT+ communication at this time. They are working on an app to connect via BLE for firmware updates. They “may” also try to output data over BLE once they get finished getting the app communicating with the device over bluetooth. This leads me to think it’s pretty half-baked right now. I’m also not sure if it can do a calibration yet. Just not much info out there on it. See Ray’s comments on the data that he reviewed & accuracy.
All things considered, I am waiting to see what happens in the market after Eurobike and Interbike. I am thinking the 4iiii product is worth the additional cost for a known level of accuracy and support. I’m just waiting to see if there are any new price or product announcements from the shows. Then I’m using my CleverTraining points and DCR discount.
Where did u get the saguaro jersey; I want one
A longtime friend gave it to me over a decade ago when I first got into cycling. My first cycling jersey.
Love the jersey! Was one of my first two jerseys. Well constructed.
Have run into two people wearing it just this year in Freiburg, and Ireland. Chased a guy down on my bike a couple years ago in Montreal and got a matching picture!
+1 for Synology NAS
Ray – there may be lots of these out there, but if you live in the apple world Carbon Copy Cloner link to bombich.com is a killer back up and bootable clone app – WAAAYY better than time machine and it has saved my bacon so many times its not funny.
The other thing that is great about a Synology NAS is how easy it is to set up your own cloud and not have the security issue of your data on someone else’s server – use a password with hieroglyphics and a 2-stage authentication protocol like google authy and you can have secure access and add edit or delete from any where there is internet access and no storage limits or ongoing fees.
Just 2 things I have learnt and love – thanks for all the great reviews and wisdom – Andrew
Hello DCR,
I was intrigued by this arofly and briefly checked their app.
It is total scam!
The only sensor they use is a cheap tyre pressure sensor (TPMS), which is polled quite often for attempting to measure the cadence.
All other data is collected from phone (gps for speed and gradient, HR if paired)
And on top of that information they use some guesstimates to approximate power.
You can check the code actually, it is visible in plain text, e.g:
assets\www\js\bleControl.js
So not worth the steep pricetag then. Thanks for the headsup on this
Update #4 – Looks like an old school Cactus Cup jersey you were sporting on your training ride and also during race week in PHX. Specialized and RD looking to make this THE early season MTB event. Already good this year and about to get better.
17:31 on friday evening at Gare cornavin, waiting for my train home. I could have bought you a beer. Next time
Ahh bummer. Indeed, was sitting around then! Actually, we had just returned from our first round of beers. :)
re-route around Paris at speeds I could run faster than.
shitty English Ray!
Arofly proposed “Arofly Device” in March, 2017. The original design was to incorporate with smartphone.
However it was unable to reach the best performance due to limitation to GPS function from smartphone. This had led to some negative reviews for Arofly.
Our team have been spending near half year to improve this disadvantage from smartphone and further develop “Arofly A-Plus.” This has been launched in EuroBike – Germany September, 2017 and in InterBike – USA end of September, 2017
Our team has been working really hard to check and evaluate every single review/advice/criticism before end of August and every criticism is precious for us. We take every review and advice seriously in order for our product improvement.
Therefore please have re-evaluation of our updated product based on our launch in September, 2017.
The following review is from a British user – Mr. Gordon Peel. Review was translated by manufacturer. Due to image right, we have Mr. Gordon’s permission to publish this review and photo. However we are still unsure about which person in the photo was Mr. Gordon Peel.
Below are two images from today’s ride. We complete 80 miles, a hard day as there were a lot of hills.
AROFLY A PLUS METER – Review. In Gordon’s own words. Oct. 24 2017
The first item I fitted was the A-Plus meter which comes with a nice bracket that displays all the data in an easy to read format on the handlebars of the bike. I also attached the A-Pulse to my wrist, this is a heart monitor that sends data to the A-Plus Meter (display), so that you can view your heart rate as you ride. Finally I fitted the tiny Arofly Power Meter to the rear wheel of my bike. I wasn’t sure how it would work but its a clever device that detects the tyre pressure and converts it into watts, in fact if you don’t fit it correctly then the A-Plus Meter displays an on-screen warning that reads “low tyre pressure” a useful little feature.
