Heads up! The Garmin Enduro 3 is down to $829, some $70 off. That’s the lowest price to date on this new device. The Enduro 3 is notable though because it’s basically a Fenix 8 Solar minus the dive/voice features (and the Fenix 8 Solar/MIP starts at $1,099). Everything else is there, and it gets all Fenix 8 software features (and, insane battery life). Meanwhile, the Fenix 7 down to $429! Or Epix at $429. There’s a bunch more sports tech deals listed here too!
The Week in Review is a collection of both all the goodness I’ve written during the past week around the internet, as well as a small pile of links I found interesting – generally endurance sports related. I’ve often wondered what to do with all of the coolness that people write, and while I share a lot of it on Twitter and Facebook, this is a better forum for sending it on to y’all. Most times these different streams don’t overlap, so be on the lookout at all these places for good stuff!
So with that, let’s get into the action!
DCRainmaker.com posts in the past week:
Here’s all the goodness that ended up on the main page of DCRainmaker.com this past week.
The fitness companies want you to lose weight. And spend some money. Albeit, less money than you would have had to last week. The non-Garmin ones kicked off today, joining Garmin. Here are all the weight scales
Note that in general for weight scales I recommend you pick whichever one you’re on already from a platform standpoint. Given these prices are all fairly similar, it’s less of a chore to decide. Also, note that normally I wouldn’t recommend the Garmin one (simply because of price) unless you really wanted the additional metrics, but at this price point, it’s probably worth it to not have to deal with the conversion mess of trying to get the Withings and Fitbit data into Garmin Connect.
If you have no loyalties to any of the above brands (meaning, you don’t already have a device from them), then I’d likely get the Withings one given the price point and it has the most connectivity to other platforms than any other brand.
While we’re on the sales front, Garmin has a bunch of other devices on sale, largely activity trackers in various forms:
The lowest price to date for the Enduro 3, whcih is basically the 'cheaper' Garmin Fenix 8 with a MIP/Solar display (but without the scuba or voice calling features). It gets all the Fenix 8 features and updates otherwise.
This is actually the lowest price I think I've got on record for the Garmin Fenix 7. It got virtually all new Fenix 7 Pro features until this past fall, and even this past week is still getting some new features. A very soild deal.
This has been one of Garmin's most popular running watches, and it's down to a very strong price. I often use this in my accuracy testing comparisons when validating other watches, due to it's very strong GPS performance. Note this is the base edition without solar. It'd be hard to find any better deal in sports watches today, from any company (given this has full mapping, tons of new features even this week, etc...). I say '$100ish', because it's usually been on forever sale at $499.
I use this scale, merely for the weight tracking functions (not body fat). It works just fine for that piece, and integrates with the rest of your Garmin data. If you aren't in the Garmin ecosystem, there's plenty of cheaper options.
Not quite as good as the $299 back during the holidays, but this is likely the new-normal sale price. And hey, it's still a very solid camera and my preference for day-time footage (at night, I use the Insta360 Ace Pro 2).
⚡ This has become one of my favorite drones, given it's tiny size (fits in my running shorts pockets) and ease of use. While there's the new Pro-Max drones, those are basically 2x+ the price, and honestly, the video quality isn't really achieving that price point. ***Note: Select the '$100 coupon' checkbox on the site.*** Also, you can select yet another extra battery as an option below that checkbox.
This price has continued to stay low since Black Friday, still a very solid deal for one of the best WearOS watches out there.
Finally, note that Garmin permanently dropped the price of their Fenix3 series this past week (all models) by $50. Though, not substantially. Given CES is nearly upon us (this week!), I don’t think this barely tangible drop is worth it.
YouTube Videos I Published:
Here’s some YouTube goodness that I published this past week:
Stuff that I found interesting around the interwebs:
Here’s a not-so-small smattering of all the random things that I stumbled on while doing my civic duty to find the end of the Internet.
1) Fitbit has dropped its lawsuit against Jawbone: Not that it really mattered much, Jawbone isn’t actually a player in this game anymore. Sure, they could always announce something this week at CES, but given their current financial predicament, I wouldn’t expect the result to be any different.
4) Training log survey: The folks behind the popular (and free) Golden Cheetah are doing a survey to gather feedback on features. Even if you’re not a user today, they’re looking for how you use your training platforms as a way to make their platform more user-friendly (it’s open-source and free, so no commercial interest here from them). One of my main critiques (ok, my only critique) of the platform has been the user-friendly aspect, so hopefully this will help!
5) US State Department Races Around The World: This was actually more interesting than I expected it to be, and more impressive too, both in numbers of participants in various countries and the diversity of countries that put on races. (via friends at State)
6) Bike Tech Hack Night (for DC folks): Cool stuff, it’s a cycling-focused bike related app/data/gadgets hacking night. It’s being hosted by the annual conference put on by the Transportation Research Board of the National Academies. Details in the link. (via Eli).
7) Apple yanks Withings products from Apple Store: Maybe it’s just me, but this seems like a perfectly reasonable response to getting sued. If I owned a store, and someone sued me, I certainly wouldn’t be keeping their products in there. Too bad though, because Withings makes great stuff. That said, I’m not sure this move hurts their wearables sales too much, but probably does impact their weight scale sales. (via Ian)
8) Training Peaks had 40 million uploads in 2016: I thought this stat was randomly interesting, along with knowing it had 25 million in 2015. Will have to dig around and see if other platforms have shared their total upload stats.
Sports Technology Software/Firmware Updates This Week:
Each week I quickly highlight some of the new firmware, app, software and website service updates that I see go out. If you’re a sports technology company and release an update – shoot me a quick note (just one liners are perfect, or Tweet it at me is even better) and I’ll make mention of it here. If I don’t know about it, I won’t be able to post about it. Sound good? Oh – and if you want to get a head start on things, this page is a great resource for watching Garmin firmware updates.
(I’m not aware of any updates that occurred in the past week for hardware. Seems everyone was – rightly – taking some time off!)
Re: Apple pulling Withings products….. can’t imagine that Nokia (Withings owner) is to happy at Apple (allegedly at the mo) stealing its IP. Then again Steve Jobs had quite a bit to say about stealing…..
Yeah, the whole lawsuit thing itself is interesting.
Though, I think that most in the industry would agree that software patents need an overhaul at this point (along with other patent types). Patents are being given for things that they shouldn’t be given for, and effectively being used to make money(hence the name patent troll).
Maybe TrainingPeaks might be telling porky perhaps, they told me they had 400 paid up coaches using there platform…from Australia, after I complained again to deaf ears of there pricing model over here at the moment it cost me $1-37 AUD for 1 USD making TrainingPeaks premium account a ridiculous price to pay after they more than doubled it last year
Well, 400 paid coaches is really only a fraction of the users. If you did simple math and assumed 10 clients per coach (many have far more), than that’s 4,000 paid users right there. Assuming coached clients likely upload more frequently, I’d say 5 workouts per week is reasonable.
So, 4,000*5*52 = 1 Million-ish right there. All of which ignores all the non-coached athletes (or, at least separate system). Still, I think that 400 number is low.
On the flipside, At 40mil a year, that works out to 110K uploads per day (roughly). Hmm, which, does seem like a lot. tThat implies having at least that many active users to make that work, probably 1.5x that in reality. Which, also seems like a heck of a lot of users.
I wonder if they are counting metrics such as weight and HRV that may be posted every day as an upload. The more connected services and apps could account for an increase, as well as a (slightly) increased user base.
I guess that individual file upload figures don’t mean a great deal in isolation and how you are defining users. Since the ability to automatically push files from Garmin Connect and others into TP it’s a no brainer to do it whether you are an ‘active user’ or not. I know that I’ve recommended to a good number of people to do that in case they decide to use TP in the future. Those uploads may never actually get looked at in TP currently
Likewise there are almost certainly a good number of duplicate uploads – I record rides for example on both an Edge and a Fenix 3 both of which end up on TP. You might be very guilty of that too Ray!
All my files still get pushed to TP despite me letting my Premium subscription lapse a few months ago partly down to the API changes and partly cost related, so am not the active user I used to be.
My use case for TrainingPeaks is also exactly as described by JulianM above. A while ago, I let my Premium subscription lapse, but all my activities are still being uploaded to TP via Garmin Connect – “just in case”. So presumably I am still being counted as a TP user in the numbers, even though I don’t actually make use of it.
So, as pointed out, how you define “user” is pretty important. What you really want to know is how many active users, or more importantly how many paying customers. As someone who regularly invests in early stage companies, I usually make an effort to dig as deeply into numbers as I can.
Ray, when can we expect new product announcements from you? Wednesday?
Also, do you think this will be a down year or bigger year in term of fitness products at CES?
CES officially kicks off on Thursday morning. But you’ll see most major fitness brands announcing on a blend of Wednesday and Thursday morning.
There’s press events starting Tuesday however, so some things from some brands will hit then, likely later in the evening closer to the first of the major semi-public press events that start then. I’ll have stuff trickling out starting Monday, but reaching full blast by Wednesday & Thursday morning.
I think the year will be about average, but with more noise. Meaning, you’ll see the big announcements you expect from the big companies, but will see lots of smaller announcements from smaller companies that you’ll have to sift through more than in the past. Take heart-rate stuff, I’ve got a folder full of companies pitching HR related products at CES this year, lots of HRV/RR type stuff too. Some of it is valid, and some of it is junk/unsupported. My job is to try and do that sifting.
Is the scale table outdated or does the Withings 50 still not support water percent, bone mass and muscle mass? Looking at the descriptions on Clever Training these metrics are supported but I tend to believe the information on this site so was not sure if I was missing something.
No, the older WS-50 doesn’t. My bet is that link is being redirected though on CT to the newer variant, since I think the WS-50 is no longer being made.
I’ve read your original review on both the Garmin and the 2 Withings scales and am still kind of undecided. I have a 630 but the only thing I need weight for in Connect is for the calorie burn and who knows how accurate that is anyway. I think I’d be fine with the Withings app and updating my weight occasionally on the watch or in Connect, I do use MFP but not consistently. Now that the Body Cardio has dropped to $86 I’m seriously thinking about getting that one instead of the Garmin. My main issue is that my bathroom is pretty small so my old Tanita scale sits under the bureau and I pull it out and put in the bathroom when I check my weight and then put it back. Being able to use one on the carpet would be much more convenient and it would get used more often. From the reviews of the Garmin it seems the Withings is much better at more than $40 cheaper. Is the reason for staying with one platform just to avoid having to use more than 1 app?
I’m with you – I have a Garmin watch, but I don’t mind to use two apps for recording activities and monitoring body composition. I don’t think I would even use a 3rd app to sync weight data to Garmin Connect; it just doesn’t matter to me at all. Working on carpet is the #1 reason I chose the Body Cardio over Garmin. With the huge price drop down to $87, I just had to click on the checkout button. Looking forward to getting the new toy!
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Re: Apple pulling Withings products….. can’t imagine that Nokia (Withings owner) is to happy at Apple (allegedly at the mo) stealing its IP. Then again Steve Jobs had quite a bit to say about stealing…..
Yeah, the whole lawsuit thing itself is interesting.
Though, I think that most in the industry would agree that software patents need an overhaul at this point (along with other patent types). Patents are being given for things that they shouldn’t be given for, and effectively being used to make money(hence the name patent troll).
Maybe TrainingPeaks might be telling porky perhaps, they told me they had 400 paid up coaches using there platform…from Australia, after I complained again to deaf ears of there pricing model over here at the moment it cost me $1-37 AUD for 1 USD making TrainingPeaks premium account a ridiculous price to pay after they more than doubled it last year
Well, 400 paid coaches is really only a fraction of the users. If you did simple math and assumed 10 clients per coach (many have far more), than that’s 4,000 paid users right there. Assuming coached clients likely upload more frequently, I’d say 5 workouts per week is reasonable.
So, 4,000*5*52 = 1 Million-ish right there. All of which ignores all the non-coached athletes (or, at least separate system). Still, I think that 400 number is low.
On the flipside, At 40mil a year, that works out to 110K uploads per day (roughly). Hmm, which, does seem like a lot. tThat implies having at least that many active users to make that work, probably 1.5x that in reality. Which, also seems like a heck of a lot of users.
No porky here. Just the cold hard results of a SQL statement testifying to the effort of thousands of athletes training hard all over the world.
I wonder if they are counting metrics such as weight and HRV that may be posted every day as an upload. The more connected services and apps could account for an increase, as well as a (slightly) increased user base.
If only Training Peaks / WKO4 could analyse Garmin multisport workouts properly. And deal with HRM-Swim data, too.
I guess that individual file upload figures don’t mean a great deal in isolation and how you are defining users. Since the ability to automatically push files from Garmin Connect and others into TP it’s a no brainer to do it whether you are an ‘active user’ or not. I know that I’ve recommended to a good number of people to do that in case they decide to use TP in the future. Those uploads may never actually get looked at in TP currently
Likewise there are almost certainly a good number of duplicate uploads – I record rides for example on both an Edge and a Fenix 3 both of which end up on TP. You might be very guilty of that too Ray!
All my files still get pushed to TP despite me letting my Premium subscription lapse a few months ago partly down to the API changes and partly cost related, so am not the active user I used to be.
My use case for TrainingPeaks is also exactly as described by JulianM above. A while ago, I let my Premium subscription lapse, but all my activities are still being uploaded to TP via Garmin Connect – “just in case”. So presumably I am still being counted as a TP user in the numbers, even though I don’t actually make use of it.
So, as pointed out, how you define “user” is pretty important. What you really want to know is how many active users, or more importantly how many paying customers. As someone who regularly invests in early stage companies, I usually make an effort to dig as deeply into numbers as I can.
Ray, when can we expect new product announcements from you? Wednesday?
Also, do you think this will be a down year or bigger year in term of fitness products at CES?
CES officially kicks off on Thursday morning. But you’ll see most major fitness brands announcing on a blend of Wednesday and Thursday morning.
There’s press events starting Tuesday however, so some things from some brands will hit then, likely later in the evening closer to the first of the major semi-public press events that start then. I’ll have stuff trickling out starting Monday, but reaching full blast by Wednesday & Thursday morning.
I think the year will be about average, but with more noise. Meaning, you’ll see the big announcements you expect from the big companies, but will see lots of smaller announcements from smaller companies that you’ll have to sift through more than in the past. Take heart-rate stuff, I’ve got a folder full of companies pitching HR related products at CES this year, lots of HRV/RR type stuff too. Some of it is valid, and some of it is junk/unsupported. My job is to try and do that sifting.
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Is the scale table outdated or does the Withings 50 still not support water percent, bone mass and muscle mass? Looking at the descriptions on Clever Training these metrics are supported but I tend to believe the information on this site so was not sure if I was missing something.
No, the older WS-50 doesn’t. My bet is that link is being redirected though on CT to the newer variant, since I think the WS-50 is no longer being made.
For some reason the Withings Body Cardio (black) went down to $86.99 on Amazon. Got one in through your link. Thank you!!
Thanks for posting this. Was able to cancel my Body scale purchase and pick up the Cardio for basically the same price.
I’ve read your original review on both the Garmin and the 2 Withings scales and am still kind of undecided. I have a 630 but the only thing I need weight for in Connect is for the calorie burn and who knows how accurate that is anyway. I think I’d be fine with the Withings app and updating my weight occasionally on the watch or in Connect, I do use MFP but not consistently. Now that the Body Cardio has dropped to $86 I’m seriously thinking about getting that one instead of the Garmin. My main issue is that my bathroom is pretty small so my old Tanita scale sits under the bureau and I pull it out and put in the bathroom when I check my weight and then put it back. Being able to use one on the carpet would be much more convenient and it would get used more often. From the reviews of the Garmin it seems the Withings is much better at more than $40 cheaper. Is the reason for staying with one platform just to avoid having to use more than 1 app?
I’m with you – I have a Garmin watch, but I don’t mind to use two apps for recording activities and monitoring body composition. I don’t think I would even use a 3rd app to sync weight data to Garmin Connect; it just doesn’t matter to me at all. Working on carpet is the #1 reason I chose the Body Cardio over Garmin. With the huge price drop down to $87, I just had to click on the checkout button. Looking forward to getting the new toy!
I did read a review on Amazon that said it didn’t work on carpet so we’ll see
Interesting. I’m on Ray’s side, but yes we’ll see. Even if it doesn’t work on carpet, I think I will still keep it.
I’m sure it depends on how thick the carpet is. I would likely keep it also at that price.
Mine was delivered today. It works on my carpet!! Happy, and good luck!
Mine does too! I just finished setting it up. A difference of .1 from tile to carpet. It was really easy to set up too.
Hi Ray,
Thanks for mentioning the survey. We’ve closed it now, its had a stack load of responses since you posted so thank you so much.
A huge spike in multisport athletes right after you posted this in fact. So thanks to all your readers too.
I will make sure you get early sight of the results, they are /really/ interesting (and quite surprising to say the least).
CHEERS!
Mark