I tested all three arofly devices over an eighty mile club ride, I especially wanted to see how the A-Plus meter could detect the wattage and cadence. From what I could see there was a definite correlation between the “effort I put in” against the Wattage displayed on the screen (A-Plus Meter). Going up hills I recorded 200/300/400 watts and yet this data seemed to be fairly accurate against the peddle resistance (effort), however, downhills the device recorded a zero as it should. Excellent I thought, but if this device works off tyre pressure then surely it would detect holes in the road? The good news is that it didn’t. Some of the roads we ride on are not too good yet the A-Plus meter didn’t appear to give any incorrect readings when riding over bad road surfaces.
Having arrived back home I uploaded the data into the arofly “cloud”. I was very surprise how effective the Arofly was, it provided a wealth of information about my ride. The gps had mapped my ride as you would expect but it can also be automatically uploaded from the arofly cloud directly into Strava, an essential feature in my opinion. Overall, I was surprised how well the arofly performed, its a great unit and I would imagine especially useful for Time-Trial competitors that wish to monitor data from training rides.
Regards
Gordon Peel
Arofly worked fine for me on the trainer. There is a little plastic o-ring that was displaced causing power not to be displayed. Resetting that fixed the problem. I bought a cheap phone with a huge battery for 50 bucks and I am going to check it out on the road soon.
Would you please post a teardown, with detailed photos, of the Arofly? I’m really interested in the hardware inside and how it’s supposed to work. (Pressure, inertial, etc.)
2019/5/2
Hi all,
The AROFLY team has dedicated several experiments and tests to design the customized Sensors, Hardware and Integration of the exclusive software for the AROFLY system.
AROFLY’S dynamic air pressure system, is totally a” New Invention”. All the technology in hardware, software and algorithms had to be created from Zero. There is no similar technology and system of a power meter in the market to compare or learn from.
By accumulating information from several valuable experiments and tests, the AROFLY team identified the core value for the AROFLY power meter system.
After two full years of hard and dedicated work on more advanced technology, the AROFLY team developed, the ELITE, LINK and XELITE in 2019.
The first AROFLY model was designed in 2017. The AROFLY Sensor, worked in conjunction with a Smart Phone APP, using GPS for altitude and gradient.
The slow response of the required data from the Smart Phone was not good enough for the AROFLY sensor to identify the slope changes, causing late data output, thus confusing the cyclist.
We valued all the positive and negative feedback from the market, we listened to our customers very seriously. This feedback was discussed and has driven the AROFLY team to carry out more research, development and evaluation, to complete a new generation for AROFLY.
The following are the improvements to the New AROFLY generation, ELITE, LINK, and XELITE.
1. The AROFLY team, designed a highly sensitive pressure sensor with a MCU in the AROFLY sensor for the upgraded algorithm and filtering program, to remove interference from road conditions.
2. Designed a highly sensitive altimeter and GPS in the hardware, for quick response on slopes and gradient changes, to correct algorithm mode for data output.
3. Included additional sensors in the system as sensor fusion to collect more raw data of road condition and pedaling status, to assist the algorithm with quick & correct data output.
4. Integrated the system with more functions and riding data on the products
5. The “ LINK” version, now offers a very affordable, Bluetooth & ANT + connectivity to other Bike Computers
6. The “ELITE” & XELITE versions now offers a very affordable bike computer, with all the features and benefits of the more expensive bike computers in the market.
These new improvements will add more accuracy, consistency and flexibility to the operation of the AROFLY new generation, ELITE, LINK and XELITE.
The new product are estimated to launch June/July 2019.
Thank you for your reading.
Team Arofly
Arofly Outdoor:
link to youtube.com
Arofly Indoor:
link to youtube.com
Arofly ELITE OPERATION:
link to youtu.be
Arofly ELITE INSTALLATION: link to youtu.be
AROFLY
